Conquer Club

Apparently it's taboo now to show the Confederacy in a positive light. The question then becomes what's the point of a re-enactment if it carries that sort of value judgement?

If you can tear down the monuments, can you also tear down America's pastime?

Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Whose side would the golliwogs fight on?

As long as the treasonous Confederates are butchered at the end of the battle, I have no issues.

Plus maybe a Confederate Flag burning ceremony after the battle. We can have Owenshooter doing those honors.

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Dukasaur wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Wage slavery isn't a great way to live, any way you look at it.

mrswdk wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Wage slavery isn't a great way to live, any way you look at it.

You must be talking about the peasants in China.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Wage slavery isn't a great way to live, any way you look at it.

You must be talking about the peasants in China.

Well, the solution is to have your wage not be tied to your quality of life.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Wage slavery isn't a great way to live, any way you look at it.

You must be talking about the peasants in China.

Actually, he's talking about the pheasants. They taste sweeter than peasants, and are easier to kill.

Dukasaur wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Surely it's more fun this way? Can turn the re-enactments into a sort of pantomime. Boo as the Confederates come over the hill. Gasp as they appear to take the upper hand. Cheer as they are eviscerated by a Democrat cannon ball!

They'll all be wearing big hook noses and yellow six-sided stars because you can't show the Confederate flag in public anymore.

Actually, you can show the Confederate flag just fine in places where it's contextually appropriate, like (drumroll!) Civil War re-enactments.

The only places you can't are things like public courthouses where they are (and always were) displayed purely for the purpose of trolling the former slaves and reminding them that there's more than one form of slavery.

Wage slavery isn't a great way to live, any way you look at it.

You must be talking about the peasants in China.

Actually, he's talking about the pheasants. They taste sweeter than peasants, and are easier to kill.

Yes the pheasant meat is sweeter, but Chinese peasants are easier to slaughter. Just ask the PLA.

Right now, re-enactors have to apologize when using a flag and write stupid articles like these:
http://fox43.com/2017/07/01/thousands-gather-in-gettysburg-for-annual-civil-war-battle-reenactment/

The threat of Antifa protesters also lingering in the back of some minds. This licensed battlefield guide had a message for anyone against seeing a confederate flag.

"We're just doing history here, just telling people story what happened in this country at the greatest battle in this half of the world. So it'd be kinda hard to do that without flags," said Jim Pangburn, a Licensed Battlefield Guide.

The fact that it is even a news item shows that something is rotten.

Here's a couple more defenses to something that should not need a defense:
http://wxxinews.org/post/civil-war-reenactors-consider-use-confederate-flag
http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/local-civil-war-reenactors-see-concerns-over-confederate-flag-use/article_d06ea1ec-a715-11e7-b3a7-8f21f860cd30.html

And here is someone actually claiming that they shouldn't be used, so this isn't exactly a straw horse:
https://observer-reporter.com/news/regional/lawmaker-objecting-to-confederate-flag-in-war-re-enactments/article_30feb9f1-bd86-5530-9c87-9ae080f60d9d.html

Gettysburg is the first battle that will not show the flag:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/civil-war-re-enactors-defend-confederate-flag-through-controversy/2235764

In Pennsylvania, the Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg hosts a Civil War re-enactment every summer. Seminary spokesman John Spangler said they'll no longer allow any Confederate flag with a hateful connotation, which includes the famous battle flag.

The discussion has been ongoing for a while, he said, especially because the Ku Klux Klan often uses the battle flag. After the Charleston shooting, the choice was clear: The seminary wouldn't allow the flag on its grounds, even in re-enactments. It is now only on display in the seminary museum.

"We got a lot of unhappiness from some re-enactors," he said. "Others have understood very clearly."

Chris Ackerman is manager of the Regimental Quartermaster, which is also in Gettsyburg. The store stocks Civil War relics including Confederate flags.

This is happening. It might blow over and get better or it could get hella worse.

Of course, there is this:
http://www.eveningsun.com/story/news/2017/11/17/activist-burns-confederate-nazi-flags-gettysburg/873943001/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-hancock/dont-fly-confederate-flag_b_3639489.html

Wow. I didn't think you were serious. I stand corrected.

I guess this is what happens when the pendulum has been artificially held in place for too long. When it's finally released, it swings the other way with one hell of a force.

yeah, altering history so as not to upset a few people is just dumb.

riskllama wrote:yeah, altering history so as not to upset a few people is just dumb.

You cannot alter history; time only flows in one direction.

What you can alter is people's perception of history, and this is a process that goes on all the time. Most of it is good: when I was a kid we still believed that knights were good men, pious, charitable, and pure of heart, who took up arms to serve justice, defend the weak, and clear the roads of cutthroats and thieves. Today we know that in fact, knights were mostly brutish thugs who extorted protection money from the weak, often robbed, murdered, and raped the peasantry, and only bothered with hunting cutthroats and thieves when there happened to be a bounty available. Truth is slowly but surely pushing aside the myth.

Other times, some of it is stupid: simply replacing old myths with new. The old myth of the courageous selfless Bolshevik fighting against a cruel and savage Cossack has now been replaced with a romantic new notion of a courageous selfless Cossack fighting against a cruel and savage Bolshevik. That is stupid, but it's the exception rather than the rule. For the most part, I see truth winning out more often than not. Sometimes old myths are replaced with new, but more often a more truthful and balanced reality comes out.

That is much of what is happening in the U.S. today. For 100 years a myth has been fostered, of courageous and selfless Confederate soldiers patriotically defending their homes and the honour of their states, against a cold and heartless Northern war machine, controlled by the bankers of New York and motivated only by profit. The question of slavery has been mostly ignored or pooh-poohed as inconsequential. That myth is bullshit, and it is now being exposed as such. Now comes the tough part: will it be replaced by truth or by alternate myths. There is an alternate myth being promoted, pretty much the flip side of the old one, where all the Northerners are altruistic abolitionists and all the Southerners are slave-whipping sadists. It's not clear whether the new myth will replace the old one in the popular imagination or whether in fact most people will come to know a more balanced and nuanced truth.

What is certain is that the pendulum is swinging, and when that happens there is certainly room for extremist impulses.

riskllama wrote:yeah, altering history so as not to upset a few people is just dumb.

Thank You Kindly
....Now symbols of the Confederacy are not Racist,just because some have chosen to use them....Some people use guns for good or bad,The Battle Flag is no different...It was only made because The Stars and Bars looked to much like ,The Original 13 state...Stars and Stripes on the Battlefield........Now before the Confederacy haters speak....the USA was founded on slavery, they continued to bring slaves to America after the Amer.Rev.WAR....The CSA couldn't even get food and ammo through the UNION blockade,let alone slave ships...So who's flag should be looked on in such "light" of offense???
-------NOW for all those History hating Americans or others around the world,...HEY ,GUESS WHAT...THERE ARE BIG MONEY MAKERS OF REAL SYMBOLS OF SLAVERY,TO GO AFTER IF SLAVERY IS YOUR OFFENSIVE BATTLE.....THE STARS AND STRIPES,....I WONDER WHY EGYPT HAS NOT TORN DOWN THE PYRAMIDS,BUILT BY OVER 400 YEARS OF JEWISH/OTHERS SLAVERY...I WONDER WHY THE CHINESE HAVEN'T TORN DOWN THE GREAT WALL ,BUILT ON A CEMETERY OF SLAVES...OR THE ITALIANS HAVEN'T TORN DOWN ANCIENT SITES OF ANCIENT ROMAN SLAVERY...1ST, THE BIGGEST,THE COLOSSEUM...WAIT ,I KNOW WHY,BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SORRY ASS AMERICANS,WHO LISTEN TO FAKE NEWS,FALL FOR MASS P.C. STUPIDITY...CRY ,PLAY WITH CRAYONS,FOR NO GOOD REASON,FOR IN 2017,THE LAST TIME I CHECKED,ANYONE WHO WANTS TO WORK HARD,HAS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH,THE USA,NO ONE TODAY IS IN CHAINS,WELL OUTSIDE OF PRISON ,not sitting on their asses collecting welfare,bitch when their FREE RIDE is threatened,play racial politics,start blaming history for their laziness........I guess now when they remake Spartacus.....THE SLAVES WIN ...I would say, the Great Wall,but the democratic hollywood already did let the slaves win, the remake...In THE MUMMY,3,DRAGON EMPEROR... ...Who knows?,in the remake of, GONE WITH THE WIND...RHETT BUTLER MIGHT BECOME THE NEXT USA PRESIDENT.... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

lol, settle down there confedss...
i was merely referring to their use in civil war re-enactments and not flying over a state legislature.

ConfederateSS wrote:

riskllama wrote:yeah, altering history so as not to upset a few people is just dumb.

Thank You Kindly
....Now symbols of the Confederacy are not Racist,just because some have chosen to use them....Some people use guns for good or bad,The Battle Flag is no different...It was only made because The Stars and Bars looked to much like ,The Original 13 state...Stars and Stripes on the Battlefield........Now before the Confederacy haters speak....the USA was founded on slavery, they continued to bring slaves to America after the Amer.Rev.WAR....The CSA couldn't even get food and ammo through the UNION blockade,let alone slave ships...So who's flag should be looked on in such "light" of offense???
-------NOW for all those History hating Americans or others around the world,...HEY ,GUESS WHAT...THERE ARE BIG MONEY MAKERS OF REAL SYMBOLS OF SLAVERY,TO GO AFTER IF SLAVERY IS YOUR OFFENSIVE BATTLE.....THE STARS AND STRIPES,....I WONDER WHY EGYPT HAS NOT TORN DOWN THE PYRAMIDS,BUILT BY OVER 400 YEARS OF JEWISH/OTHERS SLAVERY...I WONDER WHY THE CHINESE HAVEN'T TORN DOWN THE GREAT WALL ,BUILT ON A CEMETERY OF SLAVES...OR THE ITALIANS HAVEN'T TORN DOWN ANCIENT SITES OF ANCIENT ROMAN SLAVERY...1ST, THE BIGGEST,THE COLOSSEUM...WAIT ,I KNOW WHY,BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SORRY ASS AMERICANS,WHO LISTEN TO FAKE NEWS,FALL FOR MASS P.C. STUPIDITY...CRY ,PLAY WITH CRAYONS,FOR NO GOOD REASON,FOR IN 2017,THE LAST TIME I CHECKED,ANYONE WHO WANTS TO WORK HARD,HAS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH,THE USA,NO ONE TODAY IS IN CHAINS,WELL OUTSIDE OF PRISON ,not sitting on their asses collecting welfare,bitch when their FREE RIDE is threatened,play racial politics,start blaming history for their laziness........I guess now when they remake Spartacus.....THE SLAVES WIN ...I would say, the Great Wall,but the democratic hollywood already did let the slaves win, the remake...In THE MUMMY,3,DRAGON EMPEROR... ...Who knows?,in the remake of, GONE WITH THE WIND...RHETT BUTLER MIGHT BECOME THE NEXT USA PRESIDENT.... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Treasonous! Just like your Putin dik sucker Trump!

----My favorite P.C. protest, about the Battle Flag is....Wait for it........At the college where Robert E. LEE is buried in a chapel on the campus of Washington/Lee University...It has The Battle Flag hanging inside...Now, it all of a sudden offends students,they want it removed......O.K.,1)They chose to take a free scholarship to attend...Lee's college...2)Why did they take the free ride in the 1st place,or others who went paying themselves,if Confederate symbols and history are so offensive to them...3)That's why all these offended people are full of shit!!!!!!! ....
----------WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!....WHAT WILL BE,OR WHO WILL BE ATTACKED NEXT??????....FOR THOSE WHO ARE DOING THE ATTACKING...BE CAREFUL P.C.ers...YOU COULD BE NEXT,WITHOUT KNOWING IT, UNTIL IT'S TO LATE!!!!! .... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

We should dig up the body of Robert E Lee and throw his treasonous body in a landfill.

-------Thank GOD....D.J. TRUMP is PRES. as he fights P.C. stupidity. For, I hate to break it to all the history haters...THE FACT IS Robert E. Lee was America's greatest soldier....YES AMERICA'S...HE WAS AN AMERICAN....PERIOD!!!!....As people try and ban and remove stuff...In a 100 years from now...MLKjr statues might be removed, his day taken away from being a national holiday....Because once you start removing things from history...The road gets easier and easier, as the country changes, and changes....In 2120 the Mexicans, The Native Americans,even The Chinese or Russians might be running things in America,like Commie Pinko Bernie wants,who's the traitor ......I'm telling you...stop the witch hunts now...while there is still time...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Haven't I been reading from confederate flag supporters how the "confederate" flag wasn't the battle flag anyhow? Not my area of expertise, but I do remember that being thrown out there.

ConfederateSS wrote:-------Thank GOD....D.J. TRUMP is PRES. as he fights P.C. stupidity. For, I hate to break it to all the history haters...THE FACT IS Robert E. Lee was America's greatest soldier....YES AMERICA'S...HE WAS AN AMERICAN....PERIOD!!!!....As people try and ban and remove stuff...In a 100 years from now...MLKjr statues might be removed, his day taken away from being a national holiday....Because once you start removing things from history...The road gets easier and easier, as the country changes, and changes....In 2120 the Mexicans, The Native Americans,even The Chinese or Russians might be running things in America,like Commie Pinko Bernie wants,who's the traitor ......I'm telling you...stop the witch hunts now...while there is still time...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

really? i thought it was chris kyle...
seriously tho, the greatest 'murican soldier has got to be Smedley Butler, confedss. now there's a goddamn hero...

Here's a video I like about Historiography. It's about the Cold War, but it's easy to see the same pattern in other cases, as Dukasaur brought up.



It's worth the 13 minutes.

riskllama wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:-------Thank GOD....D.J. TRUMP is PRES. as he fights P.C. stupidity. For, I hate to break it to all the history haters...THE FACT IS Robert E. Lee was America's greatest soldier....YES AMERICA'S...HE WAS AN AMERICAN....PERIOD!!!!....As people try and ban and remove stuff...In a 100 years from now...MLKjr statues might be removed, his day taken away from being a national holiday....Because once you start removing things from history...The road gets easier and easier, as the country changes, and changes....In 2120 the Mexicans, The Native Americans,even The Chinese or Russians might be running things in America,like Commie Pinko Bernie wants,who's the traitor ......I'm telling you...stop the witch hunts now...while there is still time...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

really? i thought it was chris kyle...
seriously tho, the greatest 'murican soldier has got to be Smedley Butler, confedss. now there's a goddamn hero...

------Not only his bloodline is tied to The Ist Pres, Good Old George,as his right hand man was Light Horse H.Lee in the Amer. Rev.War...Lee's father...Lee would marry Washington's granddaughter ...Lee went off to West Point...To become the only Cadet to go through all 4 years, without being given 1 demerit...He would capture with a small force a Mexican General and his army outside Mexico City in the lava/ash fields...as a Lt. As his army career grew...So did his military mind....Lincoln want Lee to have 1st chance at leading the Union army...But Lee followed his home state into THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES...Where he would come up with even more great strategies that are taught around the world...Along with Stonewall... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...