Conquer Club

"I don’t think Islam is as bad as Nazism. I think Islam is worse than Nazism." - Armin Navabi

GoranZ wrote:

"I don’t think Islam is as bad as Nazism. I think Islam is worse than Nazism." - Armin Navabi

Islam Versus Nazism

Bernie Sanders wrote:See boys and girls, Hitler ain't bad afterall!

GoranZ wrote:Islam Versus Nazism

An intertitle from the silent film blockbuster The Birth of a Nation (1915). "Aryan birthright" is here "white birthright", the "defense" of which unites "whites" in the Northern and Southern U.S. against "coloreds". In another film of the same year, The Aryan, William S. Hart's "Aryan" identity is defined in distinction from other peoples.

karel wrote:islam is the root of all evil

mookiemcgee wrote:

karel wrote:islam is the root of all evil

Ignorance is the root of all evil.

2dimes wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:

karel wrote:islam is the root of all evil

Ignorance is the root of all evil.

You're both wrong. As evidence I submit Ted Kacsanski. Neither ignorant or a follower of Islam.

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

karel wrote:

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

disagree,they all the same

tzor wrote:

GoranZ wrote:Islam Versus Nazism

Personally I think it's a crappy article, but that's just me. The argument that they are apples and oranges holds true to an extent but then again there has been a lot of crossbreeding of the fruits in the past centuries.

Due to historical reasons, early Islam had a lot of reasons to hate Jews, but Jewish populations continued to live in predominantly Islamic states like Iran for centuries. It wasn't until you started to see the rise of Nazi and Arab cooperation (remember that Iran itself means "the land of Aryans" and as a result this had a lot of importance to the Aryan Race myths that the Nazi's were promoting). Now truth be told, the Germans weren't the first to start spinning up this notion of "Aryan Race."

An intertitle from the silent film blockbuster The Birth of a Nation (1915). "Aryan birthright" is here "white birthright", the "defense" of which unites "whites" in the Northern and Southern U.S. against "coloreds". In another film of the same year, The Aryan, William S. Hart's "Aryan" identity is defined in distinction from other peoples.

(I wonder if ConfederateSS has a comment on this one.)

But this is a long playing tennis match and if you look at the previous serve you will see it was the Islamic states After all, the Europeans, in restarting the slave trade was just doing what the Islamic world had always done up to the later half of the previous century, The African Slave Trade: The Islamic Connection.

Which brings us back to the Nazis who, in spite of being generally known as the really really bad guys, couldn't even stomach the "purity laws" of the racists of the southern US states.

(Perhaps the apples and oranges was a bad comparison after all; more like two (three) separate vines of the same poison ivy bush.)

In one sense this is a pointless argument; it's like trying to ask which is worse, communism, fascism (remember facism isn't just Nazi's; it was invented by an Italian) or progressivism? They are all children of Marx and his philosophy. The key here was that in the pure form, the enemy was "class" where in the pure Islamic form the enemy was the "infidel" and in the Nazi form the enemy was "race." The outsider was dehumanized and treated accordingly. In that way, they can all go to HELL.

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

Dukasaur wrote:

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

Islam is evil. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are evil.

Dukasaur wrote:Mohammed was a ruthless conqueror who fully intended to subjugate every man, woman and child on earth to his bloodthirsty rule. You know some good Muslims who have never beheaded an unbeliever? Good for you! I know some good Communists who never sent anyone to the Gulag. Good people are good people, regardless of what evil empire they've been hoodwinked into serving. That doesn't make the empire itself less evil.

mookiemcgee wrote:

karel wrote:islam is the root of all evil

Ignorance is the root of all evil.

Dukasaur wrote:

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

Islam is evil. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are evil. There are, as you say, moderate Muslims that have never hurt anyone. Of course there are, there's no debate about that. But Islam from the first was designed to justify a bloody war of conquest by Mohammed and his followers. Of course there are Muslims who choose to disobey, to turn a blind eye to Mohammed's commandment to ruthlessly strike at unbelievers. There were Communists who chose to disobey Stalin and not sell their neighbours to the NKVD. There were Nazis who chose to disobey Hitler and who hid Jews and helped them escape. The existence of good people who will let their conscience triumph over their allegiance to an evil empire is something we can all be thankful for. Man's basic goodness will shine through despite evil government, but that does not make the government less evil.

Mohammed was a ruthless conqueror who fully intended to subjugate every man, woman and child on earth to his bloodthirsty rule. You know some good Muslims who have never beheaded an unbeliever? Good for you! I know some good Communists who never sent anyone to the Gulag. Good people are good people, regardless of what evil empire they've been hoodwinked into serving. That doesn't make the empire itself less evil.

betiko wrote:If Mahomet was just a bloodthirsty conqueror, he wouldn t have that much followers on all continents.

betiko wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

betiko wrote:Islam isn't evil... extremists are evil. I know a lot of muslim moderate friends that are as concerned as ourselves by these djihadists and islamist nazis. And those extremists kill the moderate muslims as well.
Just understand where to draw the line goran, stop putting everyone in the same bag.

Islam is evil. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are evil. There are, as you say, moderate Muslims that have never hurt anyone. Of course there are, there's no debate about that. But Islam from the first was designed to justify a bloody war of conquest by Mohammed and his followers. Of course there are Muslims who choose to disobey, to turn a blind eye to Mohammed's commandment to ruthlessly strike at unbelievers. There were Communists who chose to disobey Stalin and not sell their neighbours to the NKVD. There were Nazis who chose to disobey Hitler and who hid Jews and helped them escape. The existence of good people who will let their conscience triumph over their allegiance to an evil empire is something we can all be thankful for. Man's basic goodness will shine through despite evil government, but that does not make the government less evil.

Mohammed was a ruthless conqueror who fully intended to subjugate every man, woman and child on earth to his bloodthirsty rule. You know some good Muslims who have never beheaded an unbeliever? Good for you! I know some good Communists who never sent anyone to the Gulag. Good people are good people, regardless of what evil empire they've been hoodwinked into serving. That doesn't make the empire itself less evil.

I m pretty surprised by how stupid your answer is.
The Coran is not a book of hate. Some muslim currents and the way they interpret the Coran are. The problem is that islam is suffering from all these currents, 40 years ago the religion was nothing like that.
If Mahomet was just a bloodthirsty conqueror, he wouldn t have that much followers on all continents.