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Best English Monarch?

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:13 am

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby mrswdk on Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:48 am

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Re: Best English Monarch?

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby waauw on Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:19 am

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:40 am

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:38 pm

Kings:

Edward III was pretty badass, as was Henry V. Nowadays beating the French is kinda boring though.

Henry VII (count the I's, people) is underrated.

Charles II is fun.

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I don't think we've had a Queen who less than awesome. Mary terrifies Protestants to this day. Elizabeth one- hell Judi Dench won an Oscar for playing her for like 5 minutes. Mary 2- first example of gender equality in a monarchy. Anne- great furniture.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:21 am

Best British queen is obviously you, Sym. Duh.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby pickleofdoom on Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:00 am

Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby tzor on Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:11 am

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:52 pm

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:20 pm

pickleofdoom wrote:Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.


Cunt the great was also great. Maybe even greater than Alfred.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:53 pm

mrswdk wrote:Best British queen is obviously you, Sym. Duh.


Aww- you made me blush.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:05 pm

pickleofdoom wrote:Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.


You might want to be careful about how epithets are used. "The Confessor" wasn't really meant entirely as a compliment, for example. Prior to 1066, just attaching an epithet was kind of the way to distinguish between kings with the same name. Ethelred the Unready is a fun read on wiki.

Otherwise, I guess from the suggestions so far, there's a bit of a difference of opinion as to what an "English Monarch" means. Is it a monarch who is English? A monarch of England? A monarch of part of England?
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Re: Best English Monarch?

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:57 am

Symmetry wrote:
pickleofdoom wrote:Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.


You might want to be careful about how epithets are used. "The Confessor" wasn't really meant entirely as a compliment, for example. Prior to 1066, just attaching an epithet was kind of the way to distinguish between kings with the same name. Ethelred the Unready is a fun read on wiki.

Otherwise, I guess from the suggestions so far, there's a bit of a difference of opinion as to what an "English Monarch" means. Is it a monarch who is English? A monarch of England? A monarch of part of England?


On that subject, take a look at when Alfred became known as "the Great".
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:16 am

Symmetry wrote:
pickleofdoom wrote:Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.


You might want to be careful about how epithets are used. "The Confessor" wasn't really meant entirely as a compliment, for example. Prior to 1066, just attaching an epithet was kind of the way to distinguish between kings with the same name. Ethelred the Unready is a fun read on wiki.

Otherwise, I guess from the suggestions so far, there's a bit of a difference of opinion as to what an "English Monarch" means. Is it a monarch who is English? A monarch of England? A monarch of part of England?


The Confessor is always used as a compliment, except among pagans. The term comes from the one of the latter Roman persecutions of Christians when the emperor decided that rather than killing the Christians, he would just torture them. Some still died (Origen) as Martyrs but those who lived without recanting their faith in Christ became known as Confessors. The reason this epithet applies to Edward was because ruling the sad sack of people known as the English is certainly a torture, as evidenced by by this very forum.

Any of your definitions for English Monarch is acceptable. You will note that both of my suggestions are Scandinavian.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:03 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
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pickleofdoom wrote:Alfred the Great, on account of being great. Edward the Confessor, on account of being a confessor and then patron saint of England for some centuries until Saint George usurped him. Edgar the Peaceable for being so peaceable.


You might want to be careful about how epithets are used. "The Confessor" wasn't really meant entirely as a compliment, for example. Prior to 1066, just attaching an epithet was kind of the way to distinguish between kings with the same name. Ethelred the Unready is a fun read on wiki.

Otherwise, I guess from the suggestions so far, there's a bit of a difference of opinion as to what an "English Monarch" means. Is it a monarch who is English? A monarch of England? A monarch of part of England?


The Confessor is always used as a compliment, except among pagans. The term comes from the one of the latter Roman persecutions of Christians when the emperor decided that rather than killing the Christians, he would just torture them. Some still died (Origen) as Martyrs but those who lived without recanting their faith in Christ became known as Confessors. The reason this epithet applies to Edward was because ruling the sad sack of people known as the English is certainly a torture, as evidenced by by this very forum.
Any of your definitions for English Monarch is acceptable. You will note that both of my suggestions are Scandinavian.


I think there may well be a degree of irony involved in his epithet. I'm just going by memory here, but wiki seems to back me up (for what it's worth)- he was considered a bit over-pious and not a great ruler when it came to secular matters like running a kingdom.

So, no, not always a compliment.

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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:23 pm

There's no such thing as over-pious.
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby Thorthoth on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:41 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Edward III was pretty badass...

I would have thought you would find his father Ed II to be the bad ass/arse, especially after getting red hot pokered. :D
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby TeeGee on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:55 pm

Thorthoth wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Edward III was pretty badass...

I would have thought you would find his father Ed II to be the bad ass/arse, especially after getting red hot pokered. :D


Test again :)
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Re: Best English Monarch?

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:07 pm

TeeGee wrote:
Thorthoth wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Edward III was pretty badass...

I would have thought you would find his father Ed II to be the bad ass/arse, especially after getting red hot pokered. :D


Test again :)


I see what you did there.
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