Conquer Club

Thorthoth wrote:Another incredibly, stupidly snide & insincere thread, entirely stated in manipulo-idiotic Sym-speak...
Maybe, I'll swing by later and once again skewer it on it's one petard, ...but for now, I'm too tired and bored with his same ol' dreary schtick to even bother.

Symmetry wrote:

Thorthoth wrote:Another incredibly, stupidly snide & insincere thread, entirely stated in manipulo-idiotic Sym-speak...
Maybe, I'll swing by later and once again skewer it on it's one petard, ...but for now, I'm too tired and bored with his same ol' dreary schtick to even bother.

Rest up T, "skewer it on it's one petard" is pretty ridiculous already.

Thorthoth wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Thorthoth wrote:Another incredibly, stupidly snide & insincere thread, entirely stated in manipulo-idiotic Sym-speak...
Maybe, I'll swing by later and once again skewer it on it's one petard, ...but for now, I'm too tired and bored with his same ol' dreary schtick to even bother.

Rest up T, "skewer it on it's one petard" is pretty ridiculous already.

You're lucky you even have one petard you piss & petard-poor excuse for a human being.

Symmetry wrote:Is opposing fascism a form of of domestic terrorism? The Trump administration says yay.

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thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

Here's one for you;
KKK=Terrorists.
True or False.

And no, marel/fake Norse/whoever else is in that group, I'm not lumping modern day Democrats with the KKK. Just asking opinion on how people view the vile group that traces its roots back to Confederates soldiers that terrorized non-WASPs after the Civil War, with blacks being the most targeted.

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

Thorthoth wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

Not a hypocrite*, merely one with a side in the conflict.
*Unless you claim pacifism, of course.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

Antifa is against Nazism (note - Antifa is not against fascism as they are also fascists). Anfita is also against capitalism and republicanism (i.e. a republican government). I would therefore not call Antifa heroic. But hey, if you are okay with a bunch of people beating up a teenager and his dad for their non-Nazi, non-fascist political views...

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

Antifa is against Nazism (note - Antifa is not against fascism as they are also fascists). Anfita is also against capitalism and republicanism (i.e. a republican government). I would therefore not call Antifa heroic. But hey, if you are okay with a bunch of people beating up a teenager and his dad for their non-Nazi, non-fascist political views...

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, TGD.

Maybe, and I'm just going out on a limb here, you might want to rethink what opposing fascism is.

BERKELEY, CA—Advising students to remain in their dormitories and classrooms until the situation was resolved, the University of California, Berkeley declared a campuswide lockdown Thursday after several loose pages from The Wall Street Journal were found on a park bench outside a school building. “At 11:15 this morning, several pages from two separate sections of today’s Wall Street Journal were discovered spread across a bench outside of Eshleman Hall in Lower Sproul Plaza,” read the urgent alert sent to all students and faculty, emphasizing that while campus security and local police had safely disposed of the pages, there was no way of knowing if others were strewn elsewhere on university grounds. “As of now, the perpetrator remains at large, so it is vital that you stay where you are until the all-clear is given. In the meantime, notify police immediately if you have any additional information at all regarding this incident.”

At press time, a black-clad group of 50 students were throwing bottles at the bench while chanting, “No Nazis, No KKK, No Fascist U.S.A!”

http://www.theonion.com/article/berkele ... l-st-55815

riskllama wrote:wtf???

thegreekdog wrote:Look, whatever you may think of the United States, we have the First Amendment. It is a near absolute protection of free speech. So even people with whom I vehemently disagree and would very much like to punch get to say pretty much whatever they want. If we start rolling that protection back because we don't like the content of what people are saying, we start going down a slippery slope that could result in Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:It can be depending on the form it takes. If it takes the form of violent opposition, then yes. Let's say (and this is purely hypothetical), there is a group that is anti-fascist. This group is also anti-capitalist, anti-business, and takes great pains to commit violence in the name of those things (violence against both individuals and property). I know this is purely a hypothetical and there is not actually an organization like this that recently assaulted a number of non-fascists in Berkley recently. But I would call that group a form of domestic terrorists.

Kind of like how certain environmentalists blow up shit... those guys are also terrorists.

It seems like terrorism is a pretty loose term. Violent opposition to fascism is sometimes seen as heroic- the easiest examples obviously being during the second World War-e.g. The Resistance movements in France, or the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

For me, I'd be very wary of how the phrase "domestic terrorists" is used as a label. If violence+ideology= terrorism is really the formula, then you either risk diluting the term "terrorism" into virtual meaninglessness, or quickly find yourself becoming a hypocrite.

Antifa is against Nazism (note - Antifa is not against fascism as they are also fascists). Anfita is also against capitalism and republicanism (i.e. a republican government). I would therefore not call Antifa heroic. But hey, if you are okay with a bunch of people beating up a teenager and his dad for their non-Nazi, non-fascist political views...

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, TGD.

Maybe, and I'm just going out on a limb here, you might want to rethink what opposing fascism is.

The OP put it in the context of the Trump administration. The Trump administration has (I think) condemned Antifa. Antifa is a terrorist organization if it commits violence as part of its mission. So my initial response is on point. Violence+ideology does equal terrorism if the ideology is not merely "anti-fascism." I think you may want to rethink what Antifa does.