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Defending american values

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:48 pm
by waauw
Similar to the 'defending european values' topic:
1)free speech
2)eat more pizzas than italians
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Re: Defending american values

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:59 pm
by riskllama
GUNS.

Re: Defending american values

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:41 pm
by 2dimes
3. Spotted dick!

Re: Defending american values

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:09 pm
by tzor
Blah blah blah, what are "American Values?"

Well, since you mentioned them, I'll go with "FREE SPEECH." I'll start with this source Here

George Orwell wrote:“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

Oscar Wilde wrote:I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.

Theodore Roosevelt wrote:To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

Harry Truman wrote:Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.

John Scalzi wrote:1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the things they read (or watch, or listen to, or taste, or whatever). They’re also entitled to express them online.

2. Sometimes those opinions will be ones you don’t like.

3. Sometimes those opinions won’t be very nice.

4. The people expressing those may be (but are not always) assholes.

5. However, if your solution to this “problem” is to vex, annoy, threaten or harrass them, you are almost certainly a bigger asshole.

6. You may also be twelve.

7. You are not responsible for anyone else’s actions or karma, but you are responsible for your own.

8. So leave them alone and go about your own life.


There are many places where there are things you can't say. Yes this was true in America, but only on the airwaves, because of the "think of the children" argument. The notion you can silence a notion by not talking about it or giving it a name is unique to Socialism (rampant in Europe) and among US Democrats (trying to use violence if necessary to keep people from talking). If anything evil should not be "silenced" but allowed to speak openly so that every word can be proven to be the lie that is is and the evil unmasked for all to plainly see.

If we don't talk about "Hitler" then suddenly every little piss pot of a opposition is a Hitler. If we don't talk about the KKK then few people will realize it was the radical arm of the Democratic Party!

On the other hand, Free Speech isn't a real "American Value" ... The founding fathers who put that amendment into the Constitution were the same ones who enforced speech codes on the STATE level. Just over time we adopted it for a while. Now it's like a puppy, we have to keep it.