Conquer Club

Dukasaur wrote:The munchkin army was composed of opportunists who never envisioned that one day they might have to fight. Basically, they signed up to get a salary, and the ability to look cool and impress the chicks by marching around in their cool duds. I'm sure they were paralyzed when the possibility of actual war suddenly materialized.

mrswdk wrote:Weren't the Munchkins just worried that if they resisted too hard, lots of their old buildings would get destroyed in the fighting?

mrswdk wrote:betiko can't stand female leaders, hence his charicature of Theresa May as a witch.

betiko, you resent Theresa May's position of authority. What do you think another strong female leader - say, Marie la Pen?

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

It was reported in James Curtis' book Spencer Tracy: A Biography[9] that Anne Revere once said Fleming was "violently pro-Nazi". Fleming had once mocked the UK at the outset of World War II by taking a bet as to how long the country could withstand an attack by Germany.

saxitoxin wrote:I've checked the original book and learned some things:

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:I've checked the original book and learned some things:

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the Wicked Witch of the East (are we allowed to use the term "Wicked"... I don't want to offend anyone) was a colonial power that had taken over Munchkin Land. Perhaps the Munchkin Army were like the Vichy French army.

saxitoxin wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:I've checked the original book and learned some things:

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the Wicked Witch of the East (are we allowed to use the term "Wicked"... I don't want to offend anyone) was a colonial power that had taken over Munchkin Land. Perhaps the Munchkin Army were like the Vichy French army.

Great question. I was also under that impression, that the Witch of the East (let's not play the blame game and call her "Wicked"), was a colonial power who ruled Munckinland from afar.

However, it seems - on deeper research - that the Munchkins, prior to Dorothy's assassination of the WOE, may have played the same role as the Winkies prior the assassination of the Witch of the West. That maybe the Witch of the East was actually resident in Munchkinland and the Munckhin Army did her bidding like the Winkie Army did the bidding of the Witch of the West.

When the house fell on the Witch of the East, I had always assumed she was just passing through and terrorizing the locals as she tended to do from time to time. But, it seems, she may have just been at her actual home base as resident dictator. A further indicator of this can be seen when the Munchkin State Coach arrives to pick-up Dorothy at the end of this scene ...



The coach is clearly sized to fit a full-size person, not a Munchkin, so must have previously been used by the Witch of the East?

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:I've checked the original book and learned some things:

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the Wicked Witch of the East (are we allowed to use the term "Wicked"... I don't want to offend anyone) was a colonial power that had taken over Munchkin Land. Perhaps the Munchkin Army were like the Vichy French army.

Great question. I was also under that impression, that the Witch of the East (let's not play the blame game and call her "Wicked"), was a colonial power who ruled Munckinland from afar.

However, it seems - on deeper research - that the Munchkins, prior to Dorothy's assassination of the WOE, may have played the same role as the Winkies prior the assassination of the Witch of the West. That maybe the Witch of the East was actually resident in Munchkinland and the Munckhin Army did her bidding like the Winkie Army did the bidding of the Witch of the West.

When the house fell on the Witch of the East, I had always assumed she was just passing through and terrorizing the locals as she tended to do from time to time. But, it seems, she may have just been at her actual home base as resident dictator. A further indicator of this can be seen when the Munchkin State Coach arrives to pick-up Dorothy at the end of this scene ...



The coach is clearly sized to fit a full-size person, not a Munchkin, so must have previously been used by the Witch of the East?

It begs the question, though - How were the Munchkins so prepared for the coming of Dorothy? Was the WOW secretly supplying counterrevolutionaries? I believe it took all of five minutes for the Munchkins to start a coreographed dance... they must have known.

saxitoxin wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:I've checked the original book and learned some things:

1. After the Witch of the East is killed, the remnant government of Munchkinland sent a "swift messenger to the North" to alert Glinda.

2. Glinda tells Dorothy that she was never as powerful as the Witch of the East or she would have invaded Munchkinland and killed the Witch of the East herself.

3. Glinda tells Dorothy "the land of Oz has never been civilized." After the death of the Witch of the East there is no mention of a parade, instead, Dorothy dines at the home of Bok, the wealthiest man in Munchkinland.

4. One of the Munchkins tells Dorothy that if she traveled too far west she would encounter the Witch of the West who is a slaver. The Witch of the West, herself, actually never comes to Munchkinland which answers the question How did she find out the Witch of the East had died within mere minutes of it happening?

5. There is no mention of a Munchkin Army.

I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that the Wicked Witch of the East (are we allowed to use the term "Wicked"... I don't want to offend anyone) was a colonial power that had taken over Munchkin Land. Perhaps the Munchkin Army were like the Vichy French army.

Great question. I was also under that impression, that the Witch of the East (let's not play the blame game and call her "Wicked"), was a colonial power who ruled Munckinland from afar.

However, it seems - on deeper research - that the Munchkins, prior to Dorothy's assassination of the WOE, may have played the same role as the Winkies prior the assassination of the Witch of the West. That maybe the Witch of the East was actually resident in Munchkinland and the Munckhin Army did her bidding like the Winkie Army did the bidding of the Witch of the West.

When the house fell on the Witch of the East, I had always assumed she was just passing through and terrorizing the locals as she tended to do from time to time. But, it seems, she may have just been at her actual home base as resident dictator. A further indicator of this can be seen when the Munchkin State Coach arrives to pick-up Dorothy at the end of this scene ...



The coach is clearly sized to fit a full-size person, not a Munchkin, so must have previously been used by the Witch of the East?

It begs the question, though - How were the Munchkins so prepared for the coming of Dorothy? Was the WOW secretly supplying counterrevolutionaries? I believe it took all of five minutes for the Munchkins to start a coreographed dance... they must have known.

Symmetry wrote:Just because they aren't tall doesn't mean they aren't normal (1. Wrong.) humans, and just because they aren't tall doesn't mean they aren't "full size" (2. Wrong.)

It's sad (3. Wrong.) that people treat this kind of stuff as somehow being heretical just because they think that it should be some pretty tall white American playing every role they've ever read.

The movie is more of a classic than the books. (4. Wrong.) Live with it. (5. Wrong.)

Thorthoth wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Just because they aren't tall doesn't mean they aren't normal (1. Wrong.) humans, and just because they aren't tall doesn't mean they aren't "full size" (2. Wrong.)

It's sad (3. Wrong.) that people treat this kind of stuff as somehow being heretical just because they think that it should be some pretty tall white American playing every role they've ever read.

The movie is more of a classic than the books. (4. Wrong.) Live with it. (5. Wrong.)

Symmetry = FAIL.