Conquer Club

I am STOKED. The Force Awakens returned the franchise to kicking ass!

I realize several of you did not get it, so tell us your thoughts on the next two movies.

I love Star Trek, especially the part where colonel O'neill defeated cylons.

I think they have not been released yet and therefore, cannot comment on them.

i haven't read anything about it... just saw a trailer the other day; and today I see new ones:





so were the f*ck on the timeline is this? is this the first or the second death star? It seems pretty likely that this is a paralel story taking place during the episodes 4-6 trilogy. An episode to bring in new characters in the saga that supposedly "have always been there"; and they will join the new guys from episode 7 in an episode 8. Am I right?
Again, I haven't done any research... those are just my thoughts after viewing these trailers

It takes place before episode IV.

It is the story about getting the plans for the Death Star so they can find a weakness. So between episode 3 and 4.

2dimes wrote:I am STOKED. The Force Awakens returned the franchise to kicking ass!

Not quite. When you blatantly copy the plot of A New Hope, no amount of special effects or nostalgic casting choices will save you. As bad as they were, at least the prequels had an element of originality in their story telling. If Episode 8 sees the New Order build a 4th Death Star, I'm out.

Butters1919 wrote:

2dimes wrote:I am STOKED. The Force Awakens returned the franchise to kicking ass!

Not quite. When you blatantly copy the plot of A New Hope, no amount of special effects or nostalgic casting choices will save you. As bad as they were, at least the prequels had an element of originality in their story telling. If Episode 8 sees the New Order build a 4th Death Star, I'm out.

while I agree that the death star theme is wayyyyyyy past overused: i kind of liked the force awakens. I really hated all 3 prequels. While the force awakens isn't as good as the original trilogy; it's way better than the prequels. When i saw the trailer of this "rogue 1" and I saw a death star... I was really impressed by the originality of the plot. yay, can't be a star wars without a death star! well f*ck off!

So yeah, never thought of that actually... the "first" star wars starts with leia giving the plans to R2D2 but I don't remember where she got them from.
Also, leia and luke's storylines remain unclear from episode 3 to 4. will they be part of this?

betiko wrote:Also, leia and luke's storylines remain unclear from episode 3 to 4. will they be part of this?

Not this one, at least. Now that Disney owns the rights to the franchise, they plan to release a Star Wars movie every year. Half of the movies will follow the original story arc, the other half are stand alone movies that expand upon a small sub-plot of the main arc. Last year, Force Awakens, was the garbage that picked up where Jedi left off, granted many years after. This year, we get the back-story to how the rebels stole the plans to the 1st Death Star. 2 years from now, we'll get Episode 8, where undoubtedly, the Rebels will inhabit a frozen planet to hide, only to be discovered. Ice battle ensues, rebels escape. Po or Finn (or both) get frozen in carbonite, Rey will lose a hand... yada yada yada. 3 years from now, we'll get another of stand alone. Its rumoured to be the story of how Han Solo became a bounty hunter. Time will tell, but I think the stand alone movies have more promise. 4 years from now, Episode 9 (which will when the New Order reveals their 4th Death Star - well, their 2nd, but the 4th overall).

Rinse and repeat until all profitability is gone.

Edit: At least the Death Star in Rogue One is not a "new" one. It's the original one from A New Hope.

Butters1919 wrote:

betiko wrote:Also, leia and luke's storylines remain unclear from episode 3 to 4. will they be part of this?

Not this one, at least. Now that Disney owns the rights to the franchise, they plan to release a Star Wars movie every year. Half of the movies will follow the original story arc, the other half are stand alone movies that expand upon a small sub-plot of the main arc. Last year, Force Awakens, was the garbage that picked up where Jedi left off, granted many years after. This year, we get the back-story to how the rebels stole the plans to the 1st Death Star. 2 years from now, we'll get Episode 8, where undoubtedly, the Rebels will inhabit a frozen planet to hide, only to be discovered. Ice battle ensues, rebels escape. Po or Finn (or both) get frozen in carbonite, Rey will lose a hand... yada yada yada. 3 years from now, we'll get another of stand alone. Its rumoured to be the story of how Han Solo became a bounty hunter. Time will tell, but I think the stand alone movies have more promise. 4 years from now, Episode 9 (which will when the New Order reveals their 4th Death Star - well, their 2nd, but the 4th overall).

Rinse and repeat until all profitability is gone.

Edit: At least the Death Star in Rogue One is not a "new" one. It's the original one from A New Hope.

yes if it's the old one froma new hope i have noproblem with that. and I think you're being a bit harsh on jj abrahms... I m sure episode 8 and 9 will be quite original. Shit, he had to take a story 35 years + later, with cool special effects from the 70s being the future of stupid special effects from the late 90s early 2000s. He had to create whole new characters and get rid of old ones but still trying to make a link... the force awakens was good, appart from the death star and kylo ren sucking real bad with a lazer against a noob

Let's be fair, Rey wasn't completely a noob at fighting (she was shown early in the movie to have pretty easily fended off multiple attackers after they had gotten the jump on her) and Ren was heavily injured and really wasnt trying to outright kill her for most of the fight. That said, it is a risky move showing your [apprentice] big bad being defeated by the awakening hero in their first show down.

Han was a smuggler, the bounty was on him, hence Boba Fett the bounty hunter, telling Vader, "He's no good to me dead." before he moved to Australia.

Of course the bad guys build another Death Star, what would you have them do to vanquish the galaxies, "Order the rebels pizza with undesirable toppings."?

Did you walk out of The Force Awakens early or something?

Black stormtrooper. Emo temper tantrum Kylo who is not even a shadow of his hero Renn. R2-D2 knock off BB-8, the order or whatever basically being the Nazis..

As strike wolf mentions, Rey was not an untrained noob, she kicked ass at stick fighting, and was a small junk salvaging girl abandoned by her family, climbing and rappelling around giant wreckage, for reasons not explained, she has a natural ability to use the Force that she has not yet refined, because she did not even know about it until Han Solo briefly explained what it was.

Rogue one is a prequel (OH shit!) and takes place just before a New Hope. We remember that Darth Vader was attacking that rebel ship because it had received a transmission from some rebel spies. That transmission was the plans for the Death Star which the Princess put into R2D2.
Rogue one is the story of those spies.
Rogue one is also the origin story of the beginning of the Knights of Ren.

The Knights of Ren appear in the Force Awakens, we see them only briefly in the movie and they have no speaking roles at all and are rather mysterious.

You have The Heavy, The Armorer, The Monk, I can't remember the sniper's name and the last one is called The Rogue.
Kylo Ren is the leader of the Knights of Ren. We only see them in The Force Awakens in a dream sequence from Rey who is force sensitive for unknown reasons. The Knights themselves are not force sensitive as far as we know.

In Rogue one these are the rebel spies who steal the plans for the Death Star and transmit them to the rebels-



These are the "heroes" of the upcoming Rogue one movie. Starting from the right, the guy sitting there with the staff, he ends up becoming "The Monk" of the Knights of Ren, the next guy standing behind the Monk is the Heavy, the middle character is code named "Rogue One" by the rebels and she is the main character of the movie (and theorized as some as the mother of Rey but that's not true) and she becomes "The Rogue". The guy standing just behind her to the left is the sniper guy, don't remember his name from the Knights, and the guy sitting is the "Armorer", in Rogue One he's the mechanic jack of all trades kind of character.

The story of Rogue One tells the story of the spies who stole the Death Star plans in the very first Star Wars movie and what happened to them. It gets connected to the new movies because in the next installment, Episode VIII it will be revealed that the Knights of Ren are these rebel spies. They were captured after they sent the plans, tortured and turned.

The information we know about the Knights of Ren comes from-


which is canon and features all the Knights of Ren and their names. Combing this with what we know about the upcoming Rogue One it becomes obvious that the Rogue One is really about the birth of the order of the Knights of Ren.

Kylo Ren is the ultimate spoiled entitled kid gone bad. Unlike His Darth predecessors he is not a cool bad guy.

2dimes wrote:Kylo Ren is the ultimate spoiled entitled kid gone bad. Unlike His Darth predecessors he is not a cool bad guy.

That is the impression given in the first movie. The only thing we know about his backstory really is that he is Han and Leia's son. Darth Vader was a badass but his backstory is bunk, at least as it was presented in the (now infamous) prequels. None of the other Darth's had any backstory so we don't really know shit about them. Darth Maul was cool and badass enough but he was also a complete moron. Maybe his backstory is that he was abandoned as a baby because his parents thought he was retarded which filled Maul with angst enough to turn to the darkside.
Maybe Kylo's reasons for turning to the darkside and his spoiledness will be a lot better than Annakin's lame ass story and he becomes a bit more interesting. Maybe.

this is a bit off topic here, but I was flipping thru the channels late one night and saw darth maul alive and well on "the clone wars" animated series. that blew my fuckin' mind at the time as I was most likely high as shit. ended up getting hooked & watched the bulk of that series. thought it was pretty good. then, I saw a darth maul fan movie on YouTube, which was also surprisingly good. apparently both he and asohka are both in the new "rebels" animated series. anyone have an opinion on that? I have only seen the bits that were in that movie...

2dimes wrote:Han was a smuggler, the bounty was on him, hence Boba Fett the bounty hunter, telling Vader, "He's no good to me dead." before he moved to Australia.

Of course the bad guys build another Death Star, what would you have them do to vanquish the galaxies, "Order the rebels pizza with undesirable toppings."?

Did you walk out of The Force Awakens early or something?

Black stormtrooper. Emo temper tantrum Kylo who is not even a shadow of his hero Renn. R2-D2 knock off BB-8, the order or whatever basically being the Nazis..

As strike wolf mentions, Rey was not an untrained noob, she kicked ass at stick fighting, and was a small junk salvaging girl abandoned by her family, climbing and rappelling around giant wreckage, for reasons not explained, she has a natural ability to use the Force that she has not yet refined, because she did not even know about it until Han Solo briefly explained what it was.

But will Rey turn out to be a relative of the skywalkers.... to keep with the originality.

riskllama wrote:this is a bit off topic here, but I was flipping thru the channels late one night and saw darth maul alive and well on "the clone wars" animated series. that blew my fuckin' mind at the time as I was most likely high as shit. ended up getting hooked & watched the bulk of that series. thought it was pretty good. then, I saw a darth maul fan movie on YouTube, which was also surprisingly good. apparently both he and asohka are both in the new "rebels" animated series. anyone have an opinion on that? I have only seen the bits that were in that movie...

Darth Maul survived the fight against Obi-wan and this is canon now. He survived and for a while had built a set of spider like legs for himself.

Some trivia about Darth Maul. He comes from the same planet as the Rangar. You remember, that monster thing that tried to eat Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. It was Jabba's favorite pet and Skywalker killed it the bloody bastard!

Darth Maul had two brothers. One of the brothers had to murder the other one to pass his final test as a Sith Apprentice. This happened after Darth Maul had entered into his apprenticeship with the soon to become Emperor.

After Darth Maul got chopped in half he was eventually saved from the garbage planet he was trapped on by his brother. This was when Darth Maul was sporting the homemade mechanical spider legs. He got a proper pair of legs after that.

Darth Maul and his brother went seeking revenge against the Emperor whom they blamed for their problems (i.e. Darth Maul's lack of legs). The Emperor has a habit of kinda tossing away his apprentices like rubbish after all.
However, this didn't work out too well for the brothers. The Emperor beat Yoda for Christ's sakes, what chance did these two idiots stand?
None it turns out. The Emperor killed Maul's last brother in the fight, defeated Maul and imprisoned Maul for a decade or two. He has since escaped the Emperor and he is out and about the Galaxy doing whatever it is that Darth Maul likes to do. Probably killing, maiming and showing off his mad Dark Force skills which aren't nearly the level of certain other Sith.

He could well show up one day in some future Star Wars movie. Stranger things have happened.

yes yes, I know all that. my question was regarding "Rebels"...zit any fuckin' good???
think it's "rancor", btw...

riskllama wrote:yes yes, I know all that. my question was regarding "Rebels"...zit any fuckin' good???
think it's "rancor", btw...

Hahah, yeah, it's rancor. I disabled my Star Wars spell/grammar check, it woulda caught that.

Other people might not know that though, I only knew because I've read some Star Wars stuff.

I haven't watched the new animated series, I never watched the old series either. Saw a few episodes, it seemed all right, I just never got around to watching them. I hear the new series is good, but I guess it's all what one likes. If you like Star Wars then you'll probably like the new series. Watch it and decide for yourself I guess.

why is AoG never around when you you need him?

I want to get this off my chest, without spoiling anything. The end of episode 7:

show

Stupid Star Wars.

Chewie1 wrote:
But will Rey turn out to be a relative of the skywalkers.... to keep with the originality.

Well even though General Leia is a crappy mom, I don't see her being quite so bad that she would forget her daughter altogether. As a Jedi Luke is not supposed to be mating. (Then again, metaclorines or what ever)

That leaves few openings. Some sort of cousin perhaps.

2dimes wrote:

Chewie1 wrote:
But will Rey turn out to be a relative of the skywalkers.... to keep with the originality.

Well even though General Leia is a crappy mom, I don't see her being quite so bad that she would forget her daughter altogether. As a Jedi Luke is not supposed to be mating. (Then again, metaclorines or what ever)

That leaves few openings. Some sort of cousin perhaps.

Yo-dana- Yoda's cousin from the Bronx. Shit from no fool does she take.

Let's hope we don't have George writing again.

2dimes wrote:

Chewie1 wrote:
But will Rey turn out to be a relative of the skywalkers.... to keep with the originality.

Well even though General Leia is a crappy mom, I don't see her being quite so bad that she would forget her daughter altogether. As a Jedi Luke is not supposed to be mating. (Then again, metaclorines or what ever)

That leaves few openings. Some sort of cousin perhaps.

Why is Luke not supposed to be mating?

He had a incest crush on Leia before he realised she was his sister???

Agreed tho she wont be leias daughter my money would be on Lukes.