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----------THE WORLD IS GOING TO MISS YOU CASSIUS CLAY.... ..I DON'T BELIEVE IN PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THEIR NAME. ...I CALL'em WHAT THEIR MOMMA GAVE'em....I just hope you were not Jn(Owen)...Here at C.C....Waiting for C.C.'s GREAT ONE TO RETURN....We'll leave a candle lite just in case. ....FLOAT LIKE A BUTTER FLY STING LIKE A BEE....THE GREATEST IS ROUNDING EARTH AND DANCING WITH THE HOLY TRINITY. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

So your name is actually confedarate ass?

So you care about him, just not enough to respect his choice for what to call himself? Gotcha.

The flag and his name....says it all.

Ali, you are going to be missed.

As Romain Gary said, it's one of the greatest ironies of American civilization. Arabs invented the institution of black slavery, and across the Saharan countries Arabs are still busy at least oppressing the blacks, if not explicitly enslaving them, as they still do in a few of those countries like Mauritania and Sudan. And yet, in America blacks think they are fighting oppression by taking on the Arab religion and Arab names. Go figure.

Dukasaur wrote:And yet, in America blacks think they are fighting oppression by taking on the Arab religion

The Nation of Islam is not an "Arab religion," it is an indigenous U.S. cult / con game started in Detroit by a door-to-door salesman.

NOI was not founded by Arabs, it has no presence in Arab countries, it has no Arab members, it does not conduct business in Arabic.

A NOI member would be as welcome to attend the Hajj as a Mormon would be to marry his three nieces at St Peter's Basilica.

-----------Although a GREAT BOXER...........
-----------HE dishonored his FATHER by changing his name....One, he was named after his father. Two ,his grandfather named his father. AFTER.......YES, you are going to love it. ....Cassius Marcellus Clay...a great warrior against slavery....An Abolitionist,a politician ,A Republican of high regards,respected by Lincoln....YES, become ISLAM..(ALI)..Get rid of a name that fought Slavery.
-----------Lets go further.....Islam as he stated, only fights for the religion or the messenger. He just used Islam to punk out of fighting in Vietnam. O.K....But yet he fights in a ring for fame and money....Sounds like a chicken shit who just turned yellow in the face of his duty to his country.........A boxer who deserves the term "CHAMP" a man who took up the call for his country. JOE LOUIS...BABY .........I know the peanut gallery will come up with bullshit. But facts are facts...HE HAD NO PROBLEM FIGHTING FOR MONEY AND FAME....Turned yellow for THE RED ,WHITE,and BLUE...To top it off,stirred up trouble on college campuses...Causing many to turn on their own soldiers when they came home...Yes,I know is sucks when you find out your heros are full of crap,just like everyone else. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Huh, you sure did not miss him for very long.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------Although a GREAT BOXER...........
-----------HE dishonored his FATHER by changing his name....One, he was named after his father. Two ,his grandfather named his father. AFTER.......YES, you are going to love it. ....Cassius Marcellus Clay...a great warrior against slavery....An Abolitionist,a politician ,A Republican of high regards,respected by Lincoln....YES, become ISLAM..(ALI)..Get rid of a name that fought Slavery.
-----------Lets go further.....Islam as he stated, only fights for the religion or the messenger. He just used Islam to punk out of fighting in Vietnam. O.K....But yet he fights in a ring for fame and money....Sounds like a chicken shit who just turned yellow in the face of his duty to his country.........A boxer who deserves the term "CHAMP" a man who took up the call for his country. JOE LOUIS...BABY .........I know the peanut gallery will come up with bullshit. But facts are facts...HE HAD NO PROBLEM FIGHTING FOR MONEY AND FAME....Turned yellow for THE RED ,WHITE,and BLUE...To top it off,stirred up trouble on college campuses...Causing many to turn on their own soldiers when they came home...Yes,I know is sucks when you find out your heros are full of crap,just like everyone else. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Again, Mohammed Ali was not a Muslim. He was a member of the Nation of Islam, which is not Islamic. They just happen to be spelled the same way. Islam was founded in Arabia in the 600s and believes the prophet of God is a man named Mohammed who died of meningitis at age 62. The Nation of Islam was founded in Detroit in the 1930s and believes the prophet of God was a door to door salesman who got bumped-off after he failed to pay his bookie.

When you play Cowboys and Indians and get assigned the Indians, do you play as Soaring Eagle or as Raj Gupta?

Hey I knew a guy called Raj Gupta. He had a Scottish accent.

saxitoxin wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------Although a GREAT BOXER...........
-----------HE dishonored his FATHER by changing his name....One, he was named after his father. Two ,his grandfather named his father. AFTER.......YES, you are going to love it. ....Cassius Marcellus Clay...a great warrior against slavery....An Abolitionist,a politician ,A Republican of high regards,respected by Lincoln....YES, become ISLAM..(ALI)..Get rid of a name that fought Slavery.
-----------Lets go further.....Islam as he stated, only fights for the religion or the messenger. He just used Islam to punk out of fighting in Vietnam. O.K....But yet he fights in a ring for fame and money....Sounds like a chicken shit who just turned yellow in the face of his duty to his country.........A boxer who deserves the term "CHAMP" a man who took up the call for his country. JOE LOUIS...BABY .........I know the peanut gallery will come up with bullshit. But facts are facts...HE HAD NO PROBLEM FIGHTING FOR MONEY AND FAME....Turned yellow for THE RED ,WHITE,and BLUE...To top it off,stirred up trouble on college campuses...Causing many to turn on their own soldiers when they came home...Yes,I know is sucks when you find out your heros are full of crap,just like everyone else. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Again, Mohammed Ali was not a Muslim. He was a member of the Nation of Islam, which is not Islamic. They just happen to be spelled the same way. Islam was founded in Arabia in the 600s and believes the prophet of God is a man named Mohammed who died of meningitis at age 62. The Nation of Islam was founded in Detroit in the 1930s and believes the prophet of God was a door to door salesman who got bumped-off after he failed to pay his bookie.

When you play Cowboys and Indians and get assigned the Indians, do you play as Soaring Eagle or as Raj Gupta?

Jesus Christ, i was reading the wiki on the NOI. Apparently, it's now added dianetics to its system. It's a hybrid of NOI and scientology. Doubling up on the crazy.

-TG

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------Although a GREAT BOXER...........
-----------HE dishonored his FATHER by changing his name....One, he was named after his father. Two ,his grandfather named his father. AFTER.......YES, you are going to love it. ....Cassius Marcellus Clay...a great warrior against slavery....An Abolitionist,a politician ,A Republican of high regards,respected by Lincoln....YES, become ISLAM..(ALI)..Get rid of a name that fought Slavery.
-----------Lets go further.....Islam as he stated, only fights for the religion or the messenger. He just used Islam to punk out of fighting in Vietnam. O.K....But yet he fights in a ring for fame and money....Sounds like a chicken shit who just turned yellow in the face of his duty to his country.........A boxer who deserves the term "CHAMP" a man who took up the call for his country. JOE LOUIS...BABY .........I know the peanut gallery will come up with bullshit. But facts are facts...HE HAD NO PROBLEM FIGHTING FOR MONEY AND FAME....Turned yellow for THE RED ,WHITE,and BLUE...To top it off,stirred up trouble on college campuses...Causing many to turn on their own soldiers when they came home...Yes,I know is sucks when you find out your heros are full of crap,just like everyone else. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

"No Viet Cong ever called me a Nigger!"

You just don't get it, huh? The problem and cowardice lies with racists and bigots.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------Although a GREAT BOXER...........
-----------HE dishonored his FATHER by changing his name....One, he was named after his father. Two ,his grandfather named his father. AFTER.......YES, you are going to love it. ....Cassius Marcellus Clay...a great warrior against slavery....An Abolitionist,a politician ,A Republican of high regards,respected by Lincoln....YES, become ISLAM..(ALI)..Get rid of a name that fought Slavery.
-----------Lets go further.....Islam as he stated, only fights for the religion or the messenger. He just used Islam to punk out of fighting in Vietnam. O.K....But yet he fights in a ring for fame and money....Sounds like a chicken shit who just turned yellow in the face of his duty to his country.........A boxer who deserves the term "CHAMP" a man who took up the call for his country. JOE LOUIS...BABY .........I know the peanut gallery will come up with bullshit. But facts are facts...HE HAD NO PROBLEM FIGHTING FOR MONEY AND FAME....Turned yellow for THE RED ,WHITE,and BLUE...To top it off,stirred up trouble on college campuses...Causing many to turn on their own soldiers when they came home...Yes,I know is sucks when you find out your heros are full of crap,just like everyone else. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

"No Viet Cong ever called me a Nigger!"

You just don't get it, huh? The problem and cowardice lies with racists and bigots.

-----------NO ,YOU DON'T GET IT...........
--------But the people Ali was fighting in front of for money and fame...Called him the "N" word...Yet he had no problem fighting in front of/for them...
--------He also changed his name ,for so called justice........
--------Jackie Robinson ,Rosa Parks, Fredreick Douglas...all fought injustice without the need to change their name... I'm sure Jackie was called the "N" word...He didn't cry like a punk. He showed the white boys how to really play baseball. ...I'm sure Joe Louis was called the "N" word... He didn't change his name and punk out. He fought in the ring and for the country he loved and believed in.
--------Where as,Ali...used Islam to chicken out of Vietnam. He can't really have believed every single American thought of him like that,the "N"word. Yet ,he was ready to turn his back on all Americans.Including those brave men and women of every aspect of America already spilling their blood for their country. So,his sorry ass could stay home and make millions fighting in a boxing ring,YES,FIGHTING.That his new found religion prohibited. ...If he really thought every American hated him and wanted out of going to Nam...He could of ran to Canada with the rest of the draft dodgers.....
--------I will miss the American/Boxer/Olympian CLAY.... ....not the draft dodging punk ali...who used race/fame/fighting to line his pockets...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Ah yes, the peanut gallery ,brain washed by the media,that ali was a god.

ConfederateSS wrote:--------Where as,Ali...used Islam to chicken out of Vietnam.

For the third time, Ali did not convert to Islam, he converted to Nation of Islam, which has nothing to do with Islam other than they're spelled somewhat similarly.

Speaking of things spelled similarly, there is a religion called Scientology, and Jane Goodall was a scientist. That does not mean Jane Goodall was ipso facto a Scientologist, nor does it mean all Scientologists are also Jane Goodall, nor does it mean Jane Goodall is simultaneously all Scientologists.

A thread on a boxer has turned into a crash course in quantum physics. The only person who wins when that happens is Metsfanmax. Don't let it happen again.

saxitoxin wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:--------Where as,Ali...used Islam to chicken out of Vietnam.

For the third time, Ali did not convert to Islam, he converted to Nation of Islam, which has nothing to do with Islam other than they're spelled somewhat similarly.

Speaking of things spelled similarly, there is a religion called Scientology, and Jane Goodall was a scientist. That does not mean Jane Goodall was ipso facto a Scientologist, nor does it mean all Scientologists are also Jane Goodall, nor does it mean Jane Goodall is simultaneously all Scientologists.

A thread on a boxer has turned into a crash course in quantum physics. The only person who wins when that happens is Metsfanmax. Don't let it happen again.

Members of the Nation of Islam believe that there is no God but Allah, as do other Muslims.
They are required to pray five times a day, as are other Muslims.
They openly advocate the hating of Jews, as do other Muslims.
They are required to abandon all rationality, and accept uncritically the teachings of their leaders, as are other Muslims.
Their leaders usually wear stupid-looking hats, as do other Muslim leaders.

They may differ from mainstream Islam in some details, but they are part of the Islamic world whether it suits your narrative or not.

ConfederateSS wrote:--------I will miss the American/Boxer/Olympian CLAY.... ....not the draft dodging punk ali...who used race/fame/fighting to line his pockets...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Ah yes, the peanut gallery ,brain washed by the media,that ali was a god.

Ah, so you started the thread 5 decades late and have a seething hatred for Sufis.

So much backwards in this thread.

Bollocks.

Dukasaur wrote:Members of the Nation of Islam believe that there is no God but Allah, as do other Muslims.

Interesting and unconventional idea. Actually, Christians and Jews also believe there is no God but God. So, according to your conspiracy theory, the Pope is Muslim.

NOI, by contrast, believes God was a door-to-door salesman who lived in Detroit in the 1930s and was bumped-off by a bookie over gambling debts. The identity of God is essentially the central differencing factor between any two religions; if one religion believes God is a disembodied non-corporeal entity and another believes God was a door-to-door salesman in Detroit, those two ideas, in fact, represent two different religions.

NOI is probably most closely related to the Mormon Church, which believes Jesus was succeeded by a deadbeat debtor in 1830s Ohio who heard voices that told him he should have group sex with children and was eventually shoved off the top of a tall building by his own followers after he was unable to keep his pants zipped.

ConfederateSS wrote:--------Jackie Robinson ,Rosa Parks, Fredreick Douglas...all fought injustice without the need to change their name...

Leaving aside the fact that Frederick Douglass did in fact change his name (he was born Frederick Bailey), I'm not sure I see the point of this argument. However, it does give me leave to consider you a fucked up person for playing RIsk games under the moniker "ConfederateSS" instead of your birth name. I recommend that you change your username immediately to avoid the possible appearance of hypocrisy.

saxitoxin wrote:

A thread on a boxer has turned into a crash course in quantum physics. The only person who wins when that happens is Metsfanmax. Don't let it happen again.

We all win when we learn about quantum physics. It makes up the basis of our world, better get used to it.

saxitoxin wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Members of the Nation of Islam believe that there is no God but Allah, as do other Muslims.

Interesting and unconventional idea. Actually, Christians and Jews also believe there is no God but God. So, according to your conspiracy theory, the Pope is Muslim.

NOI, by contrast, believes God was a door-to-door salesman who lived in Detroit in the 1930s and was bumped-off by a bookie over gambling debts. The identity of God is essentially the central differencing factor between any two religions; if one religion believes God is a disembodied non-corporeal entity and another believes God was a door-to-door salesman in Detroit, those two ideas, in fact, represent two different religions.

NOI is probably most closely related to the Mormon Church, which believes Jesus was succeeded by a deadbeat debtor in 1830s Ohio who heard voices that told him he should have group sex with children and was eventually shoved off the top of a tall building by his own followers after he was unable to keep his pants zipped.

Your comparison is probably quite valid, and as long as Mormonism is accepted as somewhat odd but basically mainstream sub-genre of Christianity, so will NOI be a sub-genre of Islam that you cannot wish away.

Mormons believe the things that other Christians do, except that they add an additional visit by God in his "Jesus" avatar in the New World. Just trying to smooth out that Galileean favouritism. No reason Allah couldn't drop in for a revival meeting in Motown. He is all-powerful, you know.

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Members of the Nation of Islam believe that there is no God but Allah, as do other Muslims.

Interesting and unconventional idea. Actually, Christians and Jews also believe there is no God but God. So, according to your conspiracy theory, the Pope is Muslim.

NOI, by contrast, believes God was a door-to-door salesman who lived in Detroit in the 1930s and was bumped-off by a bookie over gambling debts. The identity of God is essentially the central differencing factor between any two religions; if one religion believes God is a disembodied non-corporeal entity and another believes God was a door-to-door salesman in Detroit, those two ideas, in fact, represent two different religions.

NOI is probably most closely related to the Mormon Church, which believes Jesus was succeeded by a deadbeat debtor in 1830s Ohio who heard voices that told him he should have group sex with children and was eventually shoved off the top of a tall building by his own followers after he was unable to keep his pants zipped.

Your comparison is probably quite valid, and as long as Mormonism is accepted as somewhat odd but basically mainstream sub-genre of Christianity, so will NOI be a sub-genre of Islam that you cannot wish away.

That would validate your conspiracy theory, except Mormonism is not accepted as a Christian sect, except in very limited instances in the U.S. only and then largely for political - instead of theological - reasons (the cult is based there and the cult's members constitute a large voting bloc, and historically they have murdered anyone who questions their credentials so people have become trained not to do so).

Here's an article called What are the Key Differences Between Mormonism and Christianity? by Sean McDowell, a professor of theology at Biola University. Even among the uneducated public, despite constant TV advertising by the cult, only 52% of Americans believe Mormonism is a Christian sect.

NOI worships a god named Wally Fard, Islam worships a god called al-Ism A'dham. Two groups worshiping different gods are, in fact, different religions. That's, like, the dictionary definition of a religion. Most first graders understand that.

Metsfanmax wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

A thread on a boxer has turned into a crash course in quantum physics. The only person who wins when that happens is Metsfanmax. Don't let it happen again.

We all win when we learn about quantum physics. It makes up the basis of our world, better get used to it.

I don't believe in your quantum physics bologna. Here's what makes up my world.

pretty impressive for the bow!