Conquer Club

demonfork wrote:I'm on my way to Shanghai

mrswdk wrote:

demonfork wrote:I'm on my way to Shanghai

Try not to pussy out and head home within the week like you did last time.

Metsfanmax wrote:ITT: random internet person disproves an entire sociological construction with an anecdotal experience in an airport.

Metsfanmax wrote:ITT: random internet person disproves an entire sociological construction with an anecdotal experience in an airport.

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:ITT: random internet person disproves an entire sociological construction with an anecdotal experience in an airport.

Separately, I wonder in 2016 how much wealth factors into fear/hate/differences than race or ethnicity.

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Metsfanmax wrote:ITT: random internet person disproves an entire sociological construction with an anecdotal experience in an airport.

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Hmm, seems like you're setting an impossible task. If I post any example of white people being privileged over any other race, you'll dismiss it as an example off hand as a "misfortune experienced by 'people of color', as you phrase it.

Still, let's try-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Is that a fair enough example?

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Hmm, seems like you're setting an impossible task. If I post any example of white people being privileged over any other race, you'll dismiss it as an example off hand as a "misfortune experienced by 'people of color', as you phrase it.

Still, let's try-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Is that a fair enough example?

That is a a fair example of institutional bias. But that's not really an example people use when invoking 'White Privilege'. 'Hey, you don't know what its like serving 20% more prison time than a white man.". Unless they are criminals neither do they. When people such as SJW and regressive left point out white privilege, alot of the time it's to invalidate any opinions or arguments a person has simply because they are white, and have never faced 'hardship from institutional oppression". They are making assumptions based of color which is racifist.

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Hmm, seems like you're setting an impossible task. If I post any example of white people being privileged over any other race, you'll dismiss it as an example off hand as a "misfortune experienced by 'people of color', as you phrase it.

Still, let's try-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Is that a fair enough example?

That is a a fair example of institutional bias. But that's not really an example people use when invoking 'White Privilege'. 'Hey, you don't know what its like serving 20% more prison time than a white man.". Unless they are criminals neither do they. When people such as SJW and regressive left point out white privilege, alot of the time it's to invalidate any opinions or arguments a person has simply because they are white, and have never faced 'hardship from institutional oppression". They are making assumptions based of color which is racifist.

Well, it's really not clear what you want here. Clearly the legal system is biased, so if the law privileges white folk, what else do you need?

Poverty levels? Voting rights?

You're really gonna have to throw me a bone as to what you won't dismiss out of hand again.

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Hmm, seems like you're setting an impossible task. If I post any example of white people being privileged over any other race, you'll dismiss it as an example off hand as a "misfortune experienced by 'people of color', as you phrase it.

Still, let's try-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Is that a fair enough example?

That is a a fair example of institutional bias. But that's not really an example people use when invoking 'White Privilege'. 'Hey, you don't know what its like serving 20% more prison time than a white man.". Unless they are criminals neither do they. When people such as SJW and regressive left point out white privilege, alot of the time it's to invalidate any opinions or arguments a person has simply because they are white, and have never faced 'hardship from institutional oppression". They are making assumptions based of color which is racifist.

Well, it's really not clear what you want here. Clearly the legal system is biased, so if the law privileges white folk, what else do you need?

Poverty levels? Voting rights?

You're really gonna have to throw me a bone as to what you won't dismiss out of hand again.

Less than one percent of USA is incarcerated. I feel like this is the ultimate grasping at straws. Ill concede that they are sentenced unfairly, but how about an injustice proportional to the outcry from those opposed to white privilege?

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:I think the notion that white people are the only ones to have it good is false. Look at the Asian demographic. Are Asians white? Are Asians benefiting from white privilege? They in fact out perform caucasians in terms of income, education, quality of life.

I would actually like to hear examples of White Privilage. Most if not all are derived from misfortune experienced by 'people of color'.

Hmm, seems like you're setting an impossible task. If I post any example of white people being privileged over any other race, you'll dismiss it as an example off hand as a "misfortune experienced by 'people of color', as you phrase it.

Still, let's try-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

Is that a fair enough example?

That is a a fair example of institutional bias. But that's not really an example people use when invoking 'White Privilege'. 'Hey, you don't know what its like serving 20% more prison time than a white man.". Unless they are criminals neither do they. When people such as SJW and regressive left point out white privilege, alot of the time it's to invalidate any opinions or arguments a person has simply because they are white, and have never faced 'hardship from institutional oppression". They are making assumptions based of color which is racifist.

Well, it's really not clear what you want here. Clearly the legal system is biased, so if the law privileges white folk, what else do you need?

Poverty levels? Voting rights?

You're really gonna have to throw me a bone as to what you won't dismiss out of hand again.

Less than one percent of USA is incarcerated. I feel like this is the ultimate grasping at straws. Ill concede that they are sentenced unfairly, but how about an injustice proportional to the outcry from those opposed to white privilege?

The US has the largest prison population on Earth. It's massively, disproportionate oh black. It imprisons at a higher rate than Soviet Russia under the height of the Gulag system.

If the stats are to be believed, roughly 1 in 6 African American men are, or have been jailed. That's a major problem, and an injustice. About 1 in 100 African American women.

Taken as a whole, that's horrific. I don't know if you've looked at the stats, but that has to be a level that's concerning.

For what it's worth, Clinton at least promised to tackle this.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Mandela the child killer. Nice hero.

-TG

william18 wrote:Im not gonna quote all that to make it easier on the eyes.

Firstly, I think Clinton is just pandaring to the black community, big time. Her top two political leaders as she mentioned were Obama and Mandella. Not democratic heroes like Franklin Roosevelt.

Not only that, but considering that Hilary Clinton has accepted money from prison lobbyists, I doubt she will try to reduce prison population, hence cutting into prison revenue.

It's unfortunate that blacks are the majority in jail, but I think instead of going on wild goose chases in the form of trying to identify and fix instances of oppression in legislation, they should address the reality that many left wingers fail to accept: gang culture.

I'm not sure if you have the equivalent of Chicago or Baltimore in the UK, but kids in these areas are born into gang culture. Poverty and dismal education is the main culprit, as well as the viscous cycle of single mothers, and families resorting to crime to make ends meet. These kids don't want to be clutching a 9mm on the street whenever a vehicle with tinted windows pulls up. Equalizing the sentences isn't going to help them get off the streets.

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:Im not gonna quote all that to make it easier on the eyes.

Firstly, I think Clinton is just pandaring to the black community, big time. Her top two political leaders as she mentioned were Obama and Mandella. Not democratic heroes like Franklin Roosevelt.

Not only that, but considering that Hilary Clinton has accepted money from prison lobbyists, I doubt she will try to reduce prison population, hence cutting into prison revenue.

It's unfortunate that blacks are the majority in jail, but I think instead of going on wild goose chases in the form of trying to identify and fix instances of oppression in legislation, they should address the reality that many left wingers fail to accept: gang culture.

I'm not sure if you have the equivalent of Chicago or Baltimore in the UK, but kids in these areas are born into gang culture. Poverty and dismal education is the main culprit, as well as the viscous cycle of single mothers, and families resorting to crime to make ends meet. These kids don't want to be clutching a 9mm on the street whenever a vehicle with tinted windows pulls up. Equalizing the sentences isn't going to help them get off the streets.

You can't embed that many quoutes in a post. That's just a thing. I don't make the rules, but that's what they are. Cute that you tried to pretend it was deliberate though.

I'm glad to see that you've latched on to the major issues at least. Endemic poverty and a legal system that is inherently biased. I am curious though, do you see a connection?

I mean, you've accepted that the legal system is unfair, and that black families are disproportionately affected, right? Do you think that has no effect on kids?

I'm curious, as you seem to have backed into a corner with this. Either jailing African Americans at a far far higher rate leads to the problems you bring up, say single-mums, poverty, and gangs, or it doesn't.

If it doesn't, can you even argue that you're being realistic anymore?

william18 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:Im not gonna quote all that to make it easier on the eyes.

Firstly, I think Clinton is just pandaring to the black community, big time. Her top two political leaders as she mentioned were Obama and Mandella. Not democratic heroes like Franklin Roosevelt.

Not only that, but considering that Hilary Clinton has accepted money from prison lobbyists, I doubt she will try to reduce prison population, hence cutting into prison revenue.

It's unfortunate that blacks are the majority in jail, but I think instead of going on wild goose chases in the form of trying to identify and fix instances of oppression in legislation, they should address the reality that many left wingers fail to accept: gang culture.

I'm not sure if you have the equivalent of Chicago or Baltimore in the UK, but kids in these areas are born into gang culture. Poverty and dismal education is the main culprit, as well as the viscous cycle of single mothers, and families resorting to crime to make ends meet. These kids don't want to be clutching a 9mm on the street whenever a vehicle with tinted windows pulls up. Equalizing the sentences isn't going to help them get off the streets.

You can't embed that many quoutes in a post. That's just a thing. I don't make the rules, but that's what they are. Cute that you tried to pretend it was deliberate though.

I'm glad to see that you've latched on to the major issues at least. Endemic poverty and a legal system that is inherently biased. I am curious though, do you see a connection?

I mean, you've accepted that the legal system is unfair, and that black families are disproportionately affected, right? Do you think that has no effect on kids?

I'm curious, as you seem to have backed into a corner with this. Either jailing African Americans at a far far higher rate leads to the problems you bring up, say single-mums, poverty, and gangs, or it doesn't.

If it doesn't, can you even argue that you're being realistic anymore?

I didn't actually attempt to quote it, i haven't been on this forum for a while, so that must be a coincidence.

On the case of imprisonment it very well does affect the black community. But they are breaking the law aren't they? I would rather we made efforts to implement initiatives that can enrich communities and stop crime, instead of playing with sentence lengths.

Symmetry wrote:

william18 wrote:Im not gonna quote all that to make it easier on the eyes.

Firstly, I think Clinton is just pandaring to the black community, big time. Her top two political leaders as she mentioned were Obama and Mandella. Not democratic heroes like Franklin Roosevelt.

Not only that, but considering that Hilary Clinton has accepted money from prison lobbyists, I doubt she will try to reduce prison population, hence cutting into prison revenue.

It's unfortunate that blacks are the majority in jail, but I think instead of going on wild goose chases in the form of trying to identify and fix instances of oppression in legislation, they should address the reality that many left wingers fail to accept: gang culture.

I'm not sure if you have the equivalent of Chicago or Baltimore in the UK, but kids in these areas are born into gang culture. Poverty and dismal education is the main culprit, as well as the viscous cycle of single mothers, and families resorting to crime to make ends meet. These kids don't want to be clutching a 9mm on the street whenever a vehicle with tinted windows pulls up. Equalizing the sentences isn't going to help them get off the streets.

You can't embed that many quoutes in a post. That's just a thing. I don't make the rules, but that's what they are. Cute that you tried to pretend it was deliberate though.

I'm glad to see that you've latched on to the major issues at least. Endemic poverty and a legal system that is inherently biased. I am curious though, do you see a connection?

I mean, you've accepted that the legal system is unfair, and that black families are disproportionately affected, right? Do you think that has no effect on kids?

I'm curious, as you seem to have backed into a corner with this. Either jailing African Americans at a far far higher rate leads to the problems you bring up, say single-mums, poverty, and gangs, or it doesn't.

If it doesn't, can you even argue that you're being realistic anymore?