Conquer Club

notyou2 wrote:So Ted Cruz wants to block Christian Syrian refugees from entering the US.

Wow, an immigrant blocking immigrants.





What a hypocrite.

riskllama wrote:i think i heard on the radio today that 10 states are saying "nope" to syrian refugees after the paris attacks...lame.

Metsfanmax wrote:In 2014, Ted Cruz welcomed Syrian refugees.

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:In 2014, Ted Cruz welcomed Syrian refugees.

Holy shit! Hypocrisy and pandering in politics?!?! This is a new development only applicable to Republicans!

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/will- ... olitically

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:In 2014, Ted Cruz welcomed Syrian refugees.

Holy shit! Hypocrisy and pandering in politics?!?! This is a new development only applicable to Republicans!

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/will- ... olitically

Here's a rule of thumb I have about politics: if your first instinct, when someone criticizes a member of a particular party, is to criticize a member of the opposite party in response, then you don't get to complain about how partisan Washington is.

thegreekdog wrote:I also have a rule of thumb: If you criticize a member of a particular party for changing his or her mind on a particular issue because of an intervening event or because he or she wants to pander to a particular bloc of voters (or really for any reason), when a member of the particular political party you support has probably already done it, you should probably just focus on the issue and not on the changing position.

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:I also have a rule of thumb: If you criticize a member of a particular party for changing his or her mind on a particular issue because of an intervening event or because he or she wants to pander to a particular bloc of voters (or really for any reason), when a member of the particular political party you support has probably already done it, you should probably just focus on the issue and not on the changing position.

I expect better reasoning from you. My post wasn't about the Republican Party, it was about Ted Cruz. You know, the guy whose name is in the thread title. You're the one making this a party issue. If I want to criticize a politician for some action, in a thread about that politician and that action, I should be able to do it regardless of the party they are from or what party I support. If you can't deal with that without turning it into a party politics discussion, then you're invited to leave the conversation and go participate in one where you might contribute something valuable.

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:I also have a rule of thumb: If you criticize a member of a particular party for changing his or her mind on a particular issue because of an intervening event or because he or she wants to pander to a particular bloc of voters (or really for any reason), when a member of the particular political party you support has probably already done it, you should probably just focus on the issue and not on the changing position.

I expect better reasoning from you. My post wasn't about the Republican Party, it was about Ted Cruz. You know, the guy whose name is in the thread title. You're the one making this a party issue. If I want to criticize a politician for some action, in a thread about that politician and that action, I should be able to do it regardless of the party they are from or what party I support. If you can't deal with that without turning it into a party politics discussion, then you're invited to leave the conversation and go participate in one where you might contribute something valuable.

I'm fine with you criticizing Ted Cruz for vowing to block Syrian refugees. I've done so myself. I'm not fine with you criticizing Ted Cruz for first welcoming Syrian refugees and then changing his mind (for whatever the reason). That kind of smells like hypocrisy given how frequently politicians do it, including the politicians you support (presumably). I'm sure you criticized President Obama in 2008 for not being in favor of gay marriage. I'm not so sure you criticized President Obama for changing his mind in favoring gay marriage simply because he changed his mind.

If you posted the link to criticize Ted Cruz for blocking Syrian refugees, good for you and I agree. If, instead, you posted the link to criticize Ted Cruz for changing his mind to pander to voters (which is what I think you did because, well...) then my reasoning is outstanding. I'm not making it a party issue, I'm making it a "c'mon dude, seriously?" issue.

Metsfanmax wrote:You've got to know me well enough by now that I have zero interest in scoring random internet points by making fun of Ted Cruz for changing his mind.

Metsfanmax wrote:I'm not criticizing Ted Cruz "because he changed his mind," I'm criticizing Ted Cruz because he used to believe the right thing and now no longer believes it

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I'm not criticizing Ted Cruz "because he changed his mind," I'm criticizing Ted Cruz because he used to believe the right thing and now no longer believes it

Because he changed his mind. To score political capital. Which happens all the time. Which is why I'm giving you shit.

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I'm not criticizing Ted Cruz "because he changed his mind," I'm criticizing Ted Cruz because he used to believe the right thing and now no longer believes it

Because he changed his mind. To score political capital. Which happens all the time. Which is why I'm giving you shit.

thegreekdog wrote:No, in TGD fantasy land we say "Ted Cruz shouldn't block Syrian refugees." And that's really all that needs to be said.

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:No, in TGD fantasy land we say "Ted Cruz shouldn't block Syrian refugees." And that's really all that needs to be said.

Interesting, then, that you didn't actually say that, despite having the opportunity. And then, when I posted and you had another opportunity to participate and agree that Ted Cruz shouldn't block Syrian refugees, you decided to criticize me, instead of Ted Cruz.

You are not some high-minded, intellectual thinker who has successfully risen above the fray; you're just a normal jackass.

Metsfanmax wrote:More importantly, if you're going to pick a Democratic flip-flop to make your point, pick one more recent than 2012. There's plenty to choose from. Picking one that old just makes you look out of touch.

thegreekdog wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:No, in TGD fantasy land we say "Ted Cruz shouldn't block Syrian refugees." And that's really all that needs to be said.

Interesting, then, that you didn't actually say that, despite having the opportunity. And then, when I posted and you had another opportunity to participate and agree that Ted Cruz shouldn't block Syrian refugees, you decided to criticize me, instead of Ted Cruz.

You are not some high-minded, intellectual thinker who has successfully risen above the fray; you're just a normal jackass.

I did it like 3 posts ago. Perhaps that was too late to comfort you, although in my defense no one was supporting or defending Ted Cruz in this thread. I went into this thread thinking someone would be defending him that I could pounce on. Instead, I found your post adding an irrelevant and hypocritical viewpoint to the whole issue.

But let's keep fighting about this. Eventually I'll have to go to sleep so you'll have won by default.

Metsfanmax wrote:More importantly, if you're going to pick a Democratic flip-flop to make your point, pick one more recent than 2012. There's plenty to choose from. Picking one that old just makes you look out of touch.

To be honest, the first flip-flop that came to mind was Rand Paul acting like a Christian coalition conservative warmonger in the last couple of days. I'm waiting for him to start calling for drone strikes against Syrian refugees. But I needed to pick one from someone you liked and I couldn't pick Bernie Sanders (because I don't think he's ever flip-flopped) and I'm fairly certain you're not a big Clinton fan.

Bernie Sanders wrote:Yep, Bernie Sanders does not flip flop, cause I trip when I wear them. But, continue on please.

Metsfanmax wrote:Actually, TGD, I don't like Sanders either. Talks about the right issues, sounds kind of stupid when talking about them.

notyou2 wrote:So Ted Cruz wants to block Christian Syrian refugees from entering the US.

Wow, an immigrant blocking immigrants.





What a hypocrite.

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