Conquer Club

Who has the purest water on the face of the planet????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/win ... 92&ref=yfp

South Dakota, Baby!

Another reason to oppose the Keystone Pipeline through our pristine state. If you support the Keystone Pipeline...basically, f*ck you...because you ain't from my state! Run that fucking thing through downtown Minneapolis or New York City if they want a pipeline so bad!

not in my back yard, motherfuckers.

where were you when it was someone else's yard?

khazalid wrote:not in my back yard, motherfuckers.

where were you when it was someone else's yard?

Explain.

DaGip wrote:

khazalid wrote:not in my back yard, motherfuckers.

where were you when it was someone else's yard?

Explain.

Did you oppose the Alaska pipeline?
Did you oppose the Mackenzie Valley pipeline?
DId you oppose the Pelican Island offloading facility?
Did you oppose the LOOP pumping platform?
Did you oppose the Gryazovets-Vybord gas pipeline?
Did you oppose the Dalian Pipe?
Did you oppose the Trans Mountain pipeline?
Did you oppose the Pegasus pipeline?
Did you oppose the Mtwara Dar es Salaam pipeline?
Did you oppose offshore drilling in Campeche?
Did you oppose the BTC pipe going through the Fergana Valley?
Did you oppose the Sarroch Oil Terminal?

All around the world, people are seeing their neighbourhoods torn up, so that the fuel you burn in your car, and the gas you heat your house with, can be as cheap as possible. Suddenly a pipe is going through your neighbourhood, and you're upset. Either pipelines are good, we all want cheap fuel, and your neighbourhood should be doing its share to help out, or oil pipelines are bad, and we should all start carrying our gas from Azerbaijan in jerrycans.

Choose A or B, but it can't be both.

Dukasaur wrote:

DaGip wrote:

khazalid wrote:not in my back yard, motherfuckers.

where were you when it was someone else's yard?

Explain.

Did you oppose the Alaska pipeline?
Did you oppose the Mackenzie Valley pipeline?
DId you oppose the Pelican Island offloading facility?
Did you oppose the LOOP pumping platform?
Did you oppose the Gryazovets-Vybord gas pipeline?
Did you oppose the Dalian Pipe?
Did you oppose the Trans Mountain pipeline?
Did you oppose the Pegasus pipeline?
Did you oppose the Mtwara Dar es Salaam pipeline?
Did you oppose offshore drilling in Campeche?
Did you oppose the BTC pipe going through the Fergana Valley?
Did you oppose the Sarroch Oil Terminal?

All around the world, people are seeing their neighbourhoods torn up, so that the fuel you burn in your car, and the gas you heat your house with, can be as cheap as possible. Suddenly a pipe is going through your neighbourhood, and you're upset. Either pipelines are good, we all want cheap fuel, and your neighbourhood should be doing its share to help out, or oil pipelines are bad, and we should all start carrying our gas from Azerbaijan in jerrycans.

Choose A or B, but it can't be both.

I don't remember any of those being publicized as much as Keystone. Also, Keystone will be carrying tar sands...the dirtiest form of oil. South Dakota not only has the purest water in the world, but it also homes the largest underground aquifer in the country.

South Dakota also makes ethanol fuel. Maybe we need to focus more on biofuels?

They can move the pipeline over Minnesota. Let them deal with it. Or...why don't they do what they are already doing? Just put it on a train and take it to port? Canadians are smart. They can figure this out without running a pipeline down our throats.

If they dont want a pipeline then just close all the petrols station and power stations.

Problem solved

ha yeah, blame canada...

You can say DaGip should've opposed the pipelines in other parts of the world he wasn't familiar with, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The human race is known for its reactive behaviour. DaGip is no exception, neither are you and neither am I. For the record, I've never heard of any of these pipelines before this thread appeared.

I watched a documentary about a group of about 3000 people in central Africa today. They need help. Damn, they need help asap otherwise a lot of their children will die of hunger/thurst. It's awful and there should at least be awareness about the problem.
There are numerous other regions in Africa where the same/even larger problems are dealt with on a daily basis. Mentioning the problems in central Africa doesn't invalidate my point at all, though. Adding extra points to the table makes the problem seem bigger (than it already was).

I kindof don't oppose any of it. I think it's a little snoody to oppose any progress, whether it affects you personally or not. We are simply too short-sited as a race to prevent this sort of thing. Let the spice flow!

Minnesota doesn't want it. We have a beautiful state. South Dakota sucks. It's boring other than Sturgis and Dead Wood.

But isn't it winter in Minnesota like nine months out of the year? The thing will be buried in snow most of the time so who cares?

I'm all for laying some pipe...

-TG

Hahah, worried about a pipeline through your neighborhood but ignore that the oil is already going through your neighborhood anyway!

The Keystone pipeline isn't going to just move Canadian oil, but also North Dakota oil. All the oil is being moved anyway without the pipeline, moved by rail mostly. A more expensive mode of transportation and more dangerous than a pipeline. The rail moving all the oil is the BNSF (Burlington Northern Santa Fe railway company) which is owned by Berkshire Hathaway which is owned by Warren Buffett.

In the last year or so there have been at least two derailments which spilled large amounts of oil all over the place. Also, there are about 5 or 6 deaths a year attributed to the railway from auto accidents (which given the total number of Americans killed every day on our roads makes those few deaths meaningless really) which would be avoided by a pipeline.

There are pros and cons with a pipeline but it's funny coming out against the pipeline when there are trains going right through your town carrying the oil that would be carried by the pipeline. Those trains are traveling over tracks that cross over roads, through populated areas and are known to without a doubt on occasion derail resulting in the spillage of oil. The next train derailment could be in your town. I don't hear anyone bitching about those trains clackety clacking through your town even though when there is no question on if another train is going to derail. That's a given, the only questions are when and where the next derailment is going to be. Hey! The next one might be in your town OP!

Either way, the oil is going through your neighborhood. Do you want it going through a pipe through a designated area where spills can be easily contained if they happen or would your rather the oil be put on trains going 30-60 miles an hour where you have idiots every single day ignoring train crossing trying to "beat the train" or drunk train conductors who take a turn too fast and derail their ride and spilling the oil all over the fucking place?

In fact, according to Federal data, more oil was spilling from train derailments in 2013 than the entire four decades before combined. Hahahah! 1.15 million gallons spilled from derailments in 2013 and from 1975-2012 8oo,ooo gallons were spilled.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... U90rakGu9A

So yeah, who needs those dirty old pipelines leaking oil all over the place when we can have big old trains falling off the tracks spilling oil all over the place.

Oh, and here is the BSNF railway, you see all those red lines? On every single one of them every single day there are trains a hundred cars long in some cases carrying oil. Each of those cars can hold something like 28,000 or so gallons of oil and on each train there will be 20 to a 100 cars carrying oil.



Hey! Look at that! A whole crapload of lines are right there in North Dakota crisscrossing the state. Imagine that.

DaGip wrote:Who has the purest water on the face of the planet????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/win ... 92&ref=yfp

South Dakota, Baby!

Another reason to oppose the Keystone Pipeline through our pristine state. If you support the Keystone Pipeline...basically, f*ck you...because you ain't from my state! Run that fucking thing through downtown Minneapolis or New York City if they want a pipeline so bad!

F*ck your water, I have the right to access gasoline 19 cents cheaper. That may not sound like a lot, but my people collectively will save billions. We'll send you a case of bottled water.

Bye Felicia

So, risking war with the Lakota Nation is worth forcing your pipeline down our mouths? On top of that, many farmers will be forced to let the pipeline through their fields. Even worse than that, tar sands are the WORST form of oil and is causing harm to those parts of Canada. Sorry, ain't happening here...no way...no how. Find a different route, different transport measure...but leave our lands alone!

DaGip wrote:So, risking war with the Lakota Nation is worth forcing your pipeline down our mouths? On top of that, many farmers will be forced to let the pipeline through their fields. Even worse than that, tar sands are the WORST form of oil and is causing harm to those parts of Canada. Sorry, ain't happening here...no way...no how. Find a different route, different transport measure...but leave our lands alone!

Did you even read patches post?

Are you happy continuing to have a couple major spills from derailments every year?

Dukasaur wrote:

DaGip wrote:So, risking war with the Lakota Nation is worth forcing your pipeline down our mouths? On top of that, many farmers will be forced to let the pipeline through their fields. Even worse than that, tar sands are the WORST form of oil and is causing harm to those parts of Canada. Sorry, ain't happening here...no way...no how. Find a different route, different transport measure...but leave our lands alone!

Did you even read patches post?

Are you happy continuing to have a couple major spills from derailments every year?

As long as they are going through Niagara, I'm okay with it.

"Risking war with the Lakota Nation..."

Lol

-TG

you're looking at it from the wrong perspective DaGip.

You need to milk the pipeline. Install your hidden valve while they're in construction, so they don't notice.

DaGip wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

DaGip wrote:So, risking war with the Lakota Nation is worth forcing your pipeline down our mouths? On top of that, many farmers will be forced to let the pipeline through their fields. Even worse than that, tar sands are the WORST form of oil and is causing harm to those parts of Canada. Sorry, ain't happening here...no way...no how. Find a different route, different transport measure...but leave our lands alone!

Did you even read patches post?

Are you happy continuing to have a couple major spills from derailments every year?

As long as they are going through Niagara, I'm okay with it.

Except they're not going through Niagara, they're going through your neighbourhood right now. Choo! Choo! That's the sound of poison, rushing at you at 90 miles an hour!

Most dangerous thing we have here is American frigates with nuclear depth charges on board going through the canal. No biggie.

Oh yeah, and drunken pilots from the Air National Guard base in Lockport used to invade Canadian airspace, overflying our fields and scaring the chickens. I haven't seen them in many years, though. I think some budget cutbacks either closed the base or at least reduced the number of flights.

We put all our nuclear stuff in Scotland. Clever thinking.

Dagip, oil from your fields in North Dakota was destined by rail to a refinery near me. It derailed and killed 47 people in Quebec.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster


https://www.google.ca/search?q=quebec+train+derailment&client=firefox-a&hs=4lY&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDYQsARqFQoTCMuLvuz60ccCFYN5PgodDoUJ8Q&biw=1366&bih=610

notyou2 wrote:Dagip, oil from your fields in North Dakota was destined by rail to a refinery near me. It derailed and killed 47 people in Quebec.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster


https://www.google.ca/search?q=quebec+train+derailment&client=firefox-a&hs=4lY&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDYQsARqFQoTCMuLvuz60ccCFYN5PgodDoUJ8Q&biw=1366&bih=610

They're not my fields in North Dakota...I'm from South Dakota. Maybe the oil companies and railroads should have thought about the safety concerns before hand? They wanted to put a refinery in Elkton, SD...but the farmers got a law firm to represent them. They won, and the refinery lost.

You can build your pipeline...it's just not running through South Dakota...sorry.

Too much opposition here.

I never said I was for the pipeline. Besides, why should we send our resources elsewhere to be refined? We need the jobs.