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Postby reverend_kyle on Thu May 24, 2007 1:31 am

same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.
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Postby lord twiggy1 on Thu May 24, 2007 1:32 am

ehat other thread
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Postby reverend_kyle on Thu May 24, 2007 1:32 am

the analytical trig thread.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu May 24, 2007 8:15 am

I use a calculator.
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Postby wicked on Thu May 24, 2007 8:16 am

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Re: smart people--the complex roots thread

Postby Syzygy on Thu May 24, 2007 9:34 am

reverend_kyle wrote:same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.


In ax^2+bx+c=0, <-What in this???

The discriminant not be a square or 0.

b^2-4ac cannot be 0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49 and so on...
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Re: smart people--the complex roots thread

Postby alex_white101 on Thu May 24, 2007 9:37 am

Syzygy wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.


In ax^2+bx+c=0, <-What in this???

The discriminant not be a square or 0.

b^2-4ac cannot be 0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49 and so on...


yah, it depends how you are given the problems. im actually revising the complex roots of unity at the mo, its not too bad, as long as you can visualise where the roots are just draw them out on an argand diagram and its easy enough.
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Re: smart people--the complex roots thread

Postby Huckleberryhound on Thu May 24, 2007 9:40 am

reverend_kyle wrote:same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.


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Postby johnnyrotten on Thu May 24, 2007 9:42 am

b^2-4ac>0 ==> 2 real solutions (or roots)
b^2-4ac=0 ==> 1 real ("repeated") solution
b^2-4ac<0 ==> 0 real solutions.

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Re: smart people--the complex roots thread

Postby Syzygy on Thu May 24, 2007 9:46 am

alex_white101 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.


In ax^2+bx+c=0, <-What in this???

The discriminant not be a square or 0.

b^2-4ac cannot be 0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49 and so on...


yah, it depends how you are given the problems. im actually revising the complex roots of unity at the mo, its not too bad, as long as you can visualise where the roots are just draw them out on an argand diagram and its easy enough.


Ah crap, he said complex roots as in non-real roots, and NOT irrational roots like I said above....

In that case, let me rephrase... ax^2 + bx + c has discriminant of
D = b^2 − 4ac;

b^2 − 4ac<0 for the roots to be complex.
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Postby Syzygy on Thu May 24, 2007 9:47 am

johnnyrotten wrote:b^2-4ac>0 ==> 2 real solutions (or roots)
b^2-4ac=0 ==> 1 real ("repeated") solution
b^2-4ac<0 ==> 0 real solutions.

That how I know it.


That's right.

When it's less than 0 you get no real solutions, but you do get 2 complex solutions.
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Re: smart people--the complex roots thread

Postby alex_white101 on Thu May 24, 2007 9:49 am

Syzygy wrote:
alex_white101 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:same thing as the other thread except how do you find complex roots.


In ax^2+bx+c=0, <-What in this???

The discriminant not be a square or 0.

b^2-4ac cannot be 0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49 and so on...


yah, it depends how you are given the problems. im actually revising the complex roots of unity at the mo, its not too bad, as long as you can visualise where the roots are just draw them out on an argand diagram and its easy enough.


Ah crap, he said complex roots as in non-real roots, and NOT irrational roots like I said above....

In that case, let me rephrase... ax^2 + bx + c has discriminant of
D = b^2 − 4ac;

b^2 − 4ac<0 for the roots to be complex.


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Postby Aimless on Thu May 24, 2007 3:28 pm

Syzygy wrote:
johnnyrotten wrote:b^2-4ac>0 ==> 2 real solutions (or roots)
b^2-4ac=0 ==> 1 real ("repeated") solution
b^2-4ac<0 ==> 0 real solutions.

That how I know it.


That's right.

When it's less than 0 you get no real solutions, but you do get 2 complex solutions.


Only if you assume you are working with a quadratic.

Finding complex roots for the general case is much, much harder.
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Postby d.gishman on Thu May 24, 2007 7:17 pm

use de moivre's theorem
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