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Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 3:08 am**

who voted in the uk local elections and who did you vote for?

SNP myself

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 4:47 am**

isn't it supposed to be confidential

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 5:26 am**

diddle wrote:isn't it supposed to be confidential

If you want, but nothing stopping you telling others. I would have voted Labour, but 2 months too young. Gotta wait till '09 now

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 6:05 am**

lib dems, I would have voted green but there wasn't one standing for me

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2007 6:16 am**

gordon1975 wrote:who voted in the uk local elections and who did you vote for?

SNP myself

May I ask why? (out of interest - I've never really spoke to an SNP supporter before, all of of Scottish friends either don't vote at all or vote for someone else).

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 5:21 am**

not sure if i want indepedance yet ,but being a a scot it gives us more teeth to bite blairs hand,shakes things up a little,witch is always a good thing

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 5:50 am**

gordon1975 wrote:not sure if i want indepedance yet ,but being a a scot it gives us more teeth to bite blairs hand,shakes things up a little,witch is always a good thing

Blair, pfft, not much longer

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 7:21 am**

if scotland does go for indepedance would the english still want brown as there next prime minister?

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 10:27 am**

gordon1975 wrote:if scotland does go for indepedance would the english still want brown as there next prime minister?

They wont be able to have him. Firstly, his constituency atm is in Scotland. Secondly, im not sure about this, but I think you have to be born in the UK to be PM. If Scotland goes independant, he wasn born in the UK. Goes down to technicalities then.

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 1:01 pm**

aye brown wouldn't even be in parliament, nevermind pm. although i don't think the english (or the scots, for that matter) particularly want him as pm anyway

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 1:11 pm**

i doubt scotland is going to get there independance though.

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 5:29 pm**

Well the cabinet is going to change loads when Brown comes in. Reid out, Blair out, Prescott out, Bekett may be out, some other Blairites and oldies maybe out. Brown is going to bring in loads of youngish MP's I think to get a new image for Labout before 09/10.

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 6:28 pm**

In all seriousness, independence within the next 10-20 years isn't even slightly on the cards for any party. Its not just a case of saying' Hey we're a different country now...' Obviously devolution has given a lot of independence to the Scots already, but a serious plan would probably be in a time-scale of decades. Brown's political career will be good and over by that time.

Anyway, that's by the by... The current political situation in Scotland rules out independence entirely. Either the SNP will have a minority government and push for independence, opposed by the Lib Dems, the Tories AND Labour else they'll form a coalition with the Lib Dems and the Greens, but abandon their nationalist policies (the Lib Dems have ruled out any co-operation with independence).

As for Brown's cabinet, I'm pretty hopeful about a good change. I'm a Labour supporter and although the Tories have got a massive hill to clime I really hope the party can pull together and knock them back down it again. Hopefully then the next time they try and climb that hill it'll be in their old right-wing, boom-and-bust economy boots, not dressed up as a bogus Green-looking Blair.

The problem for me is people who will vote Tory because they don't want Labour. I'm all for democracy and the right to vote for who you want in power, but it should be that - who you want not who you don't want... I think Cameron will get too many votes because of issues like Iraq and Cash for Honours when people really aren't considering what kind of policies the Tories will have, and their record in charge of the country. He could probably do fairly well with the single campaign statement of 'I'm not Blair'. Thats a massive shame.

In other news, my home council, true blue-blood Tory since the early 1980a, recently fell to the Lib Dems on protest votes against Labour, so I guess some good can come out of it... Neither had a chance of knocking the Tories out by themselves, but Blair managed to piss just enough people off that we might have a better council for a while at least.

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 6:34 pm**

Guiscard wrote:In other news, my home council, true blue-blood Tory since the early 1980a, recently fell to the Lib Dems on protest votes against Labour, so I guess some good can come out of it... Neither had a chance of knocking the Tories out by themselves, but Blair managed to piss just enough people off that we might have a better council for a while at least.

Really? Are you talking about Leeds? A Tory council?

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 6:36 pm**

Stopper wrote:
Guiscard wrote:In other news, my home council, true blue-blood Tory since the early 1980a, recently fell to the Lib Dems on protest votes against Labour, so I guess some good can come out of it... Neither had a chance of knocking the Tories out by themselves, but Blair managed to piss just enough people off that we might have a better council for a while at least.

Really? Are you talking about Leeds? A Tory council?

No... I;m at Uni in Leeds. My (childhood) home is in Hinckley and Bosworth, home to David Tredennick MP - one of the Cash for Questions guys and an unending advocate of Health Food, Acupuncture and Anti-Semitism!

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 6:42 pm**

Guiscard wrote:
Stopper wrote:
Guiscard wrote:In other news, my home council, true blue-blood Tory since the early 1980a, recently fell to the Lib Dems on protest votes against Labour, so I guess some good can come out of it... Neither had a chance of knocking the Tories out by themselves, but Blair managed to piss just enough people off that we might have a better council for a while at least.

Really? Are you talking about Leeds? A Tory council?

No... I;m at Uni in Leeds. My (childhood) home is in Hinckley and Bosworth, home to David Tredennick MP - one of the Cash for Questions guys and an unending advocate of Health Food, Acupuncture and Anti-Semitism!

Oh, I see. You had me seriously confused for a minute there. Your MP sounds like he has some intriguing ideas, and I'd like to subscribe to his newsletter.

Posted: **Sun May 06, 2007 8:13 pm**

Stopper wrote:Oh, I see. You had me seriously confused for a minute there. Your MP sounds like he has some intriguing ideas, and I'd like to subscribe to his newsletter.

Well... Maybe you could start with this blog by Stephen Pollard (writes for the Times sometimes)... He's pretty militant about throwing accusations of Anti-Semitism around, but this is still rather amusing (if complete incompetence in an official consistently elected since 1987 is funny):

Further to my post below about Sir Peter Tapsell, one of his Tory colleagues, David Tredinnick, a man who has a reputation of being seriously thick, confirms his stupidy with this contribution to yesterday's Adjournment Debate:

"Why are we in such a mess? I have referred to the Foreign Secretary, but let me talk for a while about the Prime Minister's special envoy to the middle east, the noble Lord Levy. He has not visited a single Arab country—I have looked it up—but he has made copious visits to Israel, of which he is clearly a strong supporter, with a business and relations there. He is supposed to be impartial. Why did the Prime Minister not choose someone who is an old Arab hand and really knows his way around the middle east? If we go to the Spinwatch website, we find that apparently, when the noble Lord took on his other role to raise large sums of money for the Labour party, it was on the "tacit understanding that Labour would never again, while Blair was leader, be anti-Israel".

I have done a rough check on Library figures, and about a quarter to a third of all the money raised in loans for the Labour party since the noble Lord has been involved has come from pro-Israeli supporters. When we have thousands of our troops in Arab countries, is it possible that there is a link between the Labour party being short of money and British foreign policy in support of the Israeli position? Is it possible that the Government are conveniently ignoring our interests in the wider Arab world because of Labour's domestic difficulties? I hope that someone will investigate this important matter.

I hold no brief for Lord Levy, as anyone who has read my pieces in the Mail will know. But clearly Mr Treddinick is either a liar or an idiot, since he says he has looked up his claim that Lord Levy has not visited a single Arab country.

Yeah, right. In two seconds flat I found this parliamentary answer from 2000:

Mr. Maude: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when he held discussions with Lord Levy about Lord Levy's visits to the Middle East dated (a) 9 to 10 April 1999, visit to Syria, (b) 5 to 7 June 1999, visit to Jordan, (c) 7 to 10 June 1999, visit to Syria, (d) 8 October 1999, visit to Egypt, (e) 9 to 11 October 1999, visit to Oman, (f) 11 and 12 October 1999, visit to Qatar, (g) 12 to 14 October 1999, visit to Bahrain, (h) 29 November to 1 December 1999, visit to Syria, (i) 2 and 3 February, visit to Syria, (j) 3 February, visit to Lebanon and (k) 3 February, visit to Egypt. [113877]

Mr. Hain [holding answer 7 March 2000]: Lord Levy's visits are reported to the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary, in person by Lord Levy and by telegram from the Ambassador in the country concerned.

Or maybe there's a third explanation. As well as being a liar, or stupid, David Tredinnick is so rabid an antisemite that he doesn't even see the truth when it's out there in front of him. The prima facie evidence is there, when he talks about 'pro-Israeli supporters'. He can't possibly know the personal political views of Labour donors wooed by Lord Levy...unless, that is, by 'pro-Israeli supporters' he means what it's blindingly obvious he means: JEWS. He's looked up the proportion with Jewish names, hasn't he?

And he's saying that those bloody Jews have bought foreign policy with their lucre. Here we go again. I wonder if his pair used to be Tam Dalyell.

Actually I think it's much simpler than any of the above. He's a moronic tit.

(There. Personal abuse isn't that clever. But sometimes it just feels right.)

And even Byron Criddle in the Torygraph: "a tall angular stiff-necked, red-faced ex-Guards officer and loss-making member of Lloyds, one of the few sleaze-tainted - in his case cash-for-questions - Conservative MPs to survive the 1997 Tory wipe-out."

(I don't have a weird dossier on him, I just copied these from an email I sent to a friend in Australia a few days ago who was telling me about her bizarre BBQ-based local politics...)

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 5:53 am**

And even Byron Criddle in the Torygraph: "a tall angular stiff-necked, red-faced ex-Guards officer and loss-making member of Lloyds, one of the few sleaze-tainted - in his case cash-for-questions - Conservative MPs to survive the 1997 Tory wipe-out."

Torygraph, love it.

No... I;m at Uni in Leeds. My (childhood) home is in Hinckley and Bosworth, home to David Tredennick MP - one of the Cash for Questions guys and an unending advocate of Health Food, Acupuncture and Anti-Semitism!

Woot! You live near me. Sucks, Charnwood has gone to the Tories. At least I wont be around while they screw the town up.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 6:50 am**

Titanic wrote:
And even Byron Criddle in the Torygraph: "a tall angular stiff-necked, red-faced ex-Guards officer and loss-making member of Lloyds, one of the few sleaze-tainted - in his case cash-for-questions - Conservative MPs to survive the 1997 Tory wipe-out."

Torygraph, love it.

No... I;m at Uni in Leeds. My (childhood) home is in Hinckley and Bosworth, home to David Tredennick MP - one of the Cash for Questions guys and an unending advocate of Health Food, Acupuncture and Anti-Semitism!

Woot! You live near me. Sucks, Charnwood has gone to the Tories. At least I wont be around while they screw the town up.

Lol. LE10 > LE11

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 8:16 am**

Guiscard wrote:
Titanic wrote:
And even Byron Criddle in the Torygraph: "a tall angular stiff-necked, red-faced ex-Guards officer and loss-making member of Lloyds, one of the few sleaze-tainted - in his case cash-for-questions - Conservative MPs to survive the 1997 Tory wipe-out."

Torygraph, love it.

No... I;m at Uni in Leeds. My (childhood) home is in Hinckley and Bosworth, home to David Tredennick MP - one of the Cash for Questions guys and an unending advocate of Health Food, Acupuncture and Anti-Semitism!

Woot! You live near me. Sucks, Charnwood has gone to the Tories. At least I wont be around while they screw the town up.

Lol. LE10 > LE11

Lol. LE11 rules! We got the best uni in East Midlands! Shame we got a Tory council though, they're gunna spoil everything.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 8:42 am**

Well the LE10's got...inbred racism... violent crime... err OK you win!

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 9:56 am**

gordon1975 wrote:who voted in the uk local elections and who did you vote for?

SNP myself

After serious soul searching I voted Labour. I previously vowed not to vote Labour till Blair was safely gone due to the illegal Iraq war, but I don't agree with the SNPs divisionism independence agenda so I felt I must vote Labour to oppose this. I didn't feel voting for the LibDems would do any good in my constituency, though I would have liked them to be quite strong if it came to a lib-lab coalition again.
For my regional vote I voted for Solidarity (Tommy Sheridan’s party) last time I voted SSP for the second vote, but to the ridiculous sectarian splits in the far left in Scotland ultimately I went for his new party as I would have liked him in the parliament as he's a character (though I don't agree with all his/SSP’s policies they are the closest to my view point that are electable in Scotland).
I’m a bit out of touch with the horsetrading for forming the government as I was out the country till this afternoon, so I’ll read up on this before posting any opinions.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2007 9:58 am**

Guiscard wrote:Well the LE10's got...inbred racism... violent crime... err OK you win!

Inbreds? There from Coalville!

We do have loads of crime, mainly beatings and muggings, just in the chavvy areas though, not where I live thankfully. Great thing is I went to school and was freidsn with most of the current major chav leaders, so I get a free walk through those areas.

Not gunna last though....

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