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Bush faces widespread opposition in Latin America

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:42 pm
by johnjohn0701
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Experts in Latin American affairs are saying they aren't surprised at the negative reaction President Bush is receiving as he begins a seven-day tour through the region to push for an ethanol alliance with Brazil.

"His real challenge, however, is that there is an enormous rejection of U.S. foreign policy in the world and America," said Arturo Valenzuela, director of the Center for Latin American Studies at Georgetown University.

"In other words, there is very little affinity for the president's policies in Iraq and the ways in which he has conducted international relations over these years." (Watch Bush play catch-up with Latin America while most U.S. focus has been on Iraq )

On Thursday, police and protesters clashed in Sao Paulo, Brazil, hours before Bush arrived Thursday evening, The Associated Press reported. No protesters were visible on Bush's route to the city from the airport, but earlier about 6,000 people gathered for a largely peaceful march against Bush, the AP said. (Read full story)

Riot police fired tear gas at protesters, sending hundreds fleeing and ducking into businesses to avoid the gas, the AP said. Several protesters said police beat them, according to the news agency.

Despite the protests, the United States still wields enormous influence in Latin America, a potential plus for Bush.

"He's still the president of the United States," said Dan Restrepo of the Center for American Progress. "He may be the lame-duck president of the United States, but the U.S. is the most important trading partner for virtually every country in the Americas."

With the U.S. focused on Iraq, that strong trading presence is being challenged quietly by China and Russia, and more vocally by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has referred to his U.S. counterpart as "the devil," and is using his country's oil revenues to spread cash and anti-American rhetoric throughout the region.

Though some observers see Bush's trip as an anti-Chavez offensive, others see isolating Chavez as a byproduct of a U.S. plan to reduce the region's dependence on oil and ease its widespread poverty.

"I think, really, the focus is -- let's build up with those in Latin America that see a vision of economic growth, of economic integration, of economic stability, of free-and-fair elections," said David Lewis, an economist for Manchester Trading who specializes in Latin American affairs. "Let's build up with those and then we just let the chips fall where they may."

If such a plan proves successful, it could contain Chavez and other perceived threats to U.S. interests, he said.

Whatever happens during his trip, Bush's real challenge will come afterward, when he will need to deliver on his promise to support changes in immigration policy and persuade the Democratic-controlled Congress to renew his authority to negotiate free-trade agreements.

That will be a difficult task to accomplish when U.S. legislators and much of the country are focused not on their neighbors to the south, but on the war in Iraq.

CNN's Juan Carlos Lopez contributed to this report

Copyright 2007 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:46 pm
by Guiscard
Outside of the US he's gonna face widespread opposition anywhere. We're the US's major ally (I'd say), and he'll get stuff chucked at him hear, let alone a continent where the CIA and American influences promoted dictatorships, genocide, kept it economically poor...

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:57 pm
by Spuzzell
Bush has been a disaster for the US pretty much everywhere around the globe.

I'm not sure he'd be welcome anywhere outside the US.. and probably not in New Orleans either.

Can't quite believe he got a second term, but hey, it's not my country.

Edit: On topic.. do I support an independent South America? Um. Yeah? Wasn't aware that was something up for debate tbh :) There are 15 countries in south america, and I support independence for each and every one of them *waves 15 south american flags*

Except the Falklands. *waves 14 south american flags and the Union Jack*

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:00 pm
by Anarkistsdream
Spuzzell wrote:Bush has been a disaster for the US pretty much everywhere around the globe.

I'm not sure he'd be welcome anywhere outside the US.. and probably not in New Orleans either.

Can't quite believe he got a second term, but hey, it's not my country.


he came to my campus about a year ago... I was one of nearly 1000 people picketing his stupid ass...

And that's here in Oklahoma, which is VERY republican and backwoods...

So, I agree with you... Hell, he's not welcome many places in THIS country... Aside from Texas...

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:05 pm
by Backglass
So...is this what Multi's do when busted? Become investigative journalists?

:lol:

I think you need at least two more bush/Latin America polls.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:35 pm
by flashleg8
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Spuzzell wrote:Bush has been a disaster for the US pretty much everywhere around the globe.

I'm not sure he'd be welcome anywhere outside the US.. and probably not in New Orleans either.

Can't quite believe he got a second term, but hey, it's not my country.


he came to my campus about a year ago... I was one of nearly 1000 people picketing his stupid ass...

And that's here in Oklahoma, which is VERY republican and backwoods...

So, I agree with you... Hell, he's not welcome many places in THIS country... Aside from Texas...


Not from the death-row population there though!

He executed 149 people when he was Governor I heard...

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:40 pm
by Ruben Cassar
Isn't South America a collection of countries that are already independent?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:04 pm
by areon
The US has a rich history of dabbling in Latin American countries political processes for more than a century. By dabbling I mean for the benefit of the US, not democracy or Wilson's vaunted self-determination.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:29 am
by johnjohn0701
[quote="Backglass"]So...is this what Multi's do when busted? Become investigative journalists?

:lol:

I think you need at least two more bush/Latin America polls.[/quote]

hehe.....i guess not...taking political science classes is insane brother..we need to read 10 news paper before each class, & we have 3 classes a week, thats 120 news paper per month and its 14400 news per year....i dont need votes in bush/latin american polls thx.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:12 am
by neoni
independence is the wrong word

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:21 am
by btownmeggy
Spuzzell wrote:Bush has been a disaster for the US pretty much everywhere around the globe.


Think of what US state visits would be like if Obama were President. The US's international prestige would rise immeasurably. The symbolic power of a biracial, half-Kenyan U.S. President would be strong, I think. Bill Richardson, my candidate, would have the same effect in Latin America, at least.

Spuzzell wrote:Except the Falklands. *waves 14 south american flags and the Union Jack*


Las Malvinas aren't independent already. They're a part of Argentina. :D

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:59 am
by johnjohn0701
[quote="Ruben Cassar"]Isn't South America a collection of countries that are already independent?[/quote]


oh yea , sry i used the wrong word...hehe

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:06 pm
by Mjolnirs
johnjohn0701 wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Isn't South America a collection of countries that are already independent?



oh yea , sry i used the wrong word...hehe

So what word did you mean to use for the poll?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:20 pm
by Mjolnirs
Mjolnirs wrote:
johnjohn0701 wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Isn't South America a collection of countries that are already independent?



oh yea , sry i used the wrong word...hehe

So what word did you mean to use for the poll?

:-^ [Jeopardy theme music]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:44 pm
by Guiscard
I assume he means the independence of South America from US political and economic hegemony.

In that case, I agree 100%

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:20 pm
by Backglass
johnjohn0701 wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:Isn't South America a collection of countries that are already independent?



oh yea , sry i used the wrong word...hehe


So much for political science class. "F"! :lol:

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:28 pm
by SKETRS
No one likes us no matter who is president. But 1 thing is for sure not one country turns down the money we give them yearly. And it's a God damn good thing we don't give a shit what anybody thinks, because It wouldn't matter if we did. We would still be the big bad wolf.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:19 pm
by Guiscard
SKETRS wrote:No one likes us no matter who is president. But 1 thing is for sure not one country turns down the money we give them yearly. And it's a God damn good thing we don't give a shit what anybody thinks, because It wouldn't matter if we did. We would still be the big bad wolf.


Oh Ok. Because you send aid those countries should roll over and give in to US hegemonic influence... submit to US economic plans which place them firmly under US control...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:28 pm
by iAnonymous
Guiscard wrote:I assume he means the independence of South America from US political and economic hegemony.

In that case, I agree 100%
Most of Latin American countries are highly dependant on U.S.A., including Brazil.
Naturally, most Latinos fucking hate Bush.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:33 pm
by Guiscard
On a lighter note... Anyone see old Dbya shaking his maraca completely out of time to a samba band on the news? And Condoleza shakin her ass to that brazlillian beat...

Great stuff. If only Tony Blair danced the Salsa the world would be a better place.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:35 pm
by areon
Actually a lot of Latin countries have tried to form their own governments but they always seem to get broken up...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:20 pm
by Guiscard
areon wrote:Actually a lot of Latin countries have tried to form their own governments but they always seem to get broken up...


What? I think that pretty much all the South American countries have governments... They're not controlled from the outside at the level of direct government.

Don't quite get your point here.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:47 pm
by areon
Chronology US Actions

The US isn't the only one but a lot of actions have been carried out for many reasons. One of them has been to prevent any growth of socialist trends that might benefit those countries.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:59 pm
by Guiscard
Yes I do realise that (and am not at all keen...)

I was just confused by the statement that 'actually' (as if i was a little known fact) lots of latin american countries have tried to form governments... but they get broken up...

They all have governments recgnised on the international scene, whether or not they are influenced by America (which many are, and I respect the spirit of the left-leaning countries who are beginning to band together under Chavez and reject US influence entirely).

Was just a confusing (and seemingly naiive) statement.