Can a machine know?

[kclborat]

Here's a new, non political/religous thread. I'll post my thoughts later.

[Cheesemore]

Good question, here's mine
Does anyone really know what time it is

[millej11]

I think they will be able to learn plenty, but it will be limited to politics and religion. And the future bots will be able to find multi's and predict deadbeats

[unriggable]

Only to an extent. We will never see an I-robot style machine. Yes they can know, but we have to teach them via programming. Pretty futile. Of course RC machines like the 'swords' used in the army are great.

[Guiscard]

Anyone read the Asimov robot stories? Most thought-provoking sci-fi I've read.

[Backglass]

Only to an extent. We will never see an I-robot style machine.

Oh, I think we will...and in the not to distant future.

Eventually, as processing speeds continue to climb higher & higher and memory becomes even more plentiful and dense, we will start to see "I-Robot" or "C3PO" type machines that can communicate with us. Will they actually think for themselves? Create? Dream? Who knows.

For this reason I really liked the movie AI...even though it bombed.

[Chad22342]

In the future robots and machines will at first only know what we want them to know and what we program into them but eventually as in all history, human stupidity will mess up the whole thing and robots and mochines will be able to advance, evolve and adapt beyond our control.

[unriggable]

Only to an extent. We will never see an I-robot style machine.

Oh, I think we will...and in the not to distant future.

Eventually, as processing speeds continue to climb higher & higher and memory becomes even more plentiful and dense, we will start to see "I-Robot" or "C3PO" type machines that can communicate with us. Will they actually think for themselves? Create? Dream? Who knows.

For this reason I really liked the movie AI...even though it bombed.

It's not so much memory as much as the things that we take for granted that will make sonny impossible - water is wet for example. We know that, robots dont. It will be hard to teach these things. The only way is to create a robot that learns, and that will take an unfathomable amount of memory to be able to intake this information and relay it back in a human-understandable way.

[sfhbballnut]

Only to an extent. We will never see an I-robot style machine.

Oh, I think we will...and in the not to distant future.

Eventually, as processing speeds continue to climb higher & higher and memory becomes even more plentiful and dense, we will start to see "I-Robot" or "C3PO" type machines that can communicate with us. Will they actually think for themselves? Create? Dream? Who knows.

For this reason I really liked the movie AI...even though it bombed.

There's a certain level that robots will never achieve. The way programig like that works is the programer gives it situations or criteria and opitons on what to do based on the situation. The number of these that can be programed in is limitless, so it can give the appearence of thought, but it cannot improvise. Robots can't come up with a completly new idea, they can't improvise, so we'll always have an edge on them

[Backglass]

There's a certain level that robots will never achieve. The way programig like that works is the programer gives it situations or criteria and opitons on what to do based on the situation. The number of these that can be programed in is limitless, so it can give the appearence of thought, but it cannot improvise. Robots can't come up with a completly new idea, they can't improvise, so we'll always have an edge on them

Not yet! Try to remember this thread when you are 70.

It was only 30 some years ago that the processor in the computer you are using was considered impossible...even absurd! "There is NO WAY they could cram that many components onto a chip"..."the tolerances are too small", etc.

Yet...here we are.

[Blueoctober]

good point

[pancakemix]

They will always know less than us, because

1. we teach them
2. They will never know... to love

[kclborat]

One thing you could think about is programming could be comprable to our instincts and evolution, no? Our nature?

[static_ice]

how interesting.

my thoughts: humans are all highly well programmed robots because all we have is DNA (which is obvious why it is robotlike) and experience from parents and friends and life. Our parents teach us things, and most of us listen and obey and copy that into our permanent memory, but some believe that something else is better so they don't listen and program something else into memory. If a robot has a better solution than we do, it won't listen to us.

if we never want to have robots that are better than us, we need to stop making computers that recognize patterns, because the pattern is humans are constantly wrong

I have to go now I will post back later when I have time