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Is there such thing as free will or is everything predestined

Personaly I think it is predestined with parallel universes.

Your Thoughts

I'm trying very hard not to have an opinion on free will, since focusing on it tends to give it more power to sway my mind.

My only thought on the matter is that no one knows for sure. Given how little we know of the brain and even less about any other guiding forces in the universe, it would be both premature and dumb to form an opinion at this early stage in our development.

free will

Free will!

We do have the free will to do anything we want. I do believe there are some predestined occurences, but on the short term level. I don't believe people are predestined to that for example, they will go to hell when they die. god gave us free will for a reason.

millej11 wrote:We do have the free will to do anything we want. I do believe there are some predestined occurences, but on the short term level. I don't believe people are predestined to that for example, they will go to hell when they die. god gave us free will for a reason.

Agreed, although I don't know about the God and Hell part...

Roger Penrose : "Within the 'objective reduction' scheme, we consider that consciousness occurs if an appropriately organized system is able to develop and maintain quantum coherent superposition until a specific ‘objective’ criterion (a threshold related to quantum gravity) is reached; the coherent system then self-reduces (objective reduction). We contend that this type of objective self-collapse introduces non-computability, an essential feature of consciousness."

In summary: yes?

Imo the only predestined stuff are the family you are born into, and the genes you have. The rest is free will.

I thought this said "free Wii" and got all excited.

Bugger.

Of course there's free will. It's no ones fault but your own.

Unless you can establish a motive for predestination and a predestinator (not even a real word, mind you), free will.

I looked and it appears that free will has taken over.

Frankly I don't care if it is one or the other but in defense to predestination I must say sometimes I feel like I lived this life before. Through Deja vu my mind feels as if it has been there before. Granted it would be very nice to believe I have complete control. Your day and all of the pieces in it might be controlled in patterns. The same as a tree has a cycle so does you brain.

I don't know really

im guessing free will but it is something that no1 will most likely ever know

I think we have free will to a point but our death might be already predicted for us...its weird, who knows.
Example is one of my dads friends. He curled for a living, His name was Scott Patterson and he was off with his team (3 other guys in the car) to Subury. The highways were wet and just slightly slippery. Well Scott he usually has a lead foot and drives fast like 110 Km/h on a 90 km/h highway. But this time (for once, like 80% he doesn't do speed limit)he was only doing the speed limit. and at a sharp corner, an oncomming truck lost control and was going to hit them, so he being the driver made a quick decision and chose trying to swearve around it but going againts the gard rail. Well he just hit the guard rail and the other guy hit the back of his car. Then another vehicle slammed in the back of them in the guard rail and all 3 other passengers survived, 1 with a shattered arm because he put his arm out to hold his friend beside him in the seat cause the car that killed Scott that hit him from behind came like 30 sec after the initial guard rail hit and his friend undid the seatbelt to try and get out of the car, so his friend put his arm out and it stoped hi.s friend from going through the windshield, and just snapped his own arm. The guy had a couple broken ribs and a nice gash on his forhead for hitting the windshield and other passenger i think was just bruised up but Scott being the driver, died instantly at the scene by having his neck break during the crash.

So who knows, what determined this death, fate or freak accident....For once in his life he was actually only doing the speed limit, all other 3 guys survived the crash and was out of hospital within days after being treated but only he died...weird...

i believe it was the ice, and the other cars.

also, in icy conditions in an area like that, it sounds like the usual speed limit is too fast for that. If he was speeding he would have gotten to the bend before the truck (not that you should speed in icy conditions...)

You can attribute fate to any event that's out of the victim's hands. It just happened that this was a special case.

Where's the option for people who don't assume to know the answer to that question.
There should be an "I don't know" option.

Spuzzell wrote:I thought this said "free Wii" and got all excited. Bugger..

Oh you can get a free Wii...but you have to drink a lot of water first.

Backglass wrote:

Spuzzell wrote:I thought this said "free Wii" and got all excited. Bugger..

Oh you can get a free Wii...but you have to drink a lot of water first.

then you sue Backglass and use the moeny to pay your lawyers, adn the rest will buy you a Wii, net expense=0!

im more towards the free will side of things.


But what if you were predestined to believe in free will???

I'd say freewill but then I was destined to say that.

wcaclimbing wrote:im more towards the free will side of things.


But what if you were predestined to believe in free will???

A more pressing question would be if you chose to follow a predestined path...

Without a doubt.... free will.

fate may deal the cards, but its up to you to play the hand

even if you are somewhat predestined, its up to you to make the choices

In philosophy, part of the theory of determinism (i.e. everything is predestined) is that given the current state of everything in universe, we should be able to apply the laws of nature and project what happens next. This goes for everything from weather to human emotions (after all, emotions are just neurotransmitters flowing in your brain, affected by stimuli from inside and outside the body). So if we punched in where everything is, what speed/direction it's moving, its chemical state, etc into an unimaginably powerful super-mega-computer-2000 and programmed in all the laws of nature, we should be able to let it run and tell us exactly what's going to happen 10 mins from now. Don'y worry, I would never try this on the Conquer Club server!!

But here's the catch - in physics there is something called the Heisenberg uncertainty principle which stipulates that we can't accurately measure the physical universe. So we will never be able to determine what will happen in the future. There will always be a fudge factor. Some people (myself included) believe that fudge factor was put in there to allow for god to mess around and/or people to have free will.

According to Judaism people have free choice. So I once asked a rabbi "How can people have free choice when god is supposed to be all-powerful and all-knowing? Surely god knows what we are going to next?" His answer was "God is so powerful that he can place limitations on himself, he hands over control of part of the universe to you when you make a choice".

So now I'm gonna be late for work because I chose to waste my morning time blabbing about determinism. Stupid free will!

I think we have free will to believe in pre-destination <<Word>>

I am very happy with lacks post

I think the idea of not having control is scary to some people