More fodder for you liberals.....

[MeDeFe]

I'll have to go and have a closer look at Exodus, getting the olive oil shouldn't be a problem.

[jay_a2j]

Let me clear this up. I work at a Drug Treatment Campus for inmates. I am a Correction Officer who has sat through ASAT classes, AA/NA meetings and talk to drug and alcohol counsellors all the time. (Who, by the way, have DEREES in drug and alcohol councelling)


Backglass you need to go talk to someone who knows. Pot is addictive. Caffine (found in coffee is also PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE!

Nicotine is NOT INTOXICATING! It is physically addictive and seems to "relax" you but in reality when you smoke it increases your blood pressure. The smoking "relaxes" argument is the BIGGEST myth attributed to smoking.


Do an experimant. Take 2 people who have never smoked anything. Have the first person smoke 1 pack of ciggarretts a day for a year. Let the other person smoke THE SAME AMOUNT of pot for a year.... you you will see the difference in brain cell damage in the pot smoker.


Backglass your post was nothing more that stated self-oppinion. There were no facts.



Below is some reading on the effects of pot use: (enjoy)



Effects on the Brain

Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.

In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement4.

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
Effects on the Heart

One study has indicated that an abuser's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana7. The researchers suggest that such an effect might occur from marijuana's effects on blood pressure and heart rate and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.
Effects on the Lungs

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers8. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent abuse can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency to obstructed airways9. Smoking marijuana possibly increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck. A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers10.

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens9,11. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke12. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells13. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.
Other Health Effects

Some of marijuana's adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight disease. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited14. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors15,16.
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. Depression17, anxiety17, and personality disturbances18 have been associated with chronic marijuana use. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off19,20,25.

Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their nonsmoking peers21,22,23,24. A study of 129 college students found that, among those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the 30 days prior to being surveyed, critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired, even after the students had not taken the drug for at least 24 hours20. These "heavy" marijuana abusers had more trouble sustaining and shifting their attention and in registering, organizing, and using information than did the study participants who had abused marijuana no more than 3 of the previous 30 days. As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a reduced intellectual level all of the time.

More recently, the same researchers showed that the ability of a group of long-term heavy marijuana abusers to recall words from a list remained impaired for a week after quitting, but returned to normal within 4 weeks25. Thus, some cognitive abilities may be restored in individuals who quit smoking marijuana, even after long-term heavy use.

Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely than their coworkers to have problems on the job. Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover. A study among postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75-percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use26. In another study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health27.
Effects of Exposure During Pregnancy

Research has shown that some babies born to women who abused marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli28, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate neurological problems in development29. During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do30,31. In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive30.
Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they abuse the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop abusing the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety32. They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug33.




Taken from: http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

[heavycola]

^^^ Alcohol is still much worse. And what probelm do you have with people being able to decide for themselves? Isn't that what republicans believe in?


(And jesus was a stoner. The evidence is damning and plentiful)

[jay_a2j]

(And jesus was a stoner. The evidence is damning and plentiful)

In your world maybe.

[KoolBak]

LMAO!! I personally would love to see the individual that smokes TWENTY joints a day for a year....I dont think he could survive; I mean, how could he function (eg eat, groom, etc)??

[heavycola]

OK i'll repost - this from the Sunday Times:

"The word Christ does mean "the anointed one" and Bennett contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11

[jay_a2j]

[quote="heavycola"]OK i'll repost - this from the Sunday Times:

"The word Christ does mean "the anointed one" and Bennettwho is this guy? contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, chapter and verse please a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11

[Backglass]

Let me clear this up. I work at a Drug Treatment Campus for inmates. I am a Correction Officer who has sat through ASAT classes, AA/NA meetings and talk to drug and alcohol counsellors all the time. (Who, by the way, have DEREES in drug and alcohol councelling)

Do they allow you to partake of your drug addiction while at the Drug Treatment Campus? Just curious.

Backglass you need to go talk to someone who knows. Pot is addictive.

I notice you ommited the word "physically"...which is correct. Thank you.

Nicotine is NOT INTOXICATING! It is physically addictive and seems to "relax" you but in reality when you smoke it increases your blood pressure.

in·tox·i·cate /v. –verb (used with object)
1. to affect temporarily with diminished physical and mental control by means of alcoholic liquor, a drug, or another substance.

From your own favorite source, "Dictionary.com".

The smoking "relaxes" argument is the BIGGEST myth attributed to smoking.

Agreed. I am not an addict, so I have no idea.

Do an experimant. Take 2 people who have never smoked anything. Have the first person smoke 1 pack of ciggarretts a day for a year. Let the other person smoke THE SAME AMOUNT of pot for a year.... you you will see the difference in brain cell damage in the pot smoker.

Your proposed experiment isnt valid. It is like saying "Take 2 people and give one a pint of whiskey daily and the other a pint of beer and SEE which has more liver damage after a year!".

It's all in the dosage. Perhaps Marijuana ounce-for-ounce is more potent, BUT Marijuana users do not smoke 20 joints a day...it just doesnt happen so your experiment is a joke.

I also find it interesting that the source you gave has entire lengthy pdf's on the alleged medical effects of Marijuana, but barely a paragraph on cigarette smoking. Perhaps since it is a government website, they are taking some tobacco lobbiest money? Nah...that never happens.

Stay on course Jay. Remember, we are not arguing that Marijuana is potentially damaging to ones health, but your allegation that it is "far worse". Nothing you have posted has proven that it is "far worse".

Shall I post all the medical effects of cigarettes so we can compare?

Backglass your post was nothing more that stated self-oppinion. There were no facts.

Not true. You are a hopeless drug addict...thats a fact.

[heavycola]

Jay i don't think anyone set out to discredit anything. There is simply enough evidence in scripture and in the OT to suggest that jesus may have used cannabis. Not by smoking it, but in anointing oils. 'Christ' means 'anointed one'. No one is suggesting jesus blazed.


There is actually more evidence for this in the bible than there is for the rapture.

[jay_a2j]

Jay i don't think anyone set out to discredit anything. There is simply enough evidence in scripture and in the OT to suggest that jesus may have used cannabis. Not by smoking it, but in anointing oils. 'Christ' means 'anointed one'. No one is suggesting jesus blazed.


There is actually more evidence for this in the bible than there is for the rapture.

"anointed" means by God. It is common to refer to a pastor as "anointed by God" it simply means God has blessed him. Not that any oil was used.

[heavycola]

Well, the word 'Christ' comes from the word 'chrism', which was the name of the oil that was used. he turned water into wine, he was obviously a bit of a party animal. Why not cannabis? It was freely available then, it grows everywhere and there were no laws against it.

here is one reference that took me 5 seconds to find -

James 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.

[happysadfun]

There are other types of oil, are there not?

[MeDeFe]

Still, if there is ONE oil they used for a very important ceremony and someone claims to be the son of god you can be certain that he made damn sure he wouldn't get the cheap stuff from the shop at the corner.

[Backglass]

There are other types of oil, are there not?

Yes...I am sure it was canola oil. It was very sacred back then for it's cholesteral lowering properties.

[Jolly Roger]

LMAO!! I personally would love to see the individual that smokes TWENTY joints a day for a year....I dont think he could survive; I mean, how could he function (eg eat, groom, etc)??

I was thinking the same thing.

[vtmarik]

"anointed" means by God. It is common to refer to a pastor as "anointed by God" it simply means God has blessed him. Not that any oil was used.

Anointed means by god.

So anointed by god really means "by god by god"?

a·noint (ə-noint') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. a·noint·ed, a·noint·ing, a·noints

1. To apply oil, ointment, or a similar substance to.
2. To put oil on during a religious ceremony as a sign of sanctification or consecration.
3. To choose by or as if by divine intervention.

[jay_a2j]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.


VTmarik I am aware of the definition of anointed. Unfortunatly some words take on spritual meanings. (ie. you must be "born again")

[vtmarik]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.

I don't know about oil, but I do know that if you leave marijuana leaves to soak in rubbing alcohol for a few days, the rubbing alcohol takes on a pain relieving property.

VTmarik I am aware of the definition of anointed. Unfortunatly some words take on spritual meanings. (ie. you must be "born again")

Just pointing out that it doesn't mean "by god" in any sense of the word.

If it did, it would be redundant, therefore, to say 'anointed by god.'

Redundant like "15 Knots per Hour" (1 knot is 4 nautical miles per hour. So 15 knots per hour becomes 60 nautical miles per hour per hour which is a measurement of acceleration, not speed).

[jay_a2j]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.

I don't know about oil, but I do know that if you leave marijuana leaves to soak in rubbing alcohol for a few days, the rubbing alcohol takes on a pain relieving property.

VTmarik I am aware of the definition of anointed. Unfortunatly some words take on spritual meanings. (ie. you must be "born again")

Just pointing out that it doesn't mean "by god" in any sense of the word.

If it did, it would be redundant, therefore, to say 'anointed by god.'

Redundant like "15 Knots per Hour" (1 knot is 4 nautical miles per hour. So 15 knots per hour becomes 60 nautical miles per hour per hour which is a measurement of acceleration, not speed).

"anointed" by God.... doesn't mean "by God, by God". Anointed by God has NOTHING to do with oil.

[vtmarik]

"anointed" by God.... doesn't mean by "God, by God". Anointed by God has NOTHING to do with oil.

Just like logic has nothing to do with your "logic dictates" thread, I get it.

[heavycola]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.

Opium is made from poppies, not poppy seeds, and has nothing to do with cannabis. The active ingredient in cannbis can be dissolved in oil and absorbed through the skin. How else do you think jesus and his follower dudes saw all that crazy shit?

[vtmarik]

Opium is made from poppies, not poppy seeds, and has nothing to do with cannabis. The active ingredient in cannbis can be dissolved in oil and absorbed through the skin. How else do you think jesus and his follower dudes saw all that crazy shit?

Well, many mystics from various religious and spiritual backgrounds have received visions during long walks in the desert without the aid of pharmaceuticals.

Though Luke was a physician and he would have had access to various narcotic, toxic, and possibly hallucinogenic substances.

[jay_a2j]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.

Opium is made from poppies, not poppy seeds, and has nothing to do with cannabis. The active ingredient in cannbis can be dissolved in oil and absorbed through the skin. How else do you think jesus and his follower dudes saw all that crazy shit?

I'll ask again for a firsthand account. This is speculation..... it would be thrown out in court.

[heavycola]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me. I have never gotten high after eating poppy seeds.

Opium is made from poppies, not poppy seeds, and has nothing to do with cannabis. The active ingredient in cannbis can be dissolved in oil and absorbed through the skin. How else do you think jesus and his follower dudes saw all that crazy shit?

I'll ask again for a firsthand account. This is speculation..... it would be thrown out in court.

So would creationism. And christianity, for that matter.

And no, using oil-based carriers to allow ingredients to be absorbed by the skin isn't speculation, jay.

[trestain]

First of all can anyone confirm by firsthand experiance that you can get high off of oil made from canibas? This seems rediculous to me

actually jay yes, after every crop we always turn the cabbage(the outer leaves stalks, anything except the bud)into cannabis oil, it is actually more potent than the bud if it is distilled properley.