The Death Penalty

[Neutrino]

QFT Norse. If you look at our banlieue today, with a young girl claiming word for word "I'm terrified of gang rape...I've been threatned by it if I don't obey the gang curfew
-why?
...I'm french so I'm fair game"

Terrifying. We need vigilantes, armed, to retake St. Denis from the mahometans and impose Pax Franciscana! Montjoie! St. Denis!

I swear I've heard you quote almost this particular segment a half dozen times. Does every girl on your banlieue explain their fears of gang rape in exactly the same way? Last time she was scared because she was white, now it's 'cause she was French (apparently in France, the French are the oppressed minority as well as the majority. Makes you think). Choose a cause and stick with it. Also, since this plainly wasn't shown today (unless you happen to have in your posession a time machine. Care to lend it to your old buddy Neutrino?) choose a more likely time.

I could also point out what a bad idea Vigilantism and mob rule is, but I think my feeble objections will be lost on such august personages as yourselves. Purely by yelling things in French you crush any concievable objection I could raise.

[Symmetry]

I'm pretty sure that many of the areas where the death penalty is in use have also had a decent go at vigilantism.

The South in the US had a nice line in lynching, as I recall.
Iran is big on casual stoning and honour killing for those who break the law.
Japanese citizens killed 6000 resident Koreans after the earthquake of 1923 because they were worried that they would go looting.

Which model do you suggest?

[Snorri1234]

I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.

Like, say, an axe wielding maniac?

It is not his role to kill anyone and not ours to kill him.

and yet what if he does kill someone? what if he kills more than one someones? are we just supposed to wait and let God kill him? (BTW I do believe in God, being a born again christian) well we're waiting what if he starts killing more people? 2 a day? 4 a day? do we just keep waiting?

We don't kill him but lock him up, because someone has to take the moral highground. If we killed him we'd be no better than him.

ok your argument is probably going to be "well lock him." ok what difference is there between being locked up in jail for life and being dead?
and he better not get out early on "good behavior."

You don't see the difference between the two?

[autoload]

I voted the "No- victims deserve some peace of mind." option because it didn't have any votes yet.

[tankster3]

and yet what if he does kill someone? what if he kills more than one someones? are we just supposed to wait and let God kill him? (BTW I do believe in God, being a born again christian) well we're waiting what if he starts killing more people? 2 a day? 4 a day? do we just keep waiting?



ok your argument is probably going to be "well lock him." ok what difference is there between being locked up in jail for life and being dead?
and he better not get out early on "good behavior."


I also agree with there being a huge difference between accidental murder (depends on the circumstances), pre-meditated (kill him/her off), self-defense (again depends on circumstances), mutilation/torture (eye for a eye, for life), spur of the moment, (well he might do it again, kill him/her off)

Lock him up, no parole. Let nature take its course. The difference between being in jail for life and being murdered by the state is quite simply that. He lives his life in demoralizing circumstances with no chance of ever seeing the outside world. Execution is not punishment, it's just pointless killing.

The level of incarceration is what should change according to what the crime was. Mutilation/Torture, lock him in a cell small enough where he cannot move at all (and so on).

exactly "he lives." and his victim does not.





last time I checked that's not fair or natural.

how is locking him in a cell where he can't move that much different than killing him? he can't move, he can't exercise, he can't socialize, I assume he wouldn't be watching TV or have internet access. I personally think many people would rather be dead than face that for possibly 60 years or more. (rest of his life) if he did last 60 years I think he'd go insane before to long stuck in a small cell.

I do agree with the no parole thing, if your not going to kill him. at least don't let him out.

There is also the slight possibility of him escaping from prison.

[got tonkaed]

I voted the "No- victims deserve some peace of mind." option because it didn't have any votes yet.

i like your style.

[vtmarik]

exactly "he lives." and his victim does not.

Killing him isn't going to do anything but add another death to the statistic list.

last time I checked that's not fair or natural.

Fair? No. But then a lot of things aren't fair.
Natural? Most of the time when an animal kills another, it continues to live.

how is locking him in a cell where he can't move that much different than killing him? he can't move, he can't exercise, he can't socialize, I assume he wouldn't be watching TV or have internet access. I personally think many people would rather be dead than face that for possibly 60 years or more. (rest of his life) if he did last 60 years I think he'd go insane before to long stuck in a small cell.

Good, let his mind break and his body decay. I'd rather watch a convicted murderer slowly decay in both body and mind than have him killed in the name of "justice."

I do agree with the no parole thing, if your not going to kill him. at least don't let him out.

There is also the slight possibility of him escaping from prison.

Slight, yes. But we have really dumb criminals in the US, and they always find a way of getting caught again.

[tankster3]

I'm against the death penalty, simply because it is not Man's place to judge who lives, who dies, and when.

Like, say, an axe wielding maniac?

It is not his role to kill anyone and not ours to kill him.

and yet what if he does kill someone? what if he kills more than one someones? are we just supposed to wait and let God kill him? (BTW I do believe in God, being a born again christian) well we're waiting what if he starts killing more people? 2 a day? 4 a day? do we just keep waiting?

We don't kill him but lock him up, because someone has to take the moral highground. If we killed him we'd be no better than him.

so we let him get away with killing someone else but he get's to stay alive? how is that just(ice)?

who's to say that it is our place to take the moral high ground? isn't that God's area?

ok your argument is probably going to be "well lock him." ok what difference is there between being locked up in jail for life and being dead?
and he better not get out early on "good behavior."

You don't see the difference between the two?

see my previous post for the difference between the two.

Sorry for the double post I don't now how to combine quotes from different posts.

[tankster3]

exactly "he lives." and his victim does not.

Killing him isn't going to do anything but add another death to the statistic list.

does nothing? doesn't make another guy go "hmm I don't want to die maybe I shouldn't kill what's his face?"

last time I checked that's not fair or natural.

Fair? No. But then a lot of things aren't fair.
Natural? Most of the time when an animal kills another, it continues to live.

so we're no better than animals?

how is locking him in a cell where he can't move that much different than killing him? he can't move, he can't exercise, he can't socialize, I assume he wouldn't be watching TV or have internet access. I personally think many people would rather be dead than face that for possibly 60 years or more. (rest of his life) if he did last 60 years I think he'd go insane before to long stuck in a small cell.

Good, let his mind break and his body decay. I'd rather watch a convicted murderer slowly decay in both body and mind than have him killed in the name of "justice."

oh yes this is much more humane than killing him. [/sarcasm tags]

I do agree with the no parole thing, if your not going to kill him. at least don't let him out.

There is also the slight possibility of him escaping from prison.

Slight, yes. But we have really dumb criminals in the US, and they always find a way of getting caught again.

maybe not before they kill someone else

I will admit that the escape thing is a very remote possibility. I'm not going to debate that I just wanted that out there.

[vtmarik]

does nothing? doesn't make another guy go "hmm I don't want to die maybe I shouldn't kill what's his face?"

Not so far. If the death penalty is a deterrent, then shouldn't we have seen some results by now?

so we're no better than animals?

Most of the time, no. We have civilization and higher thinking, but most murder is committed for the fulfilling of personal desires. That's very primitive behavior.

oh yes this is much more humane than killing him. [/sarcasm tags]

I never said it was humane, I said it was punishment. Punishment isn't supposed to be humane.

maybe not before they kill someone else

I don't dispute that, most of the time they do kill somebody else first.

[Snorri1234]

so we let him get away with killing someone else but he get's to stay alive? how is that just(ice)?

It's justice in the way that is not eye-for an eye. Honestly, you're confusing "getting away with it" with "not killing him".

who's to say that it is our place to take the moral high ground? isn't that God's area?

I'm saying it. But I think god would approve of it, as we're supposed not to kill according to him.
We as a society need to be different from the people who commit the crimes. You might say it's only killing because they did it too, but that's no excuse.
We have more than one option available to us regarding punishment, so there is no reason to kill someone.

[brooksieb]

we have enough evidence to prove stuff and only use it for paedos rapists and serial killers like say if you robbed a bank u shud not be killed, only sumthing really bad

[Dancing Mustard]

if you robbed a bank u shud not be killed, only sumthing really bad

Classic...

[Fieryo]

At least in the American system "cruel and unusual" punishment is considered forbidden. What if for someone life in jail is in fact cruel and unusual? Do we have a moral duty to these people?

[apey]

So to all u people saying that there should be no death penalty An Alabama man just threw his four children off an eighty foot pier the children 3yrs,2yrs,1yr,and four months old had nothing to do with their parents fighting but dear ole' dad took it out on them any way so u really think that Mother fucker should live?

[Neoteny]

So to all u people saying that there should be no death penalty An Alabama man just threw his four children off an eighty foot pier the children 3yrs,2yrs,1yr,and four months old had nothing to do with their parents fighting but dear ole' dad took it out on them any way so u really think that Mother fucker should live?

Unfortunately, yes. Though I kinda hope he dies real soon.

[AndrewLC]

I say an eye for a eye.


Kill someone, be killed.

[Skittles!]

So to all u people saying that there should be no death penalty An Alabama man just threw his four children off an eighty foot pier the children 3yrs,2yrs,1yr,and four months old had nothing to do with their parents fighting but dear ole' dad took it out on them any way so u really think that Mother fucker should live?

What's more punishable, dying humanely, or living with the guilt your whole life?

[apey]

I am really pissed I can not fathom how this sick sonofabitch can just kill ALL of his kids cause his wife made him angry I wish we still had the electrical chair or that my tax dollars could make this bastard pay with a little bit of good ole torture I hope they put him in with general population in jail n he gets a little bit of jailhouse justice

[muy_thaiguy]

Give the bastard a good ole fashioned lynching, is what I say. If his neck doesn't snap from the initial drop, he'll strangle to death, from his own weight nonetheless.

[Neoteny]

I'd like to add for the record that pro-life is a misnomer.

[apey]

I would like to add that this guy is a fucktard n i wish i could gut his ass myself

[Skittles!]

Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?

[The Weird One]

Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?

so you say that if someone's got psychological problems and they go ballistic and kill off a crowd of people, they don't deserve death?

[Skittles!]

Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?

so you say that if someone's got psychological problems and they go ballistic and kill off a crowd of people, they don't deserve death?

No one deserves death, and the way the US of A goes around murderers and such is barbaric. It is more punishable to let the person live then to let them get what they probably want, and that is death.