How Ron Paul can win

[OnlyAmbrose]

The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".

You are perhaps the dumbest piece-of-shit liberal I have ever had the misfortune to read.

I am FAR from a liberal. Try the other end of the political spectrum.

You moron, your post is clearly in the liberal portion of the political spectrum.

No, you eloquent, well spoken sheep. There are many conservatives waking up to 911 truth. You have chosen to keep your blinders on as many others are doing and THAT is the only reason Ron Paul can not win.

I do not care if this Ron Paul wins or not, simply because I have not a clue who he is. Who gives a f*ck?

There is but one truth, 911 was an act of Islamic terrorism. Live with it, or shut the f*ck up.

Of course, Islamic terrorism is a result of U.S. intervention in the Middle East. Who armed, trained, and funded Osama bin Laden during the Cold War? Oh right... that was us. Didn't think that through, did we?

[Iliad]

Because the Department of Education is obviously sucking hardcore and therefore doesn't need our tax dollars pouring into it since they aren't doing any good.

I'd rather buy federal fireworks, it'd do about as much for our education as the Department did, but at least we'd get to see something good for it.

What's he planning on replacing it with? Presumably he's planning on replacing it with something, but then it ends up being an overhaul, not a abolishment.

Ron Paul is about against all government run organizations. Schools, hospitals etc, etc, etc. When the government has its hands in things, it usually becomes sub-standard.

So what happens to education? Public education is gone. Private education will never work. Where does that leave education in the US...?

Private schools would work, and be more competitive for good teachers, increasing test scores.

And you realise how much private schools cost. I'm attending a public school and it's great and I learn something but in private schools I would be paying about 18,000 bucks a year to get education. So now you're saying you will want everyone to spend that much money on school? Even if don't have to pay tax families will get screwed.

[Neutrino]

Private schools would work, and be more competitive for good teachers, increasing test scores.

...huh?

Ignoring the fact that these private educational companies will be able to espouce their bias, much like newspapers do now, except right at the source, there is no way that the majority of families can afford to pay a few thousand dollars per person, per year. A huge percentage of the next generation will have no education. Great idea.

[jay_a2j]

Private schools would work, and be more competitive for good teachers, increasing test scores.

...huh?

Ignoring the fact that these private educational companies will be able to espouce their bias, much like newspapers do now, except right at the source, there is no way that the majority of families can afford to pay a few thousand dollars per person, per year. A huge percentage of the next generation will have no education. Great idea.

Think outside the box. If there are more private schools to choose from it would bring the cost of attending these schools down. Competition lowers cost. The public schools in this country are complete failures. I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

[Skittles!]

Private schools would work, and be more competitive for good teachers, increasing test scores.

...huh?

Ignoring the fact that these private educational companies will be able to espouce their bias, much like newspapers do now, except right at the source, there is no way that the majority of families can afford to pay a few thousand dollars per person, per year. A huge percentage of the next generation will have no education. Great idea.

Think outside the box. If there are more private schools to choose from it would bring the cost of attending these schools down. Competition lowers cost. The public schools in this country are complete failures. I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

Sounds like my old school, and that was a hell-hole. Good riddance to that school.

[Neutrino]

Think outside the box. If there are more private schools to choose from it would bring the cost of attending these schools down. Competition lowers cost. The public schools in this country are complete failures. I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

Even so, I doubt the cost will ever dip significantly below $1000/person/year. I really don't see how the vast majority of lower class families can ever hope to afford this.

Competition also lowers standards. Sure, you may get it cheap (compared to today's costs, that is) but to get the costs this low something's got to go.

[OnlyAmbrose]

Think outside the box. If there are more private schools to choose from it would bring the cost of attending these schools down. Competition lowers cost. The public schools in this country are complete failures. I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

Even so, I doubt the cost will ever dip significantly below $1000/person/year. I really don't see how the vast majority of lower class families can ever hope to afford this.

Competition also lowers standards. Sure, you may get it cheap (compared to today's costs, that is) but to get the costs this low something's got to go.

Here's an idea I just came up with - I doubt it's part of Ron Paul's platform, but I think it would work - have private schools, but government assistance to lower-class families. That way you get the increased efficiency of private schools but made affordable by government aid.

In my honest opinion, I don't even think this is an issue that should be in a presidential debate... because I think education should be left almost entirely up to the state. If the people of a state want more and better public schools, it's their responsibility to vote and pay for it.

[Coleman]

Because the Department of Education is obviously sucking hardcore and therefore doesn't need our tax dollars pouring into it since they aren't doing any good.

I'd rather buy federal fireworks, it'd do about as much for our education as the Department did, but at least we'd get to see something good for it.

What's he planning on replacing it with? Presumably he's planning on replacing it with something, but then it ends up being an overhaul, not a abolishment.

Ron Paul is about against all government run organizations. Schools, hospitals etc, etc, etc. When the government has its hands in things, it usually becomes sub-standard.

So what happens to education? Public education is gone. Private education will never work. Where does that leave education in the US...?

You don't understand the United States government apparently. Schools would go back to being a state level issue, which is just fine, nobody wants to be the retarded state, there is a good sense of competition in that.

[jay_a2j]

nobody wants to be the retarded state, there is a good sense of competition in that.

[unriggable]

Think outside the box. If there are more private schools to choose from it would bring the cost of attending these schools down. Competition lowers cost. The public schools in this country are complete failures. I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

Here's the thing. That should work, but what a lot of competitors do is that they negotiate so the price never drops below a certain level. Since people have to go to school, they have to deal with this payment, and the schools get more money.

[Backglass]

He is against the National ID card. (I don't want to give up any more of my freedoms...and this card will have GPS)

Please give us a reputable link explaining this national ID card containing a GPS tracking device. Wacko conspiracy You Tube video's not included.

I suppose he is also against Humans marrying Yeti and space alien immigration. How many other imaginary non-issues is he for?

He wants to bring our troops home. (not just from Iraq but all over the world)

I am all for that, but the religious right will never stand for it. They enjoy war-mongering and sending our kids off to die for causeless wars.

He wants to get rid of the IRS and many more needless or unconstitutional government agencies. (wow, NO federal income tax? Sounds like a plan to me)

Wow! Triple the cost of everything we buy! Compact cars for $60,000! A 1200sf home for $900,000! Gas for $10 a gallon! Milk for $6! But HEY! No income tax!

He wants government OUT of people's lives and go back to a nation that follows the Constitution of the United States.

Rhetoric. People SAY they "want the government out of their lives" but they don't mean it. It sounds great, but Americans will scream bloody hell when the shit hits the fan.

When that chemical plant upstream from your house gives your kids Lukemia, you will say "Where is our government?". When the price of gas is $9 and there is no plan on the horizon for alternative fuels, people will say "Where is our government?!". When there is a tornado/hurricane/flood and no FEMA coming to the rescue, the cries will be deafening. "WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP US?!"

"Oh yeah...we downsized."

He wants sound money, backed by something so it has worth.

Why don't you donate your entire paycheck to your church. After all, it has no worth.

Sorry to tell you Jay, but your candidate doesn't have a chance. He is just too much of a wacko loose cannon.

I'd love to own a school! Prayer before class starts, a Bible in every classroom, and you would have the choice of attending there or elsewhere.

And you would face dwindling enrollment, balance sheets in the red and have to shut down...just like thousands of parochial schools are doing across the country.

[unriggable]

Ron Paul is about against all government run organizations. Schools, hospitals etc, etc, etc. When the government has its hands in things, it usually becomes sub-standard.

Yeah, like the police; we're better off hiring bodyguards.

[got tonkaed]

in part, some of the reason that i dont really know if private solutions are the answer to education...

as part of the competitive element, we are going to find out in a couple ways that we dont like a lot of the teacher pool that we currently have. A lot of people who are currently being employed are going to wonder all the sudden why they cant get the quality jobs they want. So then i have a hunch we will run into a scenario where the good teachers have a very large sway over the boards of directors in these schools. This is great for them in the short term, but in case of management labor issues, you run into a serious problem.

With a public good like education, you pretty much are supposed to keep the kids in school at all times. Seemingly in the current system, even if the schooling isnt great, you are by in large able to keep the kids in school for the full school year in most cases. However in a privately run system, what happens when the probably deunionized teachers (as seems likely) end up coming back together in some fashion and create an ugly work stoppage. Does management cave? Do they continue to run a school at loss? Neither one of these answers seems like it will be yes.

When you cant guarantee a public good in spite of profit, which seemingly no board of directors really can do for too long, you guarantee that schools will be cost prohibitive to students or you cannot ensure security of education even at higher levels of institutions.

[suggs]

get the rich to pay more taxes.

[Backglass]

get the rich to pay more taxes.

How much is rich? How much more? Why? Simply because they were successful?

[suggs]

depends if you want crime on your streets.
education is the only way to eradicate/alleviate crime.
and schools cost money.
but, if the rich don't want safe streets, then that is their right.

[Backglass]

depends if you want crime on your streets.
education is the only way to eradicate/alleviate crime.
and schools cost money.
but, if the rich don't want safe streets, then that is their right.

Who is rich? How much?

What constitutes "rich"?

[luns101]

I think you guys have forgotten that Ron Paul plans to revive the Constitution. He's the only one who can do it since he has received the endorsement of the founding fathers...

[radiojake]

The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".

You are perhaps the dumbest piece-of-shit liberal I have ever had the misfortune to read.

I am FAR from a liberal. Try the other end of the political spectrum.

You moron, your post is clearly in the liberal portion of the political spectrum.

Man, this guy is pretty extreme if he is calling jay a liberal.. sheesh.

Hopefully he was only here for that one day

[Backglass]

I dunno...perhaps he read jays rants on the "9-11 cover up conspiracy".

That would explain the "dumb-shit" part anyway.

[a-person1192]

he could rig the polls like bush did in Florida.

[Frigidus]

The war on terror is "a rumor of war". Yes, I know that 911 has succeeded in making people believe that terrorists are out to get us (I was one of them). The government and media have pulled off the biggest con of our time. But the facts tell a different story. In the words of George W. Bush, "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the one's you want to concentrate on".

You are perhaps the dumbest piece-of-shit liberal I have ever had the misfortune to read.

I am FAR from a liberal. Try the other end of the political spectrum.

You moron, your post is clearly in the liberal portion of the political spectrum.

Man, this guy is pretty extreme if he is calling jay a liberal.. sheesh.

Hopefully he was only here for that one day

He took the wrong pills would be my guess.

[jay_a2j]

Please give us a reputable link explaining this national ID card containing a GPS tracking device.

For those who don't have access to Google CLICK HERE!




or HERE


or here


or here



STOP BEING LAZY!!!!!



Oh, and here is a youtube video for all you "conspiracy nuts".

[unriggable]

Jay shut the f*ck up.

[jay_a2j]

I have nothing to say, absolutely no proof of the contrary so I'll show them my colorful use of the English language in hopes of distracting jay from the topic