Martial Arts.

[Strife]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

he honestly has me curious. so far he has gotten defensive when i pointed out some obvious facts and has made no actual argument back to me. i do think that his pedigree seems dubious. but who knows.

Listen, you apparently think you are an expert with Shotokan, you might be I don't know. Incase you can't tell it's not my strongest suit. I've only started taking for bout 3 years now, more history, I was told, will be taught at a 1st degree black. My Sensei told me, today, we are both right, I just came back from class. (Makoto Martial Arts) I made no arguement against you because I was unsure, he said history is taught later so it doesn't "cloud" your mind while learning forms.
He said that Escrima sticks are similar to Kendo sticks but not one in the same. I myself said that they were similar, AD Kendo sticks are real I have a pair sitting on a coffee table in my family room. (I might take a pic and download it to show you.) Also belts mean Fighting and form skill, not a history degree.

I learned Shaolin from my father, who learned from Master Ko. I learned TKD from J.D. Rifkin who learned from He Il Cho.(My father learned from him too) Wing Chun lineage? I'm unsure what you ask for, but my teacher is Sifu Dane, also taught me JKD. In Muay Thai I learned from my uncle whom also taught my cousin. It was very hard since he only spoke Thai. I apologise for attacking your grammar and I never said you were wrong with your history. I'm creating my own style as Bruce Lee did, I wanna be the best of the best and completely unpredictable in battle. Right now people in my area, who compete in fighting competitions know my styles. With my own they won't know whats coming. I plan on combining Muay Thai and Shaolins "Tiger Claw's" to make a deadly union.

finally a reasonable responce. kendo means way of the sword, by the way. so a kendo stick wouldn't make much sense unless you were talking about a boken or shinai.

I don't name these things I just use'em. I'll see if they call it that for a specific reason. (Maybe my Master has been misinformed, for several years...)

[bBurandt]

Curiosity got the best of me, so anybody here into Martial Arts? If so what style and what belt are you. I'll start off:


Muay Thai ~ 7th degree Black belt
Tae-Kwon-Do ~ 7th degree Black belt
Jeet-Kune-Do ~ Black sash
Tang-Soo-Do ~ 2nd Brown belt
Shotokan ~ 3rd Blue belt
Shaolin ~ 7th degree Black belt
Wing Chun ~ 5th degree Black belt

Thats it for me.

so you could basically kill someone with 1 finger... lol

[Strife]

Curiosity got the best of me, so anybody here into Martial Arts? If so what style and what belt are you. I'll start off:


Muay Thai ~ 7th degree Black belt
Tae-Kwon-Do ~ 7th degree Black belt
Jeet-Kune-Do ~ Black sash
Tang-Soo-Do ~ 2nd Brown belt
Shotokan ~ 3rd Blue belt
Shaolin ~ 7th degree Black belt
Wing Chun ~ 5th degree Black belt

Thats it for me.

so you could basically kill someone with 1 finger... lol

It's not that easy. Well, maybe... Nah... I might try this. Lemme get my brother.

[THORNHEART]

i take kyokoshin karate im just about to get my orange belt...i love the full contact fights

[soundout9]

im a steel belt

[strike wolf]

i take kyokoshin karate im just about to get my orange belt...i love the full contact fights

As many of our moves in the Okinawan style are designed to A) kill or B) seriously injure. We weren't allowed to make any contact until green. Even then most of the contact was limited to absorbtion drills (learning to take a hit) and only stomach strikes. Dead on stomach with all the muscle and fat, not the hard stuff. It's only now that I'm a black belt that I get any real contact and even now there are still many rules (no contact to the head, neck or back, no arm bars, obviously no kill shots, avoid kidney shots, nothing below the belt, etc.) I think part of it's the dojo that and I don't mind the restrictions, as I'd probably have a few more broken ribs and a broken nose if it wasn't for them.

[muy_thaiguy]

i take kyokoshin karate im just about to get my orange belt...i love the full contact fights

As many of our moves in the Okinawan style are designed to A) kill or B) seriously injure. We weren't allowed to make any contact until green. Even then most of the contact was limited to absorbtion drills (learning to take a hit) and only stomach strikes. Dead on stomach with all the muscle and fat, not the hard stuff. It's only now that I'm a black belt that I get any real contact and even now there are still many rules (no contact to the head, neck or back, no arm bars, obviously no kill shots, avoid kidney shots, nothing below the belt, etc.) I think part of it's the dojo that and I don't mind the restrictions, as I'd probably have a few more broken ribs and a broken nose if it wasn't for them.

You're missing out on all of the fun then. We train our White Belt 8 year olds leg locks and arm bars (the basic ones) and the higher ranking youngins start out doing soft contact MMA. They may get hurt, but they take it in stride and enjoy it.

[strike wolf]

We learn arm bars and leg locks. We're just not allowed to use them for the sake of sparring. In some ways, yes I would like a little more contact, as we are black belts, which took a long time to get to and required a lot of discipline, and should be trusted not to go overboard. But in other ways, I have seen people of higher rank than me, make mistakes and accidently break someone's nose before.

[muy_thaiguy]

We learn arm bars and leg locks. We're just not allowed to use them for the sake of sparring. In some ways, yes I would like a little more contact, as we are black belts, which took a long time to get to and required a lot of discipline, and should be trusted not to go overboard. But in other ways, I have seen people of higher rank than me, make mistakes and accidently break someone's nose before.

Well, we make sure that kids/lower ranks know what they are doing (accidents are bound to happen anyways), and broken noses are more on the lighter side of injuries (pretty much only to those 20 and above have had worse). But hey, in real life street fights, there aren't going to be any rules, and that is why we started a self-defense class awhile back. It has basically doubled as a class for the "older" people that come there.

[CrazyAnglican]

The two styles I study have radiacally different views about contact.

My Tae-kwon-do school is a contact school. We are pretty uncommon for a TKD school in that we make sure that the sparring match is sincere. We go to the floor and have to fight our way back up. Hair gets pulled. People get pinned, etc. Serious injuries are very rare though. In twenty five years I've only seen two people suffer broken bones of any type. One broke his toe by accidentally kicking the ring on a hanging bag, the other was horseing around before class sparring unsupervised. We practice by punching and kicking sticky notes attached to the bag early on though. It's a killer but man it teaches control. If you can hit a piece of paper without denting the bag you can pretty much spar safely.

My Kung-Soo-Do class has a strict "no contact" policy. White belts points are called if they get to within 8" of the target. As you move up in belt ranks points are called closer to the target. Finally at black belt you should be able to touch a person's Gi without touching them.

I like the contact sparring for the realism and demands, but no contact sparring takes a little pressure off and lets you try things that you might not otherwise.

[Strife]

The two styles I study have radiacally different views about contact.

My Tae-kwon-do school is a contact school. We are pretty uncommon for a TKD school in that we make sure that the sparring match is sincere. We go to the floor and have to fight our way back up. Hair gets pulled. People get pinned, etc. Serious injuries are very rare though. In twenty five years I've only seen two people suffer broken bones of any type. One broke his toe by accidentally kicking the ring on a hanging bag, the other was horseing around before class sparring unsupervised. We practice by punching and kicking sticky notes attached to the bag early on though. It's a killer but man it teaches control. If you can hit a piece of paper without denting the bag you can pretty much spar safely.

My Kung-Soo-Do class has a strict "no contact" policy. White belts points are called if they get to within 8" of the target. As you move up in belt ranks points are called closer to the target. Finally at black belt you should be able to touch a person's Gi without touching them.

I like the contact sparring for the realism and demands, but no contact sparring takes a little pressure off and lets you try things that you might not otherwise.

8" What's the point...

[CrazyAnglican]

In KSD the idea is to never touch your opponent. White Belts are only throwing puches and kicks at a moving target not zeroing in on a particular vital area yet. It's a slower and ostensibly safer way to begin. They have to get progressively closer and closer to their targets as they increase in rank. The theory is this:

"We never pull our punches or kicks. Every kick or punch is thrown with as much force as if we were defending ourselves. We choose the point in space that we are hitting and hit it with full power. As we progress we move the point we are hitting closer and closer to our partner until it is right against their skin. If/when we are attacked then we move that point inside our attacker's body."

It has some advantages. People end up studying the art for a long time, because they avoid the nagging injuries that can plague some hard contact schools. (ie. I worked out with guys in Aikido who joined that style after their knees gave out in Karate)

There isn't one way of working out / sparring that's superior. They all have their advantages.

[muy_thaiguy]

In KSD the idea is to never touch your opponent. White Belts are only throwing puches and kicks at a moving target not zeroing in on a particular vital area yet. It's a slower and ostensibly safer way to begin. They have to get progressively closer and closer to their targets as they increase in rank. The theory is this:

"We never pull our punches or kicks. Every kick or punch is thrown with as much force as if we were defending ourselves. We choose the point in space that we are hitting and hit it with full power. As we progress we move the point we are hitting closer and closer to our partner until it is right against their skin. If/when we are attacked then we move that point inside our attacker's body."

It has some advantages. People end up studying the art for a long time, because they avoid the nagging injuries that can plague some hard contact schools. (ie. I worked out with guys in Aikido who joined that style after their knees gave out in Karate)

There isn't one way of working out / sparring that's superior. They all have their advantages.

I screwed up my knee during class, got surgery, I recovered much more quickly (about 2-3 weeks quicker) thanks to the constant training, and went straight back into it.

[strike wolf]

We learn arm bars and leg locks. We're just not allowed to use them for the sake of sparring. In some ways, yes I would like a little more contact, as we are black belts, which took a long time to get to and required a lot of discipline, and should be trusted not to go overboard. But in other ways, I have seen people of higher rank than me, make mistakes and accidently break someone's nose before.

Well, we make sure that kids/lower ranks know what they are doing (accidents are bound to happen anyways), and broken noses are more on the lighter side of injuries (pretty much only to those 20 and above have had worse). But hey, in real life street fights, there aren't going to be any rules, and that is why we started a self-defense class awhile back. It has basically doubled as a class for the "older" people that come there.

Yes, I realize that broken noses are on the lighter side and if it really came down to life or death, I'm not going to completely cave in because of a couple of broken ribs, it might hurt but I would still do my best to push through it. I would like for the sparring rules to be a less strict but not get rid of them altogether.

What's your favorite move? Mine really depends on the situation but there is one from Shinto (brown belt level kata) that I like to use in my sparring matches, it's a good combination of techniques that works well against trained opponents. I can't really describe it well, but if I find a video of it I will post the link.

[CrazyAnglican]

In KSD the idea is to never touch your opponent. White Belts are only throwing puches and kicks at a moving target not zeroing in on a particular vital area yet. It's a slower and ostensibly safer way to begin. They have to get progressively closer and closer to their targets as they increase in rank. The theory is this:

"We never pull our punches or kicks. Every kick or punch is thrown with as much force as if we were defending ourselves. We choose the point in space that we are hitting and hit it with full power. As we progress we move the point we are hitting closer and closer to our partner until it is right against their skin. If/when we are attacked then we move that point inside our attacker's body."

It has some advantages. People end up studying the art for a long time, because they avoid the nagging injuries that can plague some hard contact schools. (ie. I worked out with guys in Aikido who joined that style after their knees gave out in Karate)

There isn't one way of working out / sparring that's superior. They all have their advantages.

I screwed up my knee during class, got surgery, I recovered much more quickly (about 2-3 weeks quicker) thanks to the constant training, and went straight back into it.

How old are ya'? An 18-19 year old body repairs itself more efficiently than a 40-50 year old one on average. I just broke my ankle and its doing well after three weeks, as well. There are certain levels of abuse that the body isn't designed to take over a long period, however. One of the guys I was referring to had had three surgeries on each knee and was still trying to do leg sweeps in his Karate class. (His Karate instructor might have been trying to discourage this, but I don't know some would some wouldn't). There is no doubt in my mind that contact fighting has it's advantages.

- Confidence in knowing that getting punched or kicked really isn't that
bad.
- Timing and realism in the sparring match.

Non contact and light contact schools have their advantages as well though.

Sorry MTG, IF you thought I was criticizing your system I wasn't. Different people go for different systems based on their personalities and needs. Most systems are good ones. Muay Thai certainly is from all I've heard of it.

[Strife]

In KSD the idea is to never touch your opponent. White Belts are only throwing puches and kicks at a moving target not zeroing in on a particular vital area yet. It's a slower and ostensibly safer way to begin. They have to get progressively closer and closer to their targets as they increase in rank. The theory is this:

"We never pull our punches or kicks. Every kick or punch is thrown with as much force as if we were defending ourselves. We choose the point in space that we are hitting and hit it with full power. As we progress we move the point we are hitting closer and closer to our partner until it is right against their skin. If/when we are attacked then we move that point inside our attacker's body."

It has some advantages. People end up studying the art for a long time, because they avoid the nagging injuries that can plague some hard contact schools. (ie. I worked out with guys in Aikido who joined that style after their knees gave out in Karate)

There isn't one way of working out / sparring that's superior. They all have their advantages.

I screwed up my knee during class, got surgery, I recovered much more quickly (about 2-3 weeks quicker) thanks to the constant training, and went straight back into it.

How old are ya'? An 18-19 year old body repairs itself more efficiently than a 40-50 year old one on average. I just broke my ankle and its doing well after three weeks, as well. There are certain levels of abuse that the body isn't designed to take over a long period, however. One of the guys I was referring to had had three surgeries on each knee and was still trying to do leg sweeps in his Karate class. (His Karate instructor might have been trying to discourage this, but I don't know some would some wouldn't). There is no doubt in my mind that contact fighting has it's advantages.

- Confidence in knowing that getting punched or kicked really isn't that
bad.
- Timing and realism in the sparring match.

Non contact and light contact schools have their advantages as well though.

Sorry MTG, IF you thought I was criticizing your system I wasn't. Different people go for different systems based on their personalities and needs. Most systems are good ones. Muay Thai certainly is from all I've heard of it.

I'm pretty sure MTG is 18, maybe older. Anyway, Muay Thai is a good style, but only if you know how to use it. I would have to say if a guy were to just start Muay Thai and start sparring with someone who just started TKD, I'm pretty sure TKD would be the winner. It's not that one or the other is truely better but TKD is easier in the sence that it's less physically and mentally exhausting. When I started Muay Thai I had no idea how harsh it was going to be. I'm sure I looked like a complete fool trying to do a Flying Knee and fall on the landing. When I started TKD I look back and it was so easy in the beggining(it might be that I was four when I started TKD). But, I have taken alot of kicks to the head and forgot where I was going with this story...

[strike wolf]

MTG is 18.

[Stymie]

My 8 year old son is a purple belt in Tae Kwon Do.

[ignotus]

My 8 year old son is a purple belt in Tae Kwon Do.

So now you're hiding behind your son?

[muy_thaiguy]

MTG is 18.

I am. I was only about 16-17 years old at the time. Though that was my second knee surgery. My first one took awhile longer to heal.

[strike wolf]

Sounds like you have too much contact.

[muy_thaiguy]

Sounds like you have too much contact.

Well, the first time my knee was naturally screwed up. It would keep popping out of place at the worst of times. And my other knee was injured while having a wrestling/grappling match in class.

[CrazyAnglican]

Sounds like you have too much contact.

Well, the first time my knee was naturally screwed up. It would keep popping out of place at the worst of times. And my other knee was injured while having a wrestling/grappling match in class.

Be kind to them you'll knee-d them later

[muy_thaiguy]

Sounds like you have too much contact.

Well, the first time my knee was naturally screwed up. It would keep popping out of place at the worst of times. And my other knee was injured while having a wrestling/grappling match in class.

Be kind to them you'll knee-d them later

Gah! Puns!

[strike wolf]

I know no one even noticed, but I feel I should correct something. Apparently my head was in the clouds yesterday as I said that one of my katas was called shinto, what I meant to say was chinto.