Iraq Statistics

[got tonkaed]

frankly i would be willing to suggest that the US basically did not put much of a plan of attack into afghanistan at all, or at least pretty much disregarded the last few decades of intel on the subject. In many ways i think iraq was always the bigger goal, as there has been so little consistency with coverage of afghanistan and the like. The fact of the matter is, if we were going to go to war, if you really stretch for it, theres probably the war that would have made sense to fight (afghanistan) and would have been terribly costly, and the war we wanted to fight, which has been terribly costly. For some reason we are trying to do both.

[Baghdad]

The real question is whether it is at all useful for us to remain in Iraq,and if so, how to create a solution. This solution ought to be a splitting of Iraq into three seperate nations, and very rapid withdrawal of our troops outside of any sector not concerned with terrorism potentially harming the West.

That is what the West wants... Splitting Iraq as they did with Germany so its easier to control... One will be "Test Yer Weapons Zone" and another would be "The Privatized Corporations and also, Get Yer Oil From Here"

Stop kidding yourself...

I think that eventually something similar to this must happen otherwise there will be civil war, as in the Baltics it is simply not possible to create a country from bitterly opposed groups.

As strange as I may sound, there is no Civil War in Iraq... Yes, believe me, there isn't any

Ever heard of the Mercenaries and the Private Contractors? Well, the Private Contractors range from custodians to "Al- Qaidia"

They are the ones that burn a Mosque here and blame the Shia, and burn a Mosque there and blame the Sunni- stuff like that...

And you cannot tell me this is false, for I saw it with my own eyes when I visited Iraq a few years ago... Video's sold in Flea Markets show approximately 4-5 American Soldiers; "supposedly" Patroling the streets to defend the poor Iraqi families... Well...

They come to a halt approximately 300-400 meters from the man who is recording the Video...

After they come to a halt, 4 of them jump out and immediately draw their Weapons.. 2 other soldiers walk out carrying a huge blackish object and set it on the ground... They start fiddling with it and it explodes engulfing all 6 men with its flame

And you may choose to accept it or not, but I personally do for I saw it with my own eyes... And if you think about it, it makes sense for the US Government to cause problems and "sectarian wars" to have an excuse to stay there longer

Use your head for once, stop devouring the bullshit the media feeds you... Seriously, think for yourself for once...

[Frigidus]

The real question is whether it is at all useful for us to remain in Iraq,and if so, how to create a solution. This solution ought to be a splitting of Iraq into three seperate nations, and very rapid withdrawal of our troops outside of any sector not concerned with terrorism potentially harming the West.

That is what the West wants... Splitting Iraq as they did with Germany so its easier to control... One will be "Test Yer Weapons Zone" and another would be "The Privatized Corporations and also, Get Yer Oil From Here"

Stop kidding yourself...

I think that eventually something similar to this must happen otherwise there will be civil war, as in the Baltics it is simply not possible to create a country from bitterly opposed groups.

As strange as I may sound, there is no Civil War in Iraq... Yes, believe me, there isn't any

Ever heard of the Mercenaries and the Private Contractors? Well, the Private Contractors range from custodians to "Al- Qaidia"

They are the ones that burn a Mosque here and blame the Shia, and burn a Mosque there and blame the Sunni- stuff like that...

And you cannot tell me this is false, for I saw it with my own eyes when I visited Iraq a few years ago... Video's sold in Flea Markets show approximately 4-5 American Soldiers; "supposedly" Patroling the streets to defend the poor Iraqi families... Well...

They come to a halt approximately 300-400 meters from the man who is recording the Video...

After they come to a halt, 4 of them jump out and immediately draw their Weapons.. 2 other soldiers walk out carrying a huge blackish object and set it on the ground... They start fiddling with it and it explodes engulfing all 6 men with its flame

And you may choose to accept it or not, but I personally do for I saw it with my own eyes... And if you think about it, it makes sense for the US Government to cause problems and "sectarian wars" to have an excuse to stay there longer

Use your head for once, stop devouring the bullshit the media feeds you... Seriously, think for yourself for once...

Wait...what happened? 6 soldiers blew themselves up? I don't get it.

[Snorri1234]

The real question is whether it is at all useful for us to remain in Iraq,and if so, how to create a solution. This solution ought to be a splitting of Iraq into three seperate nations, and very rapid withdrawal of our troops outside of any sector not concerned with terrorism potentially harming the West.

That is what the West wants... Splitting Iraq as they did with Germany so its easier to control... One will be "Test Yer Weapons Zone" and another would be "The Privatized Corporations and also, Get Yer Oil From Here"

Stop kidding yourself...

I think that eventually something similar to this must happen otherwise there will be civil war, as in the Baltics it is simply not possible to create a country from bitterly opposed groups.

As strange as I may sound, there is no Civil War in Iraq... Yes, believe me, there isn't any

Ever heard of the Mercenaries and the Private Contractors? Well, the Private Contractors range from custodians to "Al- Qaidia"

They are the ones that burn a Mosque here and blame the Shia, and burn a Mosque there and blame the Sunni- stuff like that...

And you cannot tell me this is false, for I saw it with my own eyes when I visited Iraq a few years ago... Video's sold in Flea Markets show approximately 4-5 American Soldiers; "supposedly" Patroling the streets to defend the poor Iraqi families... Well...

They come to a halt approximately 300-400 meters from the man who is recording the Video...

After they come to a halt, 4 of them jump out and immediately draw their Weapons.. 2 other soldiers walk out carrying a huge blackish object and set it on the ground... They start fiddling with it and it explodes engulfing all 6 men with its flame

And you may choose to accept it or not, but I personally do for I saw it with my own eyes... And if you think about it, it makes sense for the US Government to cause problems and "sectarian wars" to have an excuse to stay there longer

Use your head for once, stop devouring the bullshit the media feeds you... Seriously, think for yourself for once...

Wait...what happened? 6 soldiers blew themselves up? I don't get it.

That's some fucking patriotism right there.

[Frigidus]

The real question is whether it is at all useful for us to remain in Iraq,and if so, how to create a solution. This solution ought to be a splitting of Iraq into three seperate nations, and very rapid withdrawal of our troops outside of any sector not concerned with terrorism potentially harming the West.

That is what the West wants... Splitting Iraq as they did with Germany so its easier to control... One will be "Test Yer Weapons Zone" and another would be "The Privatized Corporations and also, Get Yer Oil From Here"

Stop kidding yourself...

I think that eventually something similar to this must happen otherwise there will be civil war, as in the Baltics it is simply not possible to create a country from bitterly opposed groups.

As strange as I may sound, there is no Civil War in Iraq... Yes, believe me, there isn't any

Ever heard of the Mercenaries and the Private Contractors? Well, the Private Contractors range from custodians to "Al- Qaidia"

They are the ones that burn a Mosque here and blame the Shia, and burn a Mosque there and blame the Sunni- stuff like that...

And you cannot tell me this is false, for I saw it with my own eyes when I visited Iraq a few years ago... Video's sold in Flea Markets show approximately 4-5 American Soldiers; "supposedly" Patroling the streets to defend the poor Iraqi families... Well...

They come to a halt approximately 300-400 meters from the man who is recording the Video...

After they come to a halt, 4 of them jump out and immediately draw their Weapons.. 2 other soldiers walk out carrying a huge blackish object and set it on the ground... They start fiddling with it and it explodes engulfing all 6 men with its flame

And you may choose to accept it or not, but I personally do for I saw it with my own eyes... And if you think about it, it makes sense for the US Government to cause problems and "sectarian wars" to have an excuse to stay there longer

Use your head for once, stop devouring the bullshit the media feeds you... Seriously, think for yourself for once...

Wait...what happened? 6 soldiers blew themselves up? I don't get it.

That's some fucking patriotism right there.

Well, I'm sorry, I couldn't find the punchline.

[comic boy]

The real question is whether it is at all useful for us to remain in Iraq,and if so, how to create a solution. This solution ought to be a splitting of Iraq into three seperate nations, and very rapid withdrawal of our troops outside of any sector not concerned with terrorism potentially harming the West.

That is what the West wants... Splitting Iraq as they did with Germany so its easier to control... One will be "Test Yer Weapons Zone" and another would be "The Privatized Corporations and also, Get Yer Oil From Here"

Stop kidding yourself...

I think that eventually something similar to this must happen otherwise there will be civil war, as in the Baltics it is simply not possible to create a country from bitterly opposed groups.

As strange as I may sound, there is no Civil War in Iraq... Yes, believe me, there isn't any

Ever heard of the Mercenaries and the Private Contractors? Well, the Private Contractors range from custodians to "Al- Qaidia"

They are the ones that burn a Mosque here and blame the Shia, and burn a Mosque there and blame the Sunni- stuff like that...

And you cannot tell me this is false, for I saw it with my own eyes when I visited Iraq a few years ago... Video's sold in Flea Markets show approximately 4-5 American Soldiers; "supposedly" Patroling the streets to defend the poor Iraqi families... Well...

They come to a halt approximately 300-400 meters from the man who is recording the Video...

After they come to a halt, 4 of them jump out and immediately draw their Weapons.. 2 other soldiers walk out carrying a huge blackish object and set it on the ground... They start fiddling with it and it explodes engulfing all 6 men with its flame

And you may choose to accept it or not, but I personally do for I saw it with my own eyes... And if you think about it, it makes sense for the US Government to cause problems and "sectarian wars" to have an excuse to stay there longer

Use your head for once, stop devouring the bullshit the media feeds you... Seriously, think for yourself for once...

Im sorry but I find most conspiracy theories to be myths, you didnt witness anything personally you saw a video. Can you not see the irony of on the one hand announcing how easily media can be manipulated whilst on the other hand citing an example as gospel. I have seen many reports from sources that in no way could be called pro Invasion yet none have made the assertions you have, there is undoubtebly conflict between Sunni and Shi'a. Groups will pull together when faced with a common foe ( currently the USA ) but the old differences remain. As for the West wishing to split up Iraq, in fact all they would be doing would be restoring the historical balance, it was the British who cobbled it together in the first place.

[Baghdad]

Er, forgive me bro... The last part was directed at Napoleon

And no shit man, there are differences between every ethnic group... That does not mean we want to eat the guts of our fellow country men...

And when I denounced Media, I meant the Media in the US and Britain (Britains somewhat better than that of the US)

[Frigidus]

Er, forgive me bro... The last part was directed at Napoleon

And no shit man, there are differences between every ethnic group... That does not mean we want to eat the guts of our fellow country men...

And when I denounced Media, I meant the Media in the US and Britain (Britains somewhat better than that of the US)

All media, no matter where it is, will have an obvious bias.

[Napoleon Ier]

Er, forgive me bro... The last part was directed at Napoleon

And no shit man, there are differences between every ethnic group... That does not mean we want to eat the guts of our fellow country men...

And when I denounced Media, I meant the Media in the US and Britain (Britains somewhat better than that of the US)

1/Sunnis and Shias aren't different racial groups
2/It is precisely because I think for myself I haven't succumbed to the infantile "they did it for oil" mentality, when statistics clearly show the contrary, since the prices since Iraq have reached a peak at almost $95, and the US are getting nothing out of Iraq, if suppressing Al-Qaeda, even that isn't working.

Conclusion :
if the US truly had the sinister motives you suggest, why not pull out of Irq now its proved problematic? they had a different, maybe equally sinister, motive for invasion, most plausibly, suppression of Al-Qaeda, Bush being determined not to repeat Clinton's mistake with the half-hearted lobbing of a few missiles into Afghanistan after Qaeda attacks.

[Snorri1234]

Er, forgive me bro... The last part was directed at Napoleon

And no shit man, there are differences between every ethnic group... That does not mean we want to eat the guts of our fellow country men...

And when I denounced Media, I meant the Media in the US and Britain (Britains somewhat better than that of the US)

1/Sunnis and Shias aren't different racial groups

Ethniticy doesn't imply different race.

2/It is precisely because I think for myself I haven't succumbed to the infantile "they did it for oil" mentality, when statistics clearly show the contrary, since the prices since Iraq have reached a peak at almost $95, and the US are getting nothing out of Iraq, if suppressing Al-Qaeda, even that isn't working.

Just because the prices have gone up doesn't mean they didn't do it for the oil.
And duh that suppressing Al-Qaeda isn't working.

Conclusion :
if the US truly had the sinister motives you suggest, why not pull out of Irq now its proved problematic? they had a different, maybe equally sinister, motive for invasion, most plausibly, suppression of Al-Qaeda, Bush being determined not to repeat Clinton's mistake with the half-hearted lobbing of a few missiles into Afghanistan after Qaeda attacks.

Because they're idiots?
Not to mention that the Business' are making money.

[unriggable]

Whoever started this thread:

These statistics were around identical in 2002.

[PhatJoey]

I got MY facts from MY SON. He was there fighting to free those people from a merciless, genocidal maniac while you were sitting on your butt complaining about the price of Big Mac's going up!

Your son isn't fighting to free 'those' people. He is there because he is a chump who has been told to fight by his superior officer (he is a chump because he joined the army in the first place)

He is there to ensure the relative ease for multi-national corporations to come into the region and start profiteering in a whole new country that they were otherwise unable to enter. Go have a look at what companies are currently running the Iraqi National Bank (I'll give a hint, it isn't Iraqi)

Also - Big Mac's are disgusting, as are all McDonalds products

First of all, he's a Marine. One of the best in the world. Secondly, it was a few million "chumps" like him that kept Japan from over-running Australia's sorry butt in WWII.

I hope if you folks are ever in that position again, we let you get what you ungrateful people have coming to you.

[PhatJoey]

Ok. So here's the end to ALL of Bagdad's assertions.

IF he is right and we are there for the oil, we would be pumping the country dry right now and the price of oil would be dropping.

But wait! It's actually at an all time high. Gee . . . That can only mean the oil money is being used for what it is supposed to be, rebuilding and caring for the people of Iraq to whom the oil and the money really belong to in the first place.

So Bagdad . . . give it up. You're just plain wrong.

[PhatJoey]

The saddest thing Bagdad and RadioJake, is that you don't even realize that you are a victim of those who are trying to re-write the history books.

I'll say it again. Put YOUR feet on the ground there and ONLY then will you be able to speak with authority, facts and truth.

[Frigidus]

Ok. So here's the end to ALL of Bagdad's assertions.

IF he is right and we are there for the oil, we would be pumping the country dry right now and the price of oil would be dropping.

But wait! It's actually at an all time high. Gee . . . That can only mean the oil money is being used for what it is supposed to be, rebuilding and caring for the people of Iraq to whom the oil and the money really belong to in the first place.

So Bagdad . . . give it up. You're just plain wrong.

He'll just make the claim (that conveniently can't be proven either way) that some big-wigs who are pulling the strings from the shadows are making a fortune.

[Nobunaga]

... Iraq... Oil, Halliburton, money-grubbing corporations, the Evil Rich, ... blah blah blah...

... It's funny. The folks here promoting the "Think for yourself and don't be a sheep" idea are found lacking the facts.

... Google "Iraqi oil" and China and see what you find.

... Iraq's oil is not headed west, it's going east. The deal is sealed.

... I guess the maintenance of peace with China for access to oil is beyond the average man's ability to grasp? Perhaps not ability, but the effort required to know is too much for the lazy, reality TV - watching b*stards.

...

[Neutrino]

First of all, he's a Marine. One of the best in the world. Secondly, it was a few million "chumps" like him that kept Japan from over-running Australia's sorry butt in WWII.

I hope if you folks are ever in that position again, we let you get what you ungrateful people have coming to you.

Is it possible for there to be one whole argument concerning the US where someone dosen't play the ol' WW2 card?

"My ancestors saved yours! I automatically win any argument due to this long defunct fact!"

WW2 ended almost 70 years ago, in case you didn't notice. Claiming that "my nation saved yours" is pointless in the extreme. Why don't you bow and scrape at the feet of the British, who created your nation. It has almost the same relivance.

[muy_thaiguy]

First of all, he's a Marine. One of the best in the world. Secondly, it was a few million "chumps" like him that kept Japan from over-running Australia's sorry butt in WWII.

I hope if you folks are ever in that position again, we let you get what you ungrateful people have coming to you.

Is it possible for there to be one whole argument concerning the US where someone dosen't play the ol' WW2 card?

"My ancestors saved yours! I automatically win any argument due to this long defunct fact!"

WW2 ended almost 70 years ago, in case you didn't notice. Claiming that "my nation saved yours" is pointless in the extreme. Why don't you bow and scrape at the feet of the British, who created your nation. It has almost the same relivance.

Technically, the British just pushed most of the other Europeans out, except for Spain and France. France only held territory West of the Mississippi, England kicked the Dutch out of New England, and Spain still controlled Florida. Also, they did not create it, it was Americans, the British did not see a country, only colonies in rebelion. Slight difference there.

[CoffeeCream]

Is it possible for there to be one whole argument concerning the US where someone dosen't play the ol' WW2 card?

"My ancestors saved yours! I automatically win any argument due to this long defunct fact!"

WW2 ended almost 70 years ago, in case you didn't notice. Claiming that "my nation saved yours" is pointless in the extreme. Why don't you bow and scrape at the feet of the British, who created your nation. It has almost the same relivance.

Sorry, but you don't get to selectively dismiss historical facts that you don't like.

[DaGip]

*Did you know that in November of 2007, Fallujah is starting to get their first ever sewer system? They used to throw their shit out a window.

*U.S. military engineers have completed nearly 300 major water and sewage projects in Baghdad and across Iraq in the past few years

*Did you know that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq ?

*Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

*Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,
364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction
and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

*Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of
20 Universities
46 Institutes or colleges and
4 research centers, all currently operating

*Did you know that 25 Iraqi students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?

*Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.

*Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of 3 operational squadrons,
which includes 9 reconnaissance and transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

*Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

*Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

*Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

*Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

*Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

*Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

*Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
and phone use has gone up 158%?

*Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

*Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

*Did you know that Two candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!

WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?
BECAUSE...

OUR NEWS MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Instead of reflecting our love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two
purposes:

It is intended to undermine the world's perception of The United States
thus minimizing consequent support, and it is intended to discourage American citizens.[/b]

Convenient repercussion. Fact is if American owned companies weren't making billions of dollars from this war, they wouldn't be there. Why not help Zimbabwe? President Mugabe is just as much an asshole as Saddam. Oh wait.. not sure if Zimbabwe has much natural resources to exploit and turn into money... not worth it, yeah?

He didn't write these stats himself...it is e'mail spam! I got that spam a few years ago, tries to make the invasion and murder of innocent Iraqis seem well worth it...phuk off, BushLover!

[Neutrino]

Sorry, but you don't get to selectively dismiss historical facts that you don't like.

Huh? How am I "selectively dismissing facts I don't like"? The US' performance in WW2 is completely off topic for any conversation that doesn't directly relate to WW2. Hell, extrapolating from other posters on this site, he (and you, presumably) are half a post away from claiming that the US singly handedly took on Germany and the entire rest of the Allies served no purpose other than to delay Germany for a few years.
Everyone did their part in WW2 and arbitrarily claiming that the US saved Australia with little to no help from any of the other Allied powers doesn't change that.

/offtopic

[radiojake]

First of all, he's a Marine. One of the best in the world. Secondly, it was a few million "chumps" like him that kept Japan from over-running Australia's sorry butt in WWII.

I hope if you folks are ever in that position again, we let you get what you ungrateful people have coming to you.

Relevance to Iraq?? Please enlighten me. Fighting of Nazi Germany and the Japanese in the 1940's is a completly different and non related issue to the current war on Iraq -

This isn't a war, it's an invasion and occupation. If anything, the US in this instance has taken the role of aggressor (i.e Nazi's or Japanese) -

Also, Marine/Soldier/whatever - he still just a glorified licensed murderer.

[Neutrino]

Also, Marine/Soldier/whatever - he still just a glorified licensed murderer.

QFT

I have absolutely no idea why some people seem to consider it completely acceptable for wholesale murder to take place just 'cause some official paper has been drafted or one government has declared the other to be possessed by demons.

[comic boy]

Well the Soviet Union had a pretty big say in beating Hitler,does that make their post war foreign policy acceptable ?

[Frigidus]

To all the above posts, I agree with you that WWII is irrelevant, but if somebody called my son (don't have one, whatever) a murdering, lapdog, chump I'd get pretty pissed too.