Communism

[Chris7He]

china can keep selling us cheap toys and t shirts but sooner or later the oppression gonna break the chinese and they will figght back sytarted to in tianamen sqaure but that was ruthlessly put down

China's a pretty good system. Their middle class is growing fast since it has begun investing in nations the US has left behind like soiled rags (ie Iran and Sudan).

[Tyr]

china can keep selling us cheap toys and t shirts but sooner or later the oppression gonna break the chinese and they will figght back sytarted to in tianamen sqaure but that was ruthlessly put down

China's a pretty good system. Their middle class is growing fast since it has begun investing in nations the US has left behind like soiled rags (ie Iran and Sudan).

sure some people are well off in china but their the ones who benifit from capitalism directly the rural farmers and factory workers live in unbearable conditions

[muy_thaiguy]

china can keep selling us cheap toys and t shirts but sooner or later the oppression gonna break the chinese and they will figght back sytarted to in tianamen sqaure but that was ruthlessly put down

China's a pretty good system. Their middle class is growing fast since it has begun investing in nations the US has left behind like soiled rags (ie Iran and Sudan).

Good? How? Most of the population is BELOW the poverty line, and it sure as hell is not getting smaller. Not to mention child labor in factories and construction workers wondering if they will ever be able to have a home, or a paying job. China is forcing people to do alot of labor, without paying them.

[Chris7He]

china can keep selling us cheap toys and t shirts but sooner or later the oppression gonna break the chinese and they will figght back sytarted to in tianamen sqaure but that was ruthlessly put down

China's a pretty good system. Their middle class is growing fast since it has begun investing in nations the US has left behind like soiled rags (ie Iran and Sudan).

sure some people are well off in china but their the ones who benifit from capitalism directly the rural farmers and factory workers live in unbearable conditions

Yes and most of the US farmers' children have to drop out to help their parents while private industries move in. Big fast food industries have driven small ranchers and farmers deep into debt. Many commit suicide to get out.

China's economy is growing fast, but it's declining working age population and inflation as a result of some government policies are harming the economy. China plans to expand overseas and is buying large amounts of US currency.

[NaynNay]

lol, the chinese government WANTS a worthless currency (semi anyway), to keep their exports cheap look at the bright: while there's still tens of millions in abject poverty in villages, there's also now tens of millions who are nearly out of poverty ^_^

[Chris7He]

Why do you always have a pretty girl as your avatar?

China floats currency and issues more and more yen to inflate the economy. I'm not sure why (other than what you said).

[frogger4]

*start rant*
It seems to me that there is a big difference between Communism in theory and in practice. In theory, even though it goes against almost all capitalistic American ideals, communism can be good, if handled correctly. Unfortunately, often times, the leaders of it take too much power and often becomes a totalitarian state where the people are oppressed and worse off than they started off as. Communism can work as long as a) the entire population supports it and b) the government does not abuse power.
*end rant*

[Bigfalcon65]

*start rant*
It seems to me that there is a big difference between Communism in theory and in practice. In theory, even though it goes against almost all capitalistic American ideals, communism can be good, if handled correctly. Unfortunately, often times, the leaders of it take too much power and often becomes a totalitarian state where the people are oppressed and worse off than they started off as. Communism can work as long as a) the entire population supports it and b) the government does not abuse power.
*end rant*

*start insult*thank you for repeating what most everyone has already said ya dumb nappy headed hoe. Unfortunately your gay and can't read and for this i am truly sorry but at least get up to speed on the topic at hand.*end insult*

[Chris7He]

This is kind of irrelevant, but Dick Cheney's Law (a documentary) told of Dick Cheney life story and political beliefs. Dick Cheney spent time working in various Republican and Democratic administrations. Seeing Nixon impeached and Clinton tried and president after president being forced to report to the US Democratic Congress and suck up to them made Cheney angry at the injustice.

Cheney wanted the President to have unlimited power in other words 'do whatever he wants' or 'dictator'. Cheney's work is evident in the Bush administration. He used 9/11 and the War on Terror to force Congress to give Bush unlimited war powers (the major reason why we're in Iraq). Bush can literally do whatever he wants (as long as he doesn't rob a bank or something like that).

[Chris7He]

Can I say that we Communists have defeated the Capitalists in a philosophical debate? I'm really ready for more arguing right now.

[frogger4]

*start rant*
It seems to me that there is a big difference between Communism in theory and in practice. In theory, even though it goes against almost all capitalistic American ideals, communism can be good, if handled correctly. Unfortunately, often times, the leaders of it take too much power and often becomes a totalitarian state where the people are oppressed and worse off than they started off as. Communism can work as long as a) the entire population supports it and b) the government does not abuse power.
*end rant*

*start insult*thank you for repeating what most everyone has already said ya dumb nappy headed hoe. Unfortunately your gay and can't read and for this i am truly sorry but at least get up to speed on the topic at hand.*end insult*

See, the difference is that is that I happen to live in a free society rather than a communistic society, so I can say the exact same thing as everyone before me if I feel like, I really don't see why you should care (or do you not believe in free speech, I won't call you a commie, because then this becomes a flame, but it seems to me you just aren't capable of ignoring someone's post)

btw, I should learn to read, it might help me out, but I am an american, I can choose what I want.

[Stopper]

Has everyone decided whether we should start the revolution, then, or what?

[Chris7He]

*start rant*
It seems to me that there is a big difference between Communism in theory and in practice. In theory, even though it goes against almost all capitalistic American ideals, communism can be good, if handled correctly. Unfortunately, often times, the leaders of it take too much power and often becomes a totalitarian state where the people are oppressed and worse off than they started off as. Communism can work as long as a) the entire population supports it and b) the government does not abuse power.
*end rant*

*start insult*thank you for repeating what most everyone has already said ya dumb nappy headed hoe. Unfortunately your gay and can't read and for this i am truly sorry but at least get up to speed on the topic at hand.*end insult*

See, the difference is that is that I happen to live in a free society rather than a communistic society, so I can say the exact same thing as everyone before me if I feel like, I really don't see why you should care (or do you not believe in free speech, I won't call you a commie, because then this becomes a flame, but it seems to me you just aren't capable of ignoring someone's post)

btw, I should learn to read, it might help me out, but I am an american, I can choose what I want.

Free? That's what you think. A majority decides for minorities who don't have a voice in society or rigged elections or electoral college that allow a minority (George W. Bush) take control. Capitalism is not without it's flaws and Communism is not without it's flaws. I'm introducing an interesting alternative to Capitalism. Consider the fall of Democratic Athens to Oligarchic Sparta.

[Chris7He]

Has everyone decided whether we should start the revolution, then, or what?

I condone terrorism.

[neoni]

i only read the first page but it looks like very few of you know what communism is

[Chris7He]

i only read the first page but it looks like very few of you know what communism is

Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production. It is usually considered a branch of the broader socialist movement that draws on the various political and intellectual movements that trace their origins back to the work of Karl Marx.

“The Communists... are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.
The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat." - Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto, 1848”

[Tyr]

as good a definition as i could say

[Chris7He]

One day the proletariat will over throw the oppresive capitalists.

[ignotus]

One day the proletariat will over throw the oppresive capitalists.

...in North Korea maybe.

[Chris7He]

I am offering an alternative to Capitalism. Capitalism continues to experience Depressions but climbing back from it. A combination between the two ideals would be good.

[Tyr]

doubt it most people are satisfied with capitilism and those who arent are usually from the upper class

[ignotus]

A combination between the two ideals would be good.

maybe... That's what socialists claim. They seek the middle way between Communism and Capitalism.

[Chris7He]

That doesn't make sense. During the Bolshevik and Cultural Revolutions, any person who owned land or was considered slightly above middle class was stripped of property and jailed.

[Neutrino]

doubt it most people are satisfied with capitilism and those who arent are usually from the upper class

Huh? I'd say those that are are the wealthier parts of the population. They're the ones to whom Capitalism has been of direct benifit too. It's the poorer parts who are fed up with a system that only disadvantages them.

[Chris7He]

doubt it most people are satisfied with capitilism and those who arent are usually from the upper class

Huh? I'd say those that are are the wealthier parts of the population. They're the ones to whom Capitalism has been of direct benifit too. It's the poorer parts who are fed up with a system that only disadvantages them.

I think Tyr is a little confused.