A VIDEO THAT WILL FOOL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!

[Stopper]

This is what never ceases to amaze me. Every accusation in "Farenheit 911" was proven false, that there never were WMD's, that the Bush administration invented the crisis and the connection between 911 and Iraq, etc., but people still quote the lies as facts. Moore finally said " It was just satire for entertainment, it was never supposed to be a serious documentary." Hogwash. He meant it to do exactly what it did. Persuade many people with lies.

There are no, and there were no, Weapons of Mass Destruction....

And the Bush administration never had reason to believe that there were WMD's. WMD's was just one of many stories that they came up with to justify an invasion of Iraq. ...connections between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, "terrorist training camps", etc etc - all mud thrown in the hopes that some would stick. In other words, the Bush administration was looking for a reason, any halfway-plausible reason to go to war, and to hell with whether it was actually true or not.

Thank you for clarifying my argument. Yes, those are exactly the accusations that Moore was forced to admit were all false, but those who must oppose Bush at all costs continue to repeat with no reason except "but it was in Farenheit 911! It must be true!"

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Bush administration did not encourage the idea that there was a link between Iraq and 9/11? And are you still suggesting that there were WMD's in Iraq?

There is no need for recourse to fat lefties to shake off either of these bizarre ideas. Just bringing yourself up-to-date with current affairs over the last four years will do the trick.

[jay_a2j]

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Bush administration did not encourage the idea that there was a link between Iraq and 9/11? And are you still suggesting that there were WMD's in Iraq?

As I recall,(I could be mistaken) the reason Bush gave for invading Iraq was he feared terrorist would obtain weapons from Saddam and bring them to the US for more attacks. He never said, "There was a link to 911".

The issue of WMD's. Saddam had 14 months leading up to the invasion to move the wmd's out of his country. I bet if we went to Saudi we'd find them.

[vtmarik]

Some info on that:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

RUSSERT: Do you still believe there is no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?
CHENEY: “Well, what we now have that’s developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that—it’s been pretty well confirmed that [9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack.” [NBC, Meet The Press, 12/9/01]

CHENEY: If we’re successful in Iraq, … we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.” [NBC, Meet The Press, 9/14/03]

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They never said that "Iraq was connected to Al-Qaida," but they weren't above mentioning them in the same sentence several times to imply a connection in the media.

[unriggable]

The issue of WMD's. Saddam had 14 months leading up to the invasion to move the wmd's out of his country. I bet if we went to Saudi we'd find them.

Yeah, lets tear up the rest of the middle east while we're at it.

[vtmarik]

The issue of WMD's. Saddam had 14 months leading up to the invasion to move the wmd's out of his country. I bet if we went to Saudi we'd find them.

Yeah, lets tear up the rest of the middle east while we're at it.

Yeah, I mean, while we're doing so well in Iraq, we certainly have the money and the means to invade Saudi Arabia, which coincidentally is where the majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

[Simonov]

usa - the self proclaimed saviors of modern world: (f*ck them!)

ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ogMIxvmIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XTgzrhzHEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxfeX-YTLMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXyCz9YvQM

[Simonov]

[vtmarik]

Proof that wingnuts take all guises.

The US is not the new Nazi Germany. The Nazis were efficient and made the trains run on time. The US is closer to the Soviet Union in the 50s and 60s.

Big bark, Nukes, crumbling economy, politicians who are completely out of touch with reality....


By the way, that's not "Anti-propaganda," it's just regular propaganda.

[Simonov]

american paranoia:

Cafe "Osama" forced to change name

A cafe called Osama opposite the US embassy in Belgrade has been told to change its name after diplomats complained.

The word Osama means 'secluded' in Serbo-Croat and cafe owner Milomir Jeftic said he had named his shop after a local shelter for the homeless.

But he has been told to change it after an official complaint from the US Embassy, local media reported.

But Jeftic said: "I had no intention of offending Americans. It is just a word in Serbian.

"I admit I have heard of Osama Bin Laden, but until now I was not quite sure who he was."

[Simonov]

"brave" US soldiers in iraq and afghanistan:

fighting the terrorist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rRrZlYN2xw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFKR9jzenyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUD9kAMhLPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2U3ZqoLfw

education of children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNFUWbZqP20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUg-bdE7M70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1zrss0fwmM

saving animals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ9VY9QeF7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OasEHR5Ije0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BihkS8FBZhA

helping civilians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-bVDjBaXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL5vtXuQrYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFOF-jv32dA

what a great nation this americans.
sick bastards... enough evidence?

[mandalorian2298]

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Bush administration did not encourage the idea that there was a link between Iraq and 9/11? And are you still suggesting that there were WMD's in Iraq?

As I recall,(I could be mistaken) the reason Bush gave for invading Iraq was he feared terrorist would obtain weapons from Saddam and bring them to the US for more attacks. He never said, "There was a link to 911".

The issue of WMD's. Saddam had 14 months leading up to the invasion to move the wmd's out of his country. I bet if we went to Saudi we'd find them.

As I said before, when you are facing war, the first thing to do is hide away your WEAPONS of mass destruction. Lot of stealing goes on in the war, see, and those thing are expencive.

[Stopper]

Sorry, are you suggesting that the Bush administration did not encourage the idea that there was a link between Iraq and 9/11? And are you still suggesting that there were WMD's in Iraq?

As I recall,(I could be mistaken) the reason Bush gave for invading Iraq was he feared terrorist would obtain weapons from Saddam and bring them to the US for more attacks. He never said, "There was a link to 911".

The issue of WMD's. Saddam had 14 months leading up to the invasion to move the wmd's out of his country. I bet if we went to Saudi we'd find them.

I think vtmarik's covered the linkage-to-911 issue really well in his post.

I assume your comment about the WMD's was a joke. Bloody weird one, though. I'm not quite sure I get it.

[Nephilim]

toby keith wouldn't like this video. and if toby doesn't like it, it's not truly american......

wrong again, jay

[Carebian Knight]

I regret all deaths that have happened in Iraq and throughout the rest of the world because of it. However war is a part of human history. Humans are to different from each other, there will never be true peace in the world until the end of it. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, sooner or later Iraq would have used it's WMD's(which are in the Middle East somewhere), maybe not on the US but he still would have used them. I admit the saying "going to war to prevent war" is kinda weird, but it is true. If a war was imminent wouldn't you want to be the attacker instead of the attackee?

[Stopper]

I regret all deaths that have happened in Iraq and throughout the rest of the world because of it. However war is a part of human history. Humans are to different from each other, there will never be true peace in the world until the end of it. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, sooner or later Iraq would have used it's WMD's (which are in the Middle East somewhere), maybe not on the US but he still would have used them. I admit the saying "going to war to prevent war" is kinda weird, but it is true. If a war was imminent wouldn't you want to be the attacker instead of the attackee?

Bollocks. There'll only be war in the world as long as there're saps like you in it.

[Carebian Knight]

I regret all deaths that have happened in Iraq and throughout the rest of the world because of it. However war is a part of human history. Humans are to different from each other, there will never be true peace in the world until the end of it. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, sooner or later Iraq would have used it's WMD's (which are in the Middle East somewhere), maybe not on the US but he still would have used them. I admit the saying "going to war to prevent war" is kinda weird, but it is true. If a war was imminent wouldn't you want to be the attacker instead of the attackee?

Bollocks. There'll only be war in the world as long as there're saps like you in it.

I do not support war, but I know that it is necessary. If there was a way to resolve the worlds problems without war, then I'm all behind it.

I know what you will say in reply to this post. Something about there are other ways. True there are, however not enough people are behind those other ways. As long as there are people in the world who don't like other people there will be violence and war. The only way for war to stop is the world ending.

[Stopper]

I regret all deaths that have happened in Iraq and throughout the rest of the world because of it. However war is a part of human history. Humans are to different from each other, there will never be true peace in the world until the end of it. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, sooner or later Iraq would have used it's WMD's (which are in the Middle East somewhere), maybe not on the US but he still would have used them. I admit the saying "going to war to prevent war" is kinda weird, but it is true. If a war was imminent wouldn't you want to be the attacker instead of the attackee?

Bollocks. There'll only be war in the world as long as there're saps like you in it.

I do not support war, but I know that it is necessary. If there was a way to resolve the worlds problems without war, then I'm all behind it.

I know what you will say in reply to this post. Something about there are other ways. True there are, however not enough people are behind those other ways. As long as there are people in the world who don't like other people there will be violence and war. The only way for war to stop is the world ending.

The bollocks do you know what I'll say in reply. My reply is, before you go spouting off bollocks pontificating about how war is a permanent condition of the human race, go back and correct the idiotic remarks you made in your first post about Iraq using its WMD's "which are in the Middle East" somewhere.

EITHER you have spent the last four years in a cave with a blindfold on and your fingers in your ears, and are therefore unaware that no WMD's have ever been found, or are likely to be found.

OR you are quite aware of this, but you cling desperately on to this fantasy to help try and justify to yourself a war which has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people to no benefit for the people of Iraq, the West, or the world, whatsoever. That's what I meant by "saps like you"; even long after the Bush administration has long discarded the cooked-up reasons it went to war, you still believe them more than they ever did. Without people like you, they'd never be able to go to war in the first place.

[umanouski]

Let me say, that the war is nessisary. THERE WERE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS FROM MANY!!! different places. From the CIA to the UK's intelligence agency (someone tell me what it is). So before you go spouting off yourself, look back 8 years!!!!

[Stopper]

Let me say, that the war is nessisary. THERE WERE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS FROM MANY!!! different places. From the CIA to the UK's intelligence agency (someone tell me what it is). So before you go spouting off yourself, look back 8 years!!!!

That's pathetic - you're insisting that the UK's intelligence agency said there were WMD's, and you don't even know what the hell it's called?

You know what, I'll be kind, and give you a link to a BBC news story on the Butler Report. The name of the intelligence agency is in there somewhere - but ignore the bits referring to the Butler Report, because that report would go some way to contradicting you.

[comic boy]

Let me say, that the war is nessisary. THERE WERE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS FROM MANY!!! different places. From the CIA to the UK's intelligence agency (someone tell me what it is). So before you go spouting off yourself, look back 8 years!!!!

Even the Bush administration has accepted that there were no WMDs so the inteligence was either wrong or was interpereted in a way that suited
the purpose at the time. It really is irrelevent now anyway because the deed was done so what is important is how we get out of the mess.

[mandalorian2298]

I regret all deaths that have happened in Iraq and throughout the rest of the world because of it. However war is a part of human history. Humans are to different from each other, there will never be true peace in the world until the end of it. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, sooner or later Iraq would have used it's WMD's(which are in the Middle East somewhere), maybe not on the US but he still would have used them. I admit the saying "going to war to prevent war" is kinda weird, but it is true. If a war was imminent wouldn't you want to be the attacker instead of the attackee?

You are violating Hume's law. Wiki it.

[Carebian Knight]

Let me say, that the war is nessisary. THERE WERE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS FROM MANY!!! different places. From the CIA to the UK's intelligence agency (someone tell me what it is). So before you go spouting off yourself, look back 8 years!!!!

That's pathetic - you're insisting that the UK's intelligence agency said there were WMD's, and you don't even know what the hell it's called?

Just because he doesn't know what it's called doesn't mean he's pathetic. Just because he's not up to date on another countries intelligence agencies.

Mandalorian: I wikied it but I'm embarassed to say that I don't understand it, please explain.

[jay_a2j]

yada, yada, yada....

or are likely to be found.

.... THIS IS AN OPINION....NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH FACTS... I am aware that there are many people, much like those in Europe just before Hitler invaded Poland that are of the belief: "Well, lets just wait to see what happens before we take action." Unfortunately ALL WE HAVE is our intelligence sources. If they say there is a threat..... I for one would rather be safe than sorry. There are way too many whinny babies around to win this or any war.

[Carebian Knight]

Finally, I totally agree

[joecoolfrog]

yada, yada, yada....

or are likely to be found.

.... THIS IS AN OPINION....NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH FACTS... I am aware that there are many people, much like those in Europe just before Hitler invaded Poland that are of the belief: "Well, lets just wait to see what happens before we take action." Unfortunately ALL WE HAVE is our intelligence sources. If they say there is a threat..... I for one would rather be safe than sorry. There are way too many whinny babies around to win this or any war.

Yes but it now appears that the inteligence reports were manipulated to suit Bush and Blairs agenda,there was never firm evidence and thats a FACT. Are you seriously suggesting that nations should go to war on the merest suspicion that there might be a threat to their security,you do realise that thousands of innocent people have died for no good reason.