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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 19, 2021 7:11 pm

After spending the last year calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory, the backpeddling is in full force ...

Washington Post wrote:Congress is finally investigating the lab accident covid-19 origin theory
MAY 6, 2021: More than one year after the outbreak of covid-19 in Wuhan, China, the virus’s origin remains a mystery, imperiling chances of preventing the next pandemic. Now, several members of Congress are responding to Chinese government obfuscation, World Health Organization incompetence and Biden administration neglect by moving to launch their own investigations. And these lawmakers insist on exploring the theory that the outbreak might be connected to an accident at a Wuhan lab.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html


WJLA-TV wrote:EXCLUSIVE: Classified study found COVID-19 could have originated in Chinese lab
MAY 7, 2021: A classified study of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 conducted a year ago by scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the Department of Energy’s premier biodefense research institution, concluded the novel coronavirus at the heart of the current pandemic may have originated in a laboratory in China, Sinclair has learned.

Researchers at Livermore’s “Z Division,” the lab’s intelligence unit, issued the report May 27, 2020, classified “Top Secret.” Its existence is previously undisclosed. The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation. Sinclair has not reviewed the report but confirmed its contents through interviews with multiple sources who read it or were briefed on its contents.

In an email to Sinclair, a Livermore spokesperson confirmed the existence of the report but declined to provide additional information. “Because the report you are referring to is classified,” wrote Lynda Seaver, director of public affairs, “it would be inappropriate for our lab to discuss this.”

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/excl ... hinese-lab


The New Yorker wrote:The COVID Lab-Leak Hypothesis Just Got a Big Credibility Boost

MAY 14, 2021: In an open letter published Thursday in Science, a group of 18 scientists called for a new investigation into the origin of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, arguing that “theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable,” and that those theories were “not given balanced consideration” by a previous joint investigation by the World Health Organization and China.

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed May 19, 2021 7:23 pm

saxitoxin wrote: The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation.


Changes nothing. If it turns out that the virus escaped from a lab, it does not in any way impugn the research that has been done to fight it since that time.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 19, 2021 7:36 pm

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saxitoxin wrote: The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation.


Changes nothing. If it turns out that the virus escaped from a lab, it does not in any way impugn the research that has been done to fight it since that time.


It impugns your statement that Luc Montagnier's medical opinions can be dismissed because he said it escaped from a lab. :roll:

To recap:

    1. Saxi: Nobel Laureate Dr Luc Montagnier said the vaccine is in error.
    2. Duk: But he also said the virus escaped from a lab. Because that is wrong, his opinion about vaccination is also wrong.
    3. All Media: So, guys, sorry butttttt ... it turns out the virus escaped from a lab ...
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed May 19, 2021 7:56 pm

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saxitoxin wrote: The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation.


Changes nothing. If it turns out that the virus escaped from a lab, it does not in any way impugn the research that has been done to fight it since that time.


It impugns your statement that Luc Montagnier's medical opinions can be dismissed because he said it escaped from a lab. :roll:

To recap:

    1. Saxi: Nobel Laureate Dr Luc Montagnier said the vaccine is in error.
    2. Duk: But he also said the virus escaped from a lab. Because that is wrong, his opinion about vaccination is also wrong.
    3. All Media: So, guys, sorry butttttt ... it turns out the virus escaped from a lab ...


No. Montagnier didn't merely claim that it escaped from a lab, he made a much more specific charge that it was artificially designed, and an even more specific charge that it was designed from the genetic material of the HIV virus.

Nothing about "escaped from a lab" makes it likely that it was artificially created. It is far more likely that the virus was naturally occurring, was taken to the lab for study, later escaped. Given the high level of similarities between Covid and SARS, it was most likely a naturally-occurring variant of SARS. The lab in question was, in fact, used for vaccine research, so it is perfectly plausible that this new variant of SARS was taken there to see if a vaccine for it could be developed. Nothing about that supports any cockamamie theories that it was artificially designed.

Furthermore, Montagnier's claim isn't just that it was artificially created, but that it was artificially created with genetic material taken from the HIV (AIDS) virus. That claim is demonstrably false. The genetic sequences for Covid and for HIV are widely available -- feel free to compare them and see if you can create one from the other.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 19, 2021 10:53 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote: The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation.


Changes nothing. If it turns out that the virus escaped from a lab, it does not in any way impugn the research that has been done to fight it since that time.


It impugns your statement that Luc Montagnier's medical opinions can be dismissed because he said it escaped from a lab. :roll:

To recap:

    1. Saxi: Nobel Laureate Dr Luc Montagnier said the vaccine is in error.
    2. Duk: But he also said the virus escaped from a lab. Because that is wrong, his opinion about vaccination is also wrong.
    3. All Media: So, guys, sorry butttttt ... it turns out the virus escaped from a lab ...


No. Montagnier didn't merely claim that it escaped from a lab, he made a much more specific charge that it was artificially designed, and an even more specific charge that it was designed from the genetic material of the HIV virus.


That is 100% false.

Montagnier was specifically attacked 13 months ago by Olivier Schwartz, head of the Pasteur Institute, who said -

    "Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease, was not created in the laboratory. We see this by studying the genetic heritage of the virus, which has been sequenced by Chinese teams and then verified in many other laboratories, including the Pasteur Institute, which was the first in Europe to do so," said Schwartz.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-0 ... 995413.htm

- he went on to also mention, but not address, the HIV hypothesis.

Schwartz, this month, was proved wrong. There is now an emerging consensus that the virus was created in the lab. In other words, the man who "debunked" Montagnier has, himself, just had his debunking debunked. Oh, and Schwartz - incidentally - is a former member of the advisory board of the Chinese Academy of Science, headed by Major-General Cao Xuetao*, and continues to receive a consulting scientist stipend from the People's Scientific Advisory Panel of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.

The HIV origin question is a separate matter and has not been investigated; Montagnier has only advanced a hypothesis so far. Science does not simply emerge from thin air as an established fact. It starts as hypothesis and, following years of investigation, is proved right or wrong. However, on matters related to the HIV virus do I trust a NY Times reporter with a BA degree in communications from Michigan State or the man who received the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV? Call me crazy, but I incline to the latter. I trust science.


TL;DR ... Montagnier's claim of a China lab origin was "debunked" by a Chinese useful idiot with financial and collaborative connections to the People's Liberation Army. That "debunking" has - itself - now been debunked. Montagnier - recipient of the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV - has never said his C19 HIV hypothesis is anything more than a hypothesis at this point and he is still conducting study in his lab. He does not yet have results ready to submit for peer review nor is he ready to advance his hypothesis to a theory.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby HitRed on Wed May 19, 2021 11:03 pm

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby riskllama on Wed May 19, 2021 11:12 pm

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu May 20, 2021 12:14 am

Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote: The Z Division report assessed that both the lab-origin theory and the zoonotic theory were plausible and warranted further investigation.


Changes nothing. If it turns out that the virus escaped from a lab, it does not in any way impugn the research that has been done to fight it since that time.


Further, whatever the origin of the virus, the VACCINE works and works extremely well. Get it, and stop throwing out poor excuses and illogical arguments.

Protect yourself and protect others, and stop being paranoid about a medical solution and a medical break through.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu May 20, 2021 12:24 am

NOTE that saxi does not or cannot dispute any of my arguments (quoted below). Instead, he puts forth a rather irrelevant set of arguments, based on his attack on one journalist (or reporter). Further, those attacks are on only ONE of my points that I cited. And JUS because his guy has a Nobel Prize does not mean he is infallible on other matters of biology and medicine.

Again, a false narrative that may mislead some. Here is a report on the credibility of saxi's "expert" testimony and misleading ideas:

What Montagnier called the “elements” of HIV were short cis-acting elements that scientists had discovered in the genome of coronaviruses in 2005. They are required for genome replication and are shared by many coronaviruses. So if what Montagnier said is true, the whole family of coronaviruses – which originated over 10,000 years ago – would have to be lab-made, and this is obviously nonsensical.

Many experts have already pointed out this obvious flaw in Montagnier’s argument. As Étienne Simon-Lorière, a professor at the Institut Pasteur in Paris, said, “If we take a word from a book and it looks like another word, can we say that one has copied from the other? This is absurd!”

It is surprising to have a scientist of Montagnier’s stature utter such questionable statements – although Montagnier himself is a controversial figure. Among other causes, he has supported anti-vaxxers, homeopathy and a silly claim that DNA emits “electromagnetic waves”.

As he lost credibility among his peers, scientific agencies around Europe began to reject his grant applications, and eventually he was left with no money to pursue his ideas. In a 2010 interview, Montagnier said he was leaving Europe to “escape the intellectual terror.”

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences ... doscience/

Try again, saxi. What is that now? 0 for 99 ?? or zero for 999? I have lost track of all your poor refutation attempts.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu May 20, 2021 12:41 am

saxi is an anti-vaxxer. offering excuses why he will not get the vaccine. The discussion here is for those who may be "ambivalent or hesitant about the vaccine". I doubt that saxi will listen to logic, science, or facts. He claims to listen to Science, but only the Science that he can find (and thus cherry-picks) that supports his false narrative.

Here is one more refutation of saxi's expert:
French Nobel prize winner: ‘Covid-19 made in lab’
A controversial French Nobel prize-winning scientist has accused biologists of having created SARS-CoV-2 - the virus that causes Covid-19 - in a lab, but the wider scientific community has so far refuted the claim.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Disputed-French-Nobel-winner-Luc-Montagnier-says-Covid-19-was-made-in-a-lab-laboratory

I think that Duk has already addressed the issue of this expert:
Yes, he was once a brilliant researcher who won the Nobel prize. And guess what? Brilliant researchers do go off their nut every now and then. In fact, high intelligence correlates strongly with paranoid delusions.


Here is the falsehood of saxi's "Science." He tries to find "Science" that supports his already formed hypotheses and is unwilling to really examine his facts and assumptions. He also ignores the preponderance of the evidence. The best he can do is find one OLD guy with some credibility in Medicine that supports his view on the origin of the virus. My French is not good enough to understand what the French scientist says about the COVID vaccine. I do not think his opinion is worth any more discussion. IMO, his credibility has been cogently and properly impugned.

For those undecided about the COVID Vaccine:

A story by Claudia Wallis for Scientific American’s March issue reports on strategies for addressing the hesitancy reportedly held by some in the U.S. to getting a COVID-19 vaccine. The strategies include: 1) focusing on enlightening people who are ambivalent or hesitant about the vaccine, not on committed “anti-vaxxers," who are a “tiny slice of the population,” Wallis writes: 2) addressing “the lack of trust or tech people with trusted messengers,” according to a Dartmouth College political scientist quoted in the piece; 3) removing “practical barriers” to getting the vaccine, which can be addressed with extended hours at vaccine sites and emphasizing that the vaccine is free, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation director of racial equity and health policy, the story states.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coronavirus-news-roundup-february-20-february-26/
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu May 20, 2021 2:31 am

jusplay4fun wrote:saxi is an anti-vaxxer


An anti-vaxxer who has received the Hep A/B, varicela, malaria, typhoid, and tdap vaccines? Is that like the vegetarian who has lunch at Arby's every day?

jusplay4fun wrote:NOTE that saxi does not or cannot dispute any of my arguments (quoted below).


Quoted by JP4F based on reporting in April 2020 --


Quoted by Saxi based on reporting in May 2021 --


Talk about a headline that didn't stand the test of time! =D> :lol: I wonder what JP4F's Punjabi medical expert botanist thinks? Let's check-in ...
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu May 20, 2021 3:17 am

FUN QUIZ: If trapped on a desert island and you could bring along one person to attend to your medical needs, who would you choose?

JP4F's nominee:Felix Bast, a botanist at the Central University of Punjab; once won 2nd place for spiciest curry in Chandigarh
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Saxi's nominee:Luc Montagnier, a physician and the recipient of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, Legion of Honor, and Prince of Asturias Award
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu May 20, 2021 5:44 am

The origin of the virus has no real impact on the need for vaccination. It really is not relevant to the vaccine discussion, contrary to what saxi wants you to believe.

saxi has shown to be an anti-vaxxer with regards to the COVID vaccine. All his arguments presented today with ALL those links and photos changes NOTHING and refutes almost as little. He wants you to THINK he did massive research, but all of that does not address the issues 1) of the safety of the vaccine and 2) that his Nobel Prize winner argues false ideas about many medical matters.

saxi is now zero for 1,003. Try again saxi, and this time try to refute the argument and do not offer spurious and irrelevant points.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri May 21, 2021 12:03 am

jusplay4fun wrote:The origin of the virus has no real impact on the need for vaccination.


Once again, changing the rules.

The origin of the virus has to do with the reputability of Montagnier according to you and Duk. If it had a lab origin then, under your rules, he's reputable, otherwise he's not. Science in 2021 shows it did. Hence, by your rationale, he's reputable. And this reputable physician - recipient of the Nobel Prize and Prince of Asturias Medal - has said mass vaccination is dangerous.

saxi has shown to be an anti-vaxxer with regards to the COVID vaccine


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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri May 21, 2021 2:52 am

saxitoxin wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:The origin of the virus has no real impact on the need for vaccination.


Once again, changing the rules.

The origin of the virus has to do with the reputability of Montagnier according to you and Duk. If it had a lab origin then, under your rules, he's reputable, otherwise he's not. Science in 2021 shows it did. Hence, by your rationale, he's reputable. And this reputable physician - recipient of the Nobel Prize and Prince of Asturias Medal - has said mass vaccination is dangerous.

saxi has shown to be an anti-vaxxer with regards to the COVID vaccine


guilty as charged


Again, another false narrative is spun by saxi. You are wrong on nearly all that you said. About the only thing valid is where you plead guilty as charged.

I did not change the rules; you keep moving the goalposts and hence try to manipulate and change the rules. Your expert is not reputable, even if he is right on ONE thing about COVID (which is not proven or accepted beyond reasonable doubt). I showed how he is wrong on many things, which you did not and apparently cannot refute. Even if his error is pointed out by a reporter (or journalist) who is not a biologist, your expert is WRONG. Thus he is not reputable. You did not meet my criteria for reputability. You need to get the virus to protect yourself and to help achieve herd immunity. The origin of the virus does not affect whether to get the virus or not.

If a medical doctor tells me that I have a fever, based on my visage, and I measure my temperature with 3 thermometers and show that I do not have a fever, the medical doctor is wrong. I do not need a medical degree to prove him wrong. Your expert is wrong about COVID and his LOGIC, statements, and reasoning are ALL WRONG. You ignore all the other issues that I addressed about why and how he is wrong. You must be attracted to him since he loves to spin a false narrative, something you seem wont to do.

saxi, you are wrong AGAIN. 1,111 to zero.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri May 21, 2021 11:07 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Even if his error is pointed out by a reporter (or journalist) who is not a biologist, your expert is WRONG.


Oh good grief.

Once again, literally everyone rejects the claim Nobel Prize recipient Dr. Luc Montagnier is wrong about the virus originating in a lab. Everyone except the Punjabi gardening YouTuber you found and a French doctor on Chinese military payroll Duc cited.


jusplay4fun wrote:Thus he is not reputable.


The one -- the only -- thing you have been able to use to undermine Nobel Laureate Dr. Luc Montagnier's claim that the vaccine is dangerous is a Punjabi gardening YouTuber's false assertion that Montagnier was debunked on the lab origin theory. And I've just proved he wasn't.

You don't believe science, that's fine. You and Duk can take medical advise from your Punjabi gardening YouTuber if you like. No judgments.

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Meanwhile, I'll observe medical advice from the recipient of the Nobel Prize for Medicine and Prince of Asturias Medal.

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Re: Who take vaccine?

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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri May 21, 2021 11:20 am

Great news, a woman who was paralyzed by the vaccine is finally able to walk again. Sadly, because Pfizer has 100% civil immunity she is legally prohibited from suing for pain and suffering and will have to bear all costs related to recovery from her wallet. She's on her own.

Each small, slow step is a part of the story of the Nashville woman’s journey that started nearly four weeks ago when doctors say Parker-McFadden had a reaction to Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine that left her unable to move her legs. The therapy team wasn’t sure if she’d walk again.

A woman of her word, Parker-McFadden walked out of Nashville’s Vanderbilt Stallworth Rehabilitation Hospital 13 days later, thanks to countless hours of intensive therapy. Her therapists admit, when Parker-McFadden arrived, they weren’t sure how to treat her.

https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/heal ... lks-again/


The article doesn't mention if she can still reproduce or if her womb is now a barren, dried-out husk. Of course, it may be years before other symptoms start to manifest.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri May 21, 2021 3:42 pm

I cited two sources, whereas saxi claimed that I did only ONE. ANOTHER saxi falsehood. You can read up to see the validity of my statement.

Here is more "good advice and medical knowledge" of saxi's expert:

Controversial claims
Professor Montagnier is well-known for his radical, and often controversial, views within the scientific community.

One molecular biologist at the national research centre Le Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS), Alexis Verger, last week tweeted a “reminder” that the professor is known for being anti-vaccinations, pro-homeopathy, and believes that “water has memory”.

He has also been known to attempt to “regenerate DNA sequences from pure water and digitized electromagnetic signals and send them by email”, said Dr Verger.
Professor Montagnier caused controversy in the scientific community when, one year after winning the Nobel prize, he claimed that “a good immune system” was enough to protect people against AIDS.

He has also come out in support of the idea that water has memory, a theory defended in 1988 by the late French immunologist Jacques Benveniste, which has since been discredited by the scientific community.

He was also the subject of a public outcry in 2017, when he came out against the French government’s decision to make certain vaccinations mandatory, accusing the policy of “poisoning the next generation little by little”.

In response, 106 academic scientists wrote an open letter “calling [the professor] to order”. The letter read: “We, academics of medicine, cannot accept that one of our peers is using his Nobel prize [status] to spread dangerous health messages outside of his field of knowledge.”



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Dispute behind Nobel Prize for HIV research
The announcement of the 2008 Nobel Prize in medicine brings another chapter, perhaps the concluding one, to one of the ugliest controversies in modern medical science.

Oct. 6, 2008, 1:23 PM EDT
By Robert Bazell

The announcement of the 2008 Nobel Prize in medicine to French researchers Francoise Barré-Sinoussi and Luc Montagnier brings another chapter, perhaps the concluding one, to one of the ugliest controversies in modern medical science, charges involving allegations of theft and deception.

Barre-Sinoussi and Montagnier were awarded for their discovery of human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV.

When the first cases of what is now known as AIDS appeared in 1981, no one knew the cause. Still, for a series of reasons, some scientists suspected a family of viruses known as retroviruses. As it turned out, the actual culprit, HIV, resides in that family.

One of the first to start the search for the viruses was Dr. Robert Gallo, then at the National Cancer Institute. Gallo had previously found two other viruses called HTLV-1 and HTLV-2 that caused rare blood cancers. Gallo was, and is, a fiercely competitive man. In the opinion of many, he is also bombastic, condescending and often cruel.

At the same time a group of young French scientists led by Dr. Barré-Sinoussi started looking for retroviruses as a cause. French research is far more hierarchical than American science, so Barré-Sinoussi could work only under the authority of the director of the Pasteur Institute, the government institution where she held an appointment.

Dr. Montagnier, the director, is an authoritarian, aloof figure. He knew little of retroviruses, and Barré-Sinoussi and her colleagues had to spend many afternoons explaining to him what a retrovirus was and why they believed one to be the cause of the new disease.


In early 1983, the young French scientists found a suspect virus they called LAV (lymphadenopathy-associated virus). Montagnier published those findings in May 1983 so that other researchers could test his results, the standard way science works.

In July, the Pasteur Institute sent a sample of LAV to Gallo. Another sample of LAV was sent in September. By December, Gallo's lab was successfully cultivating LAV.

Charges of stolen virus
But Gallo believed AIDS had to be caused by some kind of HTLV. At a meeting in a ski resort in Utah, Montagnier presented his findings. According to those present, Gallo abused him verbally with a memorable viciousness. Part of the problem was Montagnier’s limited command of both English and retroviruses. Clearly, Gallo sensed an impending battle and wanted to draw the first blood.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27049812

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Montagnier’s claims however was dismissed by another.French [sic] virologist Étienne SimonLorièr. AFP quoted Montagnier as sating that “these are very small elements that are found in other viruses of the same family”.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/professor-luc-montagnier-who-won-nobel-prize-for-codiscovering-aids-virus-says-coronavirus-was-man-made-in-wuhan-lab
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri May 21, 2021 6:20 pm

"Swarjaya Mag?"

Swarajya - a big tent for liberal right of centre discourse that reaches out, engages and caters to the new India.


Is this another fringe article by a Punjabi botanist who hawks facemasks on YouTube?

I'll take a pass.

Anyway, while we may disagree on a lot at least we can all agree that the vaccine will make your dick fall off at the one year mark.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat May 22, 2021 12:33 am

typical saxi: he attacks only one point by one source and IGNORES all the rest of my arguments and my sources. AND all he wants to do is

1) dispute one MINOR point about the origin of the COVID vaccine;
2) Claim his expert is an expert when he had to be schooled about retroviruses (meaning he really did NOT DESERVE his Nobel Prize);
3) wants to impugn one or two of my reports because a reporter make the charge. If his precious Dr. is wrong, he is wrong, no matter who reports his errors;
4) saxi ignores the 106 academic scientists who basically call this "expert" a fraud and liar.
5) saxi gets ZERO points for all his bluster and puffing that his guy is better than my guy. HIS Guy is a bumbling buffoon, the type of expert saxi knows well.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat May 22, 2021 1:14 am

The more I research saxi's expert, Luc Montagnier, the more wacky, crazy, absurd things I learn that he claims. saxi has gone down the rabbit hole with this guy and then wants to double down on his lunatic expert and defend him more. Luc Montagnier is a wack job whose ONLY claim to fame is that the real researcher needed her boss to agree to put his name on her paper. Based on my reports, he really did not understand the theory of retroviruses and therefore did not deserve his Nobel Prize. Note that saxi has not and cannot defend his expert and thus wants to attack my reports as based on those who do not have a degree in Biology. Even a person without a college degree and with common sense can realize how idiotic saxi's ONLY expert is.

Let us look further as saxi expert, THE ONLY one he wants to offer as "proof" that saxi is in some way on the correct and enlightened path, which he is NOT:

In January 2009, Luc Montagnier, the Nobel Laureate virologist who led the team that discovered the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), claimed (in a paper published in a journal that he set up, which seems to have avoided conventional peer review as it was accepted three days after submission) that the DNA of pathogenic bacteria and viruses massively diluted in water emit radio waves that he can detect.[37] The device used to detect these signals was developed by Jacques Benveniste, and was independently tested, with the co-operation of the Benveniste team, at the request of the United States Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. That investigation was unable to replicate any effects of digital signals using the device.[38]

In 2010, at the age of 78, Montagnier announced that he would take on the leadership of a new research institute at Jiaotong University in Shanghai, where he plans to continue this work. He claims that the findings "are very reproducible and we are waiting for confirmation by other labs", but said, in an interview with Science, "There is a kind of fear around this topic in Europe. I am told that some people have reproduced Benveniste's results, but they are afraid to publish it because of the intellectual terror from people who don't understand it." Montagnier had called Benveniste "a modern Galileo", but the problem was that "his results weren't 100% reproducible".[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory#:~:text=In%20January%202009%2C%20Luc%20Montagnier,submission)%20that%20the%20DNA%20of

from the same source, which shows another one of Dr. Montanier's loony and crazy ideas about medicine and biology:
Water memory is the purported ability of water to retain a memory of substances previously dissolved in it even after an arbitrary number of serial dilutions. It has been claimed to be a mechanism by which homeopathic remedies work, even when they are diluted to the point that no molecule of the original substance remains.

Water memory contradicts current scientific understanding of physical chemistry and is generally not accepted by the scientific community. In 1988, Jacques Benveniste published a study supporting a water memory effect amid controversy in Nature,[1] accompanied by an editorial by Nature's editor John Maddox[2] urging readers to "suspend judgement" until the results could be replicated. In the years after publication, multiple supervised experiments were made by Benveniste's team, the United States Department of Defense,[3] BBC's Horizon programme,[4] and other researchers, but no one has ever reproduced Benveniste's results under controlled conditions.


also, on this crazy theory of saxi's precious doctor:

UNESCO to host meeting on controversial 'memory of water' research
By Martin EnserinkSep. 23, 2014 , 2:45 PM

The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is potentially wading into hot water next month when it hosts a meeting set up by Nobelist Luc Montagnier to discuss his controversial research on what has become known as "the memory of water." The afternoon at the agency's Paris headquarters will feature talks about the virologist’s widely ridiculed idea that water can carry information via an electromagnetic imprint from DNA and other molecules.

Montagnier, 82, who shared the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine in 2008 for the discovery of HIV, stunned many fellow scientists about 5 years ago with claims that DNA emits weak electromagnetic waves that cause structural changes in water that persist even in extremely high dilutions. Montagnier considers himself an intellectual heir to the controversial French scientist Jacques Benveniste, who claimed in a 1988 Nature paper that water can retain "memories" of compounds even when diluted at a very high level—a claim that caused a sensation in the press and was taken as support of homeopathy by its proponents, but that other scientists weren't able to replicate.

Montagnier says he and his colleagues have a device that can detect such waves, which are strongest when they come from bacterial and viral genetic material. "In the future, we may use these findings not just for diagnostics but also for treatment," Montagnier told Science in 2010. "It's possible that electromagnetic waves at some frequency will kill the waves produced by bacterial DNA."

Montagnier documented the claims in a few papers in 2009. But many scientists have been extremely skeptical. Swiss immunologist Alain de Weck, who had long known and respected Montagnier, said he was "perplexed" in 2009. Lewis and other skeptics skewered his papers. Montagnier has also come under heavy fire for promoting long-term antibiotic treatments for children with autism; he claims his detection technique has shown that microbes play a role in that disorder.

At the meeting, Montagnier says he will present new, unpublished results showing that living cells can pick up patterns of electromagnetic waves—even when they're sent over the Internet to another lab—and synthesize the DNA encoded in them.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/09/unesco-host-meeting-controversial-memory-water-research

Another example of this guy's crazy and unverified scientific claims, from a second source:

DNA teleportation is a claim that DNA produces electromagnetic signals (EMS), measurable when highly diluted in water. This signal can allegedly be recorded, transmitted electronically, and re-emitted on another distant pure water sample, where DNA can replicate through polymerase chain reaction despite the absence of the original DNA in the new water sample.[1] The idea was introduced by the Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier in 2009.[2] It is similar in principle to water memory, a concept popularised by Jacques Benveniste in 1988.[3]

No independent research has supported the claim, and traditional science does not provide a plausible mechanism by which it might work.[4] In 2015, Montagnier's team published another finding similar to the original one, but using bacterial and viral DNA. Here they claim that the electromagnetic waves could be explained in terms of an unspecified quantum effect.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_teleportation

one more, jus for the fun of it:
It looks like one of the most astonishing discoveries in a century, yet it was almost entirely ignored. And it came from Luc Montagnier, awarded the Nobel prize in medicine for his co-discovery of the Aids virus HIV. In 2011, Montagnier reported that he and his coworkers could use the polymerase chain reaction (PCR, the conventional method of amplifying strands of DNA) to synthesise DNA sequences of more than 100 base pairs, without any of the target strands present to template the process.1 All they needed was water. Water, that is, first subjected to very low-frequency electromagnetic waves emitted and recorded from solutions of DNA encoding the target sequence. In other words, the information in a DNA strand could be transmitted, via water, by electromagnetic emissions.

You may think this work was ignored for good reason, namely that it’s utterly implausible. I agree: it doesn’t even begin to make sense given what we know about the molecular ingredients.

https://www.chemistryworld.com/opinion/dna-waves-dont-wash/6373.article
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat May 22, 2021 1:21 am

Bottom line: saxi, a wack job, wants to cite another wack job, to support his crazy and silly reasoning. And he wants to say that because the COVID virus escaped from a Chinese lab, that he should not take the vaccine for it. I will trust the Science and the vast majority of the medical community and NOT trust saxi and his ONE wack job scientist.
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Re: Who take vaccine?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon May 24, 2021 12:13 pm

Latest Horrific Side Effects --- Male Teenagers Keeling Over from Heart Attacks Four Days after Death Jab

Reports of heart problem after COVID vaccine: What is myocarditis?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are now investigating reports of heart problems from young vaccine recipients, predominantly male adolescents and young adults.

“The condition is called myocarditis, it's an inflammation of the heart muscle,” said Dr. Nina Radcliff to The National Desk’s Jan Jeffcoat.
What do we know so far about the potential side effect?

“Cases typically occur within four days after receiving the mRNA vaccines, and in the US, it's the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines,” said Dr. Radcliff.

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