US helps regional allies by allowing Turkey to kill them qui

[saxitoxin]

Kurds accept the protection and governance of Russia-backed Field Marshal Bashar al-Assad.

Syria’s Kurds said Syrian government forces agreed Sunday to help them fend off Turkey’s invasion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/1 ... ump-046343

I knew, eventually, Duk would come to support President Putin and Field Marshal Assad with me.



The realignment and consolidation is moving right on schedule. Tel Aviv won't know what's happened until it's too late.

[saxitoxin]

SANA is reporting the Duk/saxi/Putin-backed Syrian Arab Army has started advancing north to engage the Turk:

Syrian Arab Army units began moving north to confront Turkish aggression on Syrian territory, SANA’s reporter in Hasaka said on Sunday.

Upon the announcement of this news, the people of Hasaka began celebrating in the neighborhoods of the city, welcoming this move to confront the Turkish aggression.

https://www.sana.sy/en/?p=175768

[NomadPatriot]

[HitRed]

If feel sorry for the Kurds. Cohesive enough to continue to exist forever, but not confident enough to go for statehood. Always cutting deals and postponing their cause. Just declare independence already. Tough neighborhood but it might work out. The Colonies survived.

[NomadPatriot]

the interesting part about all of this is that the Chinese Belt & Road Initiative just so happens to go right through Kurdistan..

[riskllama]

[NomadPatriot]

so this dude wants to sit on his porch & drink Homemade Whiskey.. but needs to order a pizza...?
pretty sure a pizza is quicker & easier to make than Whiskey....
but hey.. that's your dude..
( side question..
is the roof of that bunker he's in made of metal front doors that would go on a house?...)

[mrswdk]

@saxi lol as if Australia is ever going to take a stance against its number one trade partner

Its #1 trade partner doesn't have 5,000 troops on its territory.

The entirety of the American military couldn't even beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers hiding in ditches. I doubt a mere 5,000 of them would give the Australians - who have 10+ modern assault rifles - much trouble at all.

[mrswdk]

Also, trollolol at yet another dismal failure by the US to overpower a supposedly backwards and weak foe in the Middle East.

2011 - Syrian civil war begins as US throws full political weight behind local rebels and begins sending money and equipment to support them
2011-2019 - country descends into chaos as the US-backed rebels get slowly crushed by the internationally-recognised Syrian government
2019 - Syrian government emerges victorious as last remaining US ally switches sides and joins the Syrians in resisting the US-facilitated Turkish invasion of northern Syria

Now that Turkey has received US logistical support for its invasion, it can only be a matter of weeks before the Curse of America leads to all Turkish forces being ground to a pulp.

This mess follows hot on the heels of the US overthrowing Colonel Qaddafi in Libya, only for the country to collapse and the US-backed government to be immediately overrun by the Libyan National Army*.




*the US meddling in Libya also resulted in the people of Libya losing the free education and healthcare they had previously enjoyed under the stable leadership of Colonel Qaddafi, but that is by the by.

[saxitoxin]

Also, trollolol at yet another dismal failure by the US to overpower a supposedly backwards and weak foe in the Middle East.

2011 - Syrian civil war begins as US throws full political weight behind local rebels and begins sending money and equipment to support them
2011-2019 - country descends into chaos as the US-backed rebels get slowly crushed by the internationally-recognised Syrian government
2019 - Syrian government emerges victorious as last remaining US ally switches sides and joins the Syrians in resisting the US-facilitated Turkish invasion of northern Syria

Now that Turkey has received US logistical support for its invasion, it can only be a matter of weeks before the Curse of America leads to all Turkish forces being ground to a pulp.

This mess follows hot on the heels of the US overthrowing Colonel Qaddafi in Libya, only for the country to collapse and the US-backed government to be immediately overrun by the Libyan National Army*.




*the US meddling in Libya also resulted in the people of Libya losing the free education and healthcare they had previously enjoyed under the stable leadership of Colonel Qaddafi, but that is by the by.

lolwut - your position is totally reeling, incoherent ... you need to argue with spurgistan or another Obama supporter as no one here is going to argue with any of the above*

No one here are supporters of the Ancien Régime; the last 100 years of U.S. foreign policy. This is like trying to get a rise out of Robespierre for some policy of the House of Bourbon. We all support Field Marshal Assad and the late Colonel Qaddafi. (Given the number of pro-Baathist and pro-Qaddafi threads I've started I would have thought this had stuck.) We are supporters of the National Reorganization and only that; 20 January 2016 was Day Zero of Year Zero. History doesn't exist.

* Actually I'm sort-of a supporter of Obama, too, since his amateurism and incompetence paved the way for our takeover.

[mrswdk]

I mean Trump's spent the last three years (nearly half the conflict) sending troops and material support to Syria and carrying out air strikes on Syrian targets (e.g. source). Not to mention the drone strikes it's still carrying out in Libya.

I wonder which American 'ally' will be the next victim of America's flip-flop foreign policy? Perhaps the Yemeni government?

[saxitoxin]

I mean Trump's spent the last three years (nearly half the conflict) sending troops and material support to Syria

Incorrect. Within the last three years Trump has ordered a 100% withdrawal of all American forces from Syria.

The United States appears to be heading toward a full military withdrawal from Syria

https://www.apnews.com/7706d07a501149d3b665c253ac8ff3c4

[mrswdk]

I mean Trump's spent the last three years (nearly half the conflict) sending troops and material support to Syria

Incorrect. Within the last three years Trump has ordered a 100% withdrawal of all American forces from Syria.

After he sent the additional 400 troops to Syria in 2017.

Also the US troops on the Turkish side of the Turkey-Syria border had nothing to do with perpetuating America's invasion of Syria (other than providing some security for ex-US allies the Kurds).

[NomadPatriot]

@saxi lol as if Australia is ever going to take a stance against its number one trade partner

Its #1 trade partner doesn't have 5,000 troops on its territory.

The entirety of the American military couldn't even beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers hiding in ditches. I doubt a mere 5,000 of them would give the Australians - who have 10+ modern assault rifles - much trouble at all.

the US can just Drone Strike any country into dust from 80,000 feet. why would we waste American Lives..

but thanks for letting us know how you view the mighty Vietnamese of the 1960's..
they were the only formidable force the US faced in the 20th century.. and they earned our respect...
the US landed numerous Marines on their shores & what did the Vietnamese do..?
they ran straight at us with bayonets..
respect..
many Vietnam Vets fell in love with the Vietnamese Women & created families with them...
co-mingling the 2 societies into a brighter future

[saxitoxin]

I mean Trump's spent the last three years (nearly half the conflict) sending troops and material support to Syria

Incorrect. Within the last three years Trump has ordered a 100% withdrawal of all American forces from Syria.

After he sent the additional 400 troops to Syria in 2017.

Within the next 30 days, Trump will have withdrawn more American forces from Syria (100%) than Obama (0%).

However, the President will permit American troops to remain in England, impregnating your women and running over your men.

[NomadPatriot]

I mean Trump's spent the last three years (nearly half the conflict) sending troops and material support to Syria

Incorrect. Within the last three years Trump has ordered a 100% withdrawal of all American forces from Syria.

After he sent the additional 400 troops to Syria in 2017.

Within the next 30 days, Trump will have withdrawn more American forces from Syria (100%) than Obama (0%).

However, the President will permit American troops to remain in England, impregnating your women and running over your men.

men..?
only men ride Harley's..
I am sure the 'guy' was riding his wife's Honda...

[GoranZ]

Trump: “Let Syria and Assad protect the Kurds and fight Turkey for their own land”
Assad: Start those engines its hunting time

Erdogan just gifted everything to Assad! What a suicide from negligence

‘Fully prepared to destroy economy’: Trump to sanction Turkish officials, raise steel tariffs & stop $100bn trade deal

[mrswdk]

America attempts to put pressure on Turkey, is likely to be ignored because America has no leverage and can't even muster even a credible threat against a middle power these days:

The sanctions might appear hefty, targeting senior ministers and hiking steel tariffs. But in reality, they're lighter than expected - and we've been here before.

In August 2018, Donald Trump lost patience with Turkey's imprisonment of an American pastor, sanctioning two ministers and imposing 50% tariffs on Turkish aluminium and steel. The Turkish lira plunged to a record low of 7.2 to the dollar.

Since then, the lira has somewhat recovered - and appears to have largely shaken off today's measures. The US represents just 5% of Turkey's steel export market.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50050264

[NomadPatriot]

America attempts to put pressure on Turkey, is likely to be ignored because America has no leverage and can't even muster even a credible threat against a middle power these days

excellent point.. and a very good reason for America to withdraw it's troops from the region..
thanks for supporting Trump's decision

[armati]

I just skimmed this thread.

Figured I'd add 2 cents.

The U.S. hasnt withdrawn from Turkey, they have only re positioned in the north.
Nothing says they will withdraw, actually they have said they will leave people in southern Syria.

The americans are still protecting isis at Al-Tanf which is in southern Syria.

When they sanction Turkey they move Turkey closer to China, Russia Iran etc the Russians have already set up the system to circumvent the american swift causing the americans to degrade the world reserve currency even further.

A big bonus for Turkey/Russia is not buying those f 35s, Turkey will buy the Russian Migs and Sukois. Both are infinitely superior to the f 35.

Syria has already begun to move troops to the east and they gain another allie in the sdf, a big bonus for Syria.

I hope american troops everywhere go home, imo the U.S. is the biggest terrorist on the planet.

[saxitoxin]

When they sanction Turkey they move Turkey closer to China, Russia Iran etc the Russians have already set up the system to circumvent the american swift causing the americans to degrade the world reserve currency even further.

Agreed. President Trump is not thinking over the course of the next six months like most presidents. He is engaged in long-term strategy. He is creating a situation that will be irreversible once he leaves office, enshrining his policy direction as binding on future presidents for the next 50 years. This is the same thing Truman did in the late 40s.

When Turkey becomes an unreliable partner and blows out of NATO, the specter of renewed conflict between Turkey and Greece - the entire situation admitting both to NATO was meant to avoid - increases. Europe does not want to intervene to defend Greece from a Russo-Turkish invasion and so NATO itself will then collapse. That is the end-game and the end-goal and the fulfillment of one of his 2016 campaign promises. President Trump doesn't have the political authority to unilaterally withdraw the U.S. from NATO. But Congress doesn't have the practical authority to stop nature. For President Trump, therefore, it's about making sure nature moves along the right course.

[mrswdk]

A stronger country with more power and ability to intervene in the Turkey-Syria conflict has stepped in to fill the space left behind by the weak and fleeing Americans:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/15/midd ... index.html

Where America failed, Russia succeeds!

[NomadPatriot]

A stronger country with more power and ability to intervene in the Turkey-Syria conflict has stepped in to fill the space left behind by the weak and fleeing Americans:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/15/midd ... index.html

Where America failed, Russia succeeds!

yes we are weak.. we should not be in the middle east.. I say withdraw all troops & let whatever happens over there happen... Russia is your new "wall"

[armati]

At least 49 militants of the Turkish-backed National Syrian Army (NSA) were killed by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in the border town of Ras al-Ayn on October 16, according to opposition activists.
https://southfront.org/49-turkish-backe ... as-al-ayn/

SDF CAPTURED TURKISH ARMY’S ARMOURED VEHICLE. 2 TURKISH SOLDIERS KILLED NEAR MANBIJ
https://southfront.org/sdf-captured-tur ... ar-manbij/

Looks like the Kurds are putting up a pretty good fight.