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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:53 pm

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You didn't qualify that your horror stories of "$200,000 of debt" and being turned away for treatment applied to 7% of the U.S. population - you implied that was the norm. I'm talking about norms - what most Canadians experience. You're talking about anomalies - what a tiny fraction of Americans experience.

Only 7% of Americans have a frame of reference with your stories about "$200,000 of debt" or being turned away because - pre 2011 - 93% of Americans had health insurance. However 99.9% of Canadians have experienced breadlines for third-world quality health care in filthy factory hospitals.

It's a choice of giving almost everyone a brand new Cadillac (U.S.) or everyone a used Pontiac with two flat tires and a cracked windshield (Canada). Remember that the next time one of your politicians crosses the border for treatment in one of our medical palaces because he doesn't want to risk his life in the Bulgarian-style paupers clinics 99.9% of Canadians are forced to use.


Paying for health insurance is just as bad.

Health insurance should be illegal. If you break your hip, you don't pay the market value for hip fixery. Instead the insurance company pays whatever the doctor charges, knowing the insurance companies have deep pockets and that insurance is basically a license to print money; they can just raise the premiums. This is why all kinds from private to public should be illegal. Same with car insurance. If you can't afford the "million dollar premium" yourself, stay off the road. Of course the million dollar premium isn't because that's the value of the damages, it's because that's the value the insurance is willing to pay. It's like mortgages too. They should also be illegal. They say my house is worth 300k. That isn't actually what it's worth, that's only what someone with a 25-year mortgage is willing to pay. If mortgages were illegal, the real value of my house would be 20-50k. Our entire economy is based on bullshit principles like this, illusory numbers that keep going up and up but the entire bedrock is a joke. People work at jobs making products and services that other people would actually be better off without. This is why total economic collapse is the only reasonable goal left. Barring that, victory at the regional water polo championships.

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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby mrswdk on Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:17 am

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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:08 pm

Dukasaur wrote:People who need surgery immediately for life-threatening or otherwise catastrophic conditions, get it immediately.


I don't doubt they do.

I'd just rather not live in a place where I have to be on the verge of death before I'm eligible for medical treatment.
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby notyou2 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:57 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:People who need surgery immediately for life-threatening or otherwise catastrophic conditions, get it immediately.


I don't doubt they do.

I'd just rather not live in a place where I have to be on the verge of death before I'm eligible for medical treatment.
Provided you have one of two things: money or insurance to cover the expenses. What if you have lost your job and insurance Saxi? What if you are on a meager pension and eating the dog food you were hoarding for your business plan that went horribly wrong? Then which system do you want?


Clearly they both have their merits and faults.
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:44 pm

notyou2 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:People who need surgery immediately for life-threatening or otherwise catastrophic conditions, get it immediately.


I don't doubt they do.

I'd just rather not live in a place where I have to be on the verge of death before I'm eligible for medical treatment.


Provided you have one of two things: money or insurance to cover the expenses.


Correct.

notyou2 wrote:What if you have lost your job and insurance Saxi?


I would purchase individual insurance, however, the price has increased an average of 38% per policy since Obamacare went into effect. So that might not be an option for everyone, due to Obamacare.

notyou2 wrote:What if you are on a meager pension


Then I would be eligible for Medicare, which provides universal health coverage for all persons over age 65.
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:48 pm

Children in Malawi have better dental health than in UK

Research shows that children in Malawi have better dental health than their counterparts in the United Kingdom.

The study, which was done by Dentaid, a charity organization working on dentistry, revealed that cases of children suffering from serious dental complications are higher in the U.K. compared to Malawi.

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https://face2faceafrica.com/article/chi ... -health-uk
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby mrswdk on Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:53 am

NHS running costs are something like 70% service delivery, 30% payouts to Richard Branson after he's sued them for not giving him NHS contracts:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/healt ... 80961.html
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:51 am

saxitoxin wrote:
Children in Malawi have better dental health than in UK

Research shows that children in Malawi have better dental health than their counterparts in the United Kingdom.

The study, which was done by Dentaid, a charity organization working on dentistry, revealed that cases of children suffering from serious dental complications are higher in the U.K. compared to Malawi.

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https://face2faceafrica.com/article/chi ... -health-uk


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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby waauw on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:11 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Children in Malawi have better dental health than in UK

Research shows that children in Malawi have better dental health than their counterparts in the United Kingdom.

The study, which was done by Dentaid, a charity organization working on dentistry, revealed that cases of children suffering from serious dental complications are higher in the U.K. compared to Malawi.

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https://face2faceafrica.com/article/chi ... -health-uk


These poor children are lacking a vital supplement.......sugar


In other news, there are fewer obese people in Africa as well!!!
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby mrswdk on Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:19 am

What do you call an Ethiopian with a pickle on his head? Quarter pounder.
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:12 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
notyou2 wrote:What if you have lost your job and insurance Saxi?


I would purchase individual insurance, however, the price has increased an average of 38% per policy since Obamacare went into effect. So that might not be an option for everyone, due to Obamacare.



For the 8 years before Obamacare health care costs increased by 60.6%, 8 years since Obamacare they slowed to 38% rise over ...

So your admitting that Obamacare was good for keeping costs down, as it slowed the rate of rise for helath care costs in America, and yet you hate the system? Personally I don't think it's a great system because costs are still rising much faster than they would under a single payer system... but you seem to argue you'd like them to go back to an average increase of 8% a year instead of 4-5%.
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Re: Net Neutraility and You

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:37 am

Patients are dying in hospital corridors as safety is compromised by "intolerable" conditions, doctors say.

  • Patients are having to sleep in make-shift wards set up in side-rooms
  • Trolley waits of up to 12 hours are being routinely seen as staff struggle to find free beds
  • Thousands of patients are left stuck in the back of ambulances waiting for A&E staff to take them in
  • Over 120 patients a day are being managed in corridors in some places, some dying prematurely


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116
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