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mrswdk wrote:Why is it that a country has to have the same form of government before it’s acceptable for Americans to call them a partner or ally?
Other than preachy American politicians and their shills in Europe, most governments and peoples are perfectly capable of working cooperatively with other nations that have very different systems and values to their own.
”We are an open and tolerant society that will repeatedly condemn and coerce you unless you conform to our values. Woo, freedom!”
patches70 wrote:Woodruff wrote:patches70 wrote:People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons.
This is correct. However, when the President of the United States, in the highest position of our Federal Government, suggests that those players should be fired, I think it's reasonable to be concerned about his advocating for such an action, given his position.
So? He can say what the f*ck ever he wants, the owners don't have to listen to him. They are under no legal or moral obligation to oblige Trump. People just gotta "be concerned" about dumb shit all the time.
I'll tell ya when it's time to be concerned. When Trump writes and executive order, or Congress passes a law which states that anyone who doesn't stand for the National Anthem will be fined and/or jailed and the SCOTUS upholds said law/executive order, then yeah, it'll be time to be "concerned".
Until then one can simply ignore the ravings of the Trump's and the chicken little's running around blabbering "OMG my Free Speech is under assault!"
No, it isn't. So far it's all been free speech, from the NFL players, to the fans who boo them, to the calls for the offending players being benched or fired, to the morons who call the NFL players "heroic". It's all free speech. Every bit of it.
It's also moronic. And if you are "concerned", Woodruff, then you sir must also be afraid of the monsters in your closet and the monsters under your bed. If that's all it takes to "concern" you, then you must be a sniveling mass of nerves by now that jumps at his own shadow.
The best thing, the wisest thing, the NFL and the players could have done, what they should have done, was completely ignore Trump. The smartest, wisest thing the antiTrumper's could have/should have done, was to completely ignore Trump. That above anything else would bug Trump the most. It would also be the smartest thing to do because it's a no win situation for the antiTrumpers. To show disapproval for Trump you'd have to appear to show disapproval to the Country and the Flag and all the connotes. This has been pure Trump gold.
Good job morons. You've helped Trump. Give yourselves a big pat on the back for being useful idiots.
Next time, don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff instead.
notyou2 wrote:patches70 wrote:Woodruff wrote:patches70 wrote:People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons.
This is correct. However, when the President of the United States, in the highest position of our Federal Government, suggests that those players should be fired, I think it's reasonable to be concerned about his advocating for such an action, given his position.
So? He can say what the f*ck ever he wants, the owners don't have to listen to him. They are under no legal or moral obligation to oblige Trump. People just gotta "be concerned" about dumb shit all the time.
I'll tell ya when it's time to be concerned. When Trump writes and executive order, or Congress passes a law which states that anyone who doesn't stand for the National Anthem will be fined and/or jailed and the SCOTUS upholds said law/executive order, then yeah, it'll be time to be "concerned".
Until then one can simply ignore the ravings of the Trump's and the chicken little's running around blabbering "OMG my Free Speech is under assault!"
No, it isn't. So far it's all been free speech, from the NFL players, to the fans who boo them, to the calls for the offending players being benched or fired, to the morons who call the NFL players "heroic". It's all free speech. Every bit of it.
It's also moronic. And if you are "concerned", Woodruff, then you sir must also be afraid of the monsters in your closet and the monsters under your bed. If that's all it takes to "concern" you, then you must be a sniveling mass of nerves by now that jumps at his own shadow.
The best thing, the wisest thing, the NFL and the players could have done, what they should have done, was completely ignore Trump. The smartest, wisest thing the antiTrumper's could have/should have done, was to completely ignore Trump. That above anything else would bug Trump the most. It would also be the smartest thing to do because it's a no win situation for the antiTrumpers. To show disapproval for Trump you'd have to appear to show disapproval to the Country and the Flag and all the connotes. This has been pure Trump gold.
Good job morons. You've helped Trump. Give yourselves a big pat on the back for being useful idiots.
Next time, don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff instead.
Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.
notyou2 wrote:
Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.
mrswdk wrote:Are you comparing a handegg player kneeling down during the national anthem to someone petrol bombing someone else's business?
patches70 wrote:A bunch of pro-lifers are protesting an abortion clinic when one of them decides to chuck a firebomb into the clinic, destroying it. It's all good according to NY2 because they are "protesting".
Har!
The NFL players are morons. The optics of the protests show them to be morons.
The people who say "good for you" to the NFL players are morons. These people are playing straight into Trump's little game, like morons.
If the NFL players start destroying the field in "protest", they move from protester to vandal.
The people who criticize the NFL players are using their own free speech rights. If those same people start beating the shit out of NFL players, they move from exercising their rights into criminal assault.
The Boston Tea party, though important in the formation of the US, moved from a protest, where they were able to get people to voluntarily give back the taxed tea, moved into another realm beyond "protesting" when they disguised themselves as Indians, boarded a ship illegally and destroyed the tea aboard, along with the ship I think. That is not protesting, that is destruction of property, arson, vandalism and a whole host of other crimes.
The Boston Tea party played perfectly into the Sons of Liberty's goal. The British reacted harshly and it lead to armed conflict, the rest being history.
This moves from the realm of "protest" into something completely different, not comparable to the moronic NFL players. One player, who is now unemployed and will never play in the NFL again, was the only one who might have had some sort of actual protest, though it was fairly haphazard and most of the NFL just ignored him.
It wasn't until Trump says that NFL players kneeling are unpatriotic, America hating flag disrespectors. The NFL players react with "Oh yeah! If we wanna disrespect the anthem, the flag, the fans then by God it's our right!" and went ahead and did just that, like complete morons.
The players think in their own minds they are protesting Trump. But to everyone else except Trump haters, it's a lot worse than that. Trump says that kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to America, the flag, vets, etc etc and the NFL players respond by kneeling and proving his point. When ever you have to preface you actions with "Well, I'm not a <insert label here, "racist", "America hater" etc etc> BUT...." then you know you have crawled right out onto the thin ice like a moron.
If you cannot see how this is a no win situation for the NFL players, then I'm afraid there is little hope for you to ever get a clue. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it a great idea to go ahead and do it without considering certain realities. Emotions cloud the mind often, it makes people do moronic things sometimes.
patches70 wrote:notyou2 wrote:
Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.
You think a mob destroying property is a "protest"? Seriously? And somehow in your mind you draw parallels between that and the NFL players?
You aren't the brightest bulb on the tree, are you?
notyou2 wrote:Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.
tzor wrote:notyou2 wrote:Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.Oh my, an opportunity for an open ended rant against Samuel Adams?
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Perhaps sometime later. This is one of the most misunderstood events in all of American history.
In any event, the act of destroying crates of tea, disguised as natives of the Mohawk tribe was not only illegal, but a violation of everything that this nation was founded on (life, liberty, (property), and the pursuit of happiness). It was promoted by Sam Adams Sons of Liberty as well as smugglers of Dutch tea. It was not a protest; it was a terrorist act.
Dukasaur wrote:tzor wrote:notyou2 wrote:Do you believe the Boston Tea Party participants were also morons? They were also protesting.Oh my, an opportunity for an open ended rant against Samuel Adams?
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Perhaps sometime later. This is one of the most misunderstood events in all of American history.
In any event, the act of destroying crates of tea, disguised as natives of the Mohawk tribe was not only illegal, but a violation of everything that this nation was founded on (life, liberty, (property), and the pursuit of happiness). It was promoted by Sam Adams Sons of Liberty as well as smugglers of Dutch tea. It was not a protest; it was a terrorist act.
I don't disagree, but that's not the way your schools teach it.
Dukasaur wrote:I don't disagree, but that's not the way your schools teach it.
notyou2 wrote:America was founded on protest, yet many of you appear to want the English back.
Symmetry wrote:notyou2 wrote:America was founded on protest, yet many of you appear to want the English back.
I have literally never heard any American say that. It sounds as if you're resorting to that last resort of a scoundrel.
notyou2 wrote:Symmetry wrote:notyou2 wrote:America was founded on protest, yet many of you appear to want the English back.
I have literally never heard any American say that. It sounds as if you're resorting to that last resort of a scoundrel.
I find the hypocrisy astounding.
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