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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:56 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
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Metsfanmax wrote:saxi: if you're continuing this discussion just to debate semantics,


lolwut ... semantics has been your bag this entire time

We noted Obamacare is mandatory; the rational, scientific consensus position. You insisted the discussion grind to a halt until an exhausting, tortured series of linguistic adjustments, corollaries and absurd what-if scenarios presenting the idea that "mandatory" doesn't actually mean "mandatory," be discussed.

But even that dodge didn't work out so ...

Metsfanmax wrote:I'm no longer interested in it.


I merely noted that Night Strike is not being forced to purchase health insurance. I obviously was not disagreeing with the statement that there is a legal mandate


You can keep repeating the absurdity that "mandate" means "voluntary" as much as you like, but it doesn't make it true.

There are no examples of sanctions that exist at a level not designed to force compliance by the greatest number of people. Sanctions require the highest expenditure of state energy to impose, relative to other policy inducements like hortatory or capacity-building tools. If a sanction exists, it has been created with the idea that it is an effective tool at forcing compliance. This isn't semantics, this is scientific fact.

Night Strike is being forced to purchase products marketed by corporations that have entered into an agreement to personally enrich Barack, Michelle, Malia, and Sasha Obama and Marian Robinson (via retention in office afforded by campaign donations) in exchange for Barack Obama's use of police power (fine/sanction) to force people to purchase the products of said corporations.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:08 am

Saxi, do you feel that your style of debate is fair to Mets? I am he isn't using valid points, why should you?
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:16 am

Ezra Klein Calls for Someone to be Fired for Failure of Obamacare- ā€œIf Apple launched a major new product that functioned as badly as ObamaCare’s online insurance marketplace, the tech world would be calling for [CEO] Tim Cook’s head.ā€

    Who should be fired for Obamacare's failure?
    A: Obamacare spokesman - Obama
    B: Obamacare enforcer - Kathleen Sebelius
    C: Obamacare designer - Stephen Hemsley
    D: Obamacare victim - Adam Weldzius
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:22 am

Ezra Klein for saying it's a failure, what? he think he can free speak? This is Amerika!
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:12 pm

saxi, I just declared myself the supreme ruler of the sovereign state of Metsfanland, which coincidentally covers the same geographic area as the contiguous United States. Article I of my constitution states that you are legally required to give Esmerelda me as a personal slave, and if you do not you owe me 500,000,000 saxbux.

I expect to see Es soon.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:13 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Ezra Klein Calls for Someone to be Fired for Failure of Obamacare- ā€œIf Apple launched a major new product that functioned as badly as ObamaCare’s online insurance marketplace, the tech world would be calling for [CEO] Tim Cook’s head.ā€

    Who should be fired for Obamacare's failure?
    A: Obamacare spokesman - Obama
    B: Obamacare enforcer - Kathleen Sebelius
    C: Obamacare designer - Stephen Hemsley
    D: Obamacare victim - Adam Weldzius


Let's vote A through D outta office! That'll teach em! And if they don't have an office, we'll give them one, make them feel comfortable, and then vote them out! Ha, Democracy!
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:04 pm

Another of Obamacare's victims who will lose access to health care under Obama -

Patty's current health insurance costs her $484 a month for a $3,500 deductible PPO plan. "Now my private insurance will triple, and I can't afford it," Patty said. "I don't want to pay one-quarter of my income for insurance." The new product for 2014 that has been offered to Patty will cost her about $1,300 a month for a $6,000 deductible plan.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ ... -1/NEWSMAP


Barack Obama's chief financial underwriter, UnitedHealthCare, Inc. just staged the unheard-of mass firing of 3,000 doctors ... people who didn't have health care before still won't get health care (too few doctors to see anyone who hasn't been hit by a bus) but they will get a nice, new laminated insurance card (if you sharpen one corner you can use it to perform an emergency tracheotomy).

UnitedHealthCare no longer has to compete for customers by providing high-quality service; their customers are guaranteed by law and those who do not purchase UnitedHealthCare products will be penalized. So now they can cut their service to the absolute bone to maximize their revenue without worrying about losing customers.

In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors. Termination letters went to physicians caring for Medicare patients.

http://www.wtnh.com/news/health/thousan ... healthcare


All to line the pockets of these greedy, greedy multi-millionaires -
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- when you get boob cancer and have to get your tits chopped off because it metastasized since you couldn't get in to get treatment early enough, remember, Barack Obama traded your breasts for $20 million in his pocket.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby _sabotage_ on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:20 pm

Boob cancer: please take turkey tail mushroom extract 5 times daily, is one of the proven cures.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:35 pm

My understanding is that the fine is not material to most people who would not purchase health insurance and thus is not really compulsory to those who would not otherwise purchase health insurance. I'm not sure how many of those people exist (Donald Trump?), but I guess they do exist (Bill Gates?).

For what it's worth, I don't support compulsory car insurance either.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:53 pm

Right on time...the moment it's too late to do anything about it, Obama supporters start exposing and denouncing Obamacare.

Noonan: Now Is the Time to Delay ObamaCare
It's not what Americans were promised—or even what Congress enacted.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html?dsk=y

The Obama administration has an implementation problem. More than any administration of the modern era they know how to talk but have trouble doing. They give speeches about ObamaCare but when it's unveiled what the public sees is a Potemkin village designed by the noted architect Rube Goldberg. They speak ringingly about the case for action in Syria but can't build support in the U.S. foreign-policy community, in Congress, among the public. Recovery summer is always next summer. They have trouble implementing. Which, of course, is the most boring but crucial part of governing. It's not enough to talk, you must perform.

There is an odd sense with members of this administration that they think words are actions. Maybe that's why they tweet so much. Maybe they imagine Bashar Assad seeing their tweets and musing: "Ah, Samantha is upset—then I shall change my entire policy, in respect for her emotions!"

That gets us to the real story of last week, this week and the future, the one beyond the shutdown, the one that normal people are both fully aware of and fully understand, and that is the utter and catastrophic debut of ObamaCare. Even for those who expected problems, and that would be everyone who follows government, it has been a shock.

They had 3½ years to set it up! They knew exactly when it would be unveiled, on Oct. 1, 2013. On that date, they knew, millions could be expected to go online to see if they benefit.

What they got was the administration's version of Project ORCA, the Romney campaign's computerized voter-turnout system that crashed with such flair on Election Day.

Here is why the rollout is so damaging to ObamaCare: because everyone in America knows we spent four years arguing about the law, that it sucked all the oxygen from the room, that it commanded all focus, that it blocked out other opportunities and initiatives, and that it caused so many searing arguments—mandatory contraceptive and abortifacient coverage for religious organizations that oppose those things, fears about the sharing of private medical information, fears of rising costs and lost coverage. Throughout the struggle the American people must have thought: "OK, at the end it's gotta be worth it, it's got to give me at least some benefits to justify all this drama." And at the end they tried to log in, register and see their options, and found one big, frustrating, chaotic mess. As if for four years we all just wasted our time.
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A quick summary of what didn't work. Those who went on federal and state exchanges reported malfunctions during login, constant error messages, inability to create new accounts, frozen screens, confusing instructions, endless wait times, help lines that put people on hold and then cut them off, lost passwords and user names.

After the administration floated the fiction that the problems were due to heavy usage, the Journal tracked down insurance and technology experts who said the real problems were inadequate coding and flaws in the architecture of the system.

There were no enrollments in Delaware in three days. North Carolina got one enrollee. In Kansas ObamaCare was unable to report a single enrollment. A senior Louisiana state official told me zero people enrolled the first day, eight the second. The founder of McAfee slammed the system's lack of security on Fox Business Network, calling it a hacker's happiest nocturnal fantasy. He predicted millions of identity thefts. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius—grilled, surprisingly, on "The Daily Show"—sounded like a blithering idiot as she failed to justify why, in the middle of the chaos, individuals cannot be granted a one-year delay, just as businesses have been.

More ominously, many of those who got into the system complained of sticker shock—high premiums, high deductibles.

Where does this leave us? Congressional Republicans and the White House may soon begin a series of conversations centering on the debt-ceiling fight. Good: May they turn into negotiations. Republicans are now talking about a grand bargain involving entitlement spending, perhaps tax issues. But they would make a mistake in dropping ObamaCare as an issue. A few weeks ago they mistakenly demanded defunding—a move to please their base. They will be tempted to abandon even the word ObamaCare now, but this is exactly when they should keep, as the center of their message and their intent, not defunding ObamaCare but delaying it. Do they really want to turn abrupt focus to elusive Medicare cuts just when it has become obvious to the American people that parts of ObamaCare (like the ability to enroll!) are unworkable?

The Republicans should press harder than ever to delay ObamaCare—to kick it back, allow the administration at least to create functioning websites, and improve what can be improved.

In the past the president has vowed he'd never delay. But that was before the system so famously flopped when people tried to enroll. A delay would be an opportunity for the president to show he knows what's happening on the ground, a chance for him to be responsive. It would allow him to say the program itself is good but the technological infrastructure, frankly, has not yet succeeded. This would allow him to look like one thing no one thinks he is, which is modest.

A closing thought on the oft-repeated liberal argument that ObamaCare must stay untouched and go forward as written. They say it was passed by Congress, adjudicated by the courts and implicitly endorsed in the 2012 election; its opponents are dead-enders who refuse to accept settled outcomes.

There was always something wrong at the heart of this argument, and it's connected, believe it or not, to a story involving Johnny Carson. His show was a great American institution. When Carson retired in 1992, David Letterman was assumed to be his heir. Instead, NBC chose Jay Leno. In time Mr. Leno faltered, and NBC came back to Mr. Letterman, who now was receiving more lucrative offers from the other networks. Everybody wanted him. But it was his long-held dream to host "The Tonight Show," and he anguished. Then, as Bill Carter reported in "The Late Shift," his advisers came to him. "The Tonight Show" starring Johnny Carson doesn't exist anymore, they said. It's gone. It's Jay Leno's show now. If you want to take a lesser deal to be his successor, go ahead. But the old "Tonight Show" is gone.

This helped clarify Mr. Letterman's mind. He went with CBS.

OK, the Affordable Care Act doesn't exist anymore. It was passed and adjudicated, but since then it has changed, and something new has taken its place. Hundreds of waivers and exceptions have been granted. The president decided he had the power to delay the participation of businesses, while insisting on the continued participation of individuals. The program debuted and the debut was a disaster and Americans who want to be part of it haven't been able to join.

The ACA doesn't exist anymore. It isn't the poor piece of legislation it was, it's a new and different poor piece of legislation.

All of this is highly unusual. A continuation of unusual would therefore not be out of order. Delay the program. It's a mess and an oppression. Improve it.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:22 pm

Consensus best estimates are between 2 months to 3 years to get Obamacare repaired enough to the point that America's new healthcare system can hobble along just enough to keep the lights on in the ER ... just enough to keep working ... America's new healthcare system is modeled after the Bombay sewer system.

They aren’t blaming ā€œglitchesā€ and ā€œtrafficā€ anymore. In fact, they haven’t said much at all in the past few days, while a string of leaked emails, memos and reports describe deeper hardware and software malfunctions. Today, again, featured a ā€œNo commentā€ from the administration.

The website itself talks about a crush of media questions — but doesn’t post any answers. People trying to sign on get a variety of error messages — including one that says fixes are expected ā€œwithin 24 hours.ā€ But advocates, lobbyists and industry officials are talking about it as a months-long repair effort.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/o ... 98412.html


But my favorite part is that Nancy Pelosi's "we won't know what's in the bill until we pass it" is now being parroted by Obama's bosses at Aetna, Inc. ...

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini said earlier in the week on CNBC that the system was developed so late that standard rounds of functionality testing are ā€œhappening on the fly.ā€ And he warned of potential breakdowns in other parts of the system once the early problems are unraveled.

ā€œThere’s so much wrong, you just don’t know what’s broken until you get a lot more of it fixed,ā€ he said. Bertolini predicted it could take three years to repair, but others in the health care industry are talking about a far shorter time frame, although they don’t want to be quoted by name even talking about ā€œmonthsā€ while HHS is being mum.


We won't know what's broken until it's fixed.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:25 pm

I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically. Anytime you have a major overhaul of federal legislation, there's going to be some consequences that are just impossible to predict until the law is actually rolled out, simply because of the sheer complexity and scope of the national healthcare system.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:31 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically.


Of course you don't. Four years from now midwives will be doing appendectomies with spoons on the sidewalk at noon and you'll be assuring us it's just a glitch that will soon be worked out.

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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:33 pm

Yup. The same thing with Minnesota. We have been told all along that we were way out in front, our governor and legislature is and has been 100% on board, they got all the money they wanted, and last week the buzz was how Minnesota leads in efficiency on the obamacare website concerning access to apply and account creation, the numbers were 96% success with the other 4% 'not finishing for some reason' and the headline were 'full steam ahead' with zero glitches....until today. Supposedly, the insurance companies that are going to participate were supposed to be connected to the network hub so their services can be offered, and it turns out the insurance companies didn't know anything about this and nobody told them about this part of their responsiblilties. Everyone has been eager over the last 2 weeks because there was supposed to be an announcement last Friday about how many people enrolled in Obamacare in Minnesota.....yeah....we still await that report...

Even a CNN host just said "Obamacare is flawed and is different from what the president said it was"

(CNN) -- For nearly two weeks, I was a failure -- a complete and utter failure.

Ever since October 1, when Healthcare.gov went live, I've tried to go on the site and enroll. I don't need health insurance -- I get it from my employer -- but I wanted to see how easy (or difficult) it is for the millions of Americans who do need insurance and want to shop on the new exchanges set up by Obamacare.

For about a week, I couldn't even create a login and password, the necessary first step for shopping. Then finally I could, but when I tried to log in, I received error messages; sometimes I even saw the dreaded twirly thing that just went 'round and 'round. When I tried to make a new account, that didn't work either.

I called the Healthcare.gov 1-800-number for help, and the representatives said the site was very busy. They suggested I try at off-peak hours, such as early in the morning or late at night. Following their advice, I made attempts at 7 a.m. and 10:30 p.m. Still no luck.

Apparently those hours weren't off-peak enough, so on Saturday night I kissed my husband and daughters good night and set my alarm for 3 a.m. for a date with Healthcare.gov.

But in the wee hours of Sunday morning, I was to meet with only more disappointment.

"The system is down at the moment," read the message on the screen. "We're currently making system improvements. Please try again later."

I tried to go back to sleep but couldn't. I've covered health care reform for 25 years, first as a print reporter in Washington and then for CNN. I interviewed Sen. Claude Pepper about catastrophic coverage in the late 1980s, reported on Hillary Clinton's health care plan in the 1990s and have followed every twist and turn of the health care reform debate since 2009.

Over the years I've watched countless people suffer because they couldn't get insurance. In my Empowered Patient column I've tried to help the uninsured muddle through by explaining how to negotiate hospital fees or get help paying for prescription drugs, for example. But I knew my words were Band-Aids -- flimsy, torn Band-Aids without much sticky stuff, at best.

These people needed insurance, plain and simple. It's been a roller-coaster ride for them as health care reform passed in 2010 and was then challenged in the Supreme Court. In the weeks before that decision, Matt McManus, a dad in California, cried in an interview with me, worried out of his mind about what would happen if the court overturned Obamacare and his young daughter, who has a rare and devastating illness, lost her insurance.

McManus cried tears of joy the day the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act. Millions like him were relieved that health insurance would finally be a sure thing, not something they had to yearn for or worry over.

October 1 was supposed to be the big day -- the day they could finally buy a policy without worrying about denials for pre-existing conditions or sky-high premiums that only millionaires could afford. But when the big day rolled around, after years of waiting, for many their hopes were dashed as they couldn't enroll on the site. Their frustration practically jumps off the pages of the government's Healthcare.gov Facebook page, where they've lodged their complaints.

The Obama administration ascribes the trouble to "glitches" due to high traffic on the site. The president compared it to a glitch with Apple's recently launched iOS 7.

But Apple's glitch was fixed quickly and, even more importantly, was never a big deal in the first place -- the operating system was functional even with the glitch. Healthcare.gov's glitches, on the other hand, are so overwhelming that Ezra Klein of The Washington Post's Wonkblog has deemed it a "failure," at least so far.

"Not 'troubled.' Not 'glitchy.' A failure," Klein wrote.

'Cumbersome' system still has 'glitches'

There is, however, a light at the end of the tunnel. The government continues to work on the site, and Monday morning, I finally tasted some victory. Three times, I tried to log in and failed. Twice I tried to create new accounts but couldn't. The third time, however, I was successful.

I managed to log in and proceed with an application. I shouldn't have had to create a new account, of course, and the site is still spotty -- I couldn't log back in Monday afternoon, and then I could log in Tuesday -- but at least it's a start. We've been hearing from others, too, that the site seems to be getting better.

This snafu is not completely without precedent either. In 2005, the launch of the Medicare Part D's website was considerably delayed and riddled with glitches. They fixed the problems though, and the program is now generally considered a success.

What we don't know is how long it will take to fix the major problems with Healthcare.gov. People who want insurance by January 1 need to sign up by December 15. Will the site be fully functioning by then?

I'll be going back to Healthcare.gov every day to see how it's doing. I hope to get no more error messages, no advice to try again later, and goodness knows, no twirly things.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:41 pm

Phatscotty wrote:we remain with zero enrollees over 2 weeks now


Based on my calculations, that means that if Obamacare has a 1,000% increase in efficiency tonight, then by this time six months from now you'll have ... zero enrollees.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:50 pm

f*ck, I gotta log off ... I forgot to set the timer and left the penne I was cooking on the stove too long. It's probably completely Obamacared now.

Before I go, check out this hilarious video of this FBI agent totally Obamacaring this fence climb -



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Re: ObamaCare

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:08 pm

since ya'll are so versed in the new health care law, and i'm tired of sorting through all the garbage that the media is throwing out, and since i'm too lazy to actually try and read the law or what ya'll have already posted, ( please don't rate my sentence structure ) could one of you be so kind as to play out my scenario for me?

so i work in construction, i have insurance with my company currently.
i plan on quitting my job in feb. 2014 which will end my insurance
then i plan on taking off and living off of savings for a year or so.
then i want to travel around job hopping across the country for a few years. ( for the experience and adventure mainly )
then i want to settle down in my home state of Mississippi ( no jokes please, Mississippi is a fine state if you're not lazy )
and i want to try my hand at earning enough money to live off of by assorted business ventures. ( none that should make me rich )

so what i'm curious about is, how will the new law affect me in these different stages. am i going to have to pay for it even if i have no income during my sabbatical? or will it be provided to me at no cost?

what about when i go through the country job hopping with an unkown income?

and when i settle down and do little small ventures that will provide income but will probably be shown as a loss because i'll have my equipment paid for through savings, but not through "company profits".

does anyone have an idea on what penalties, costs i may have to deal with? and will i be covered or not during these various changes.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:18 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:since ya'll are so versed in the new health care law, and i'm tired of sorting through all the garbage that the media is throwing out, and since i'm too lazy to actually try and read the law or what ya'll have already posted, ( please don't rate my sentence structure ) could one of you be so kind as to play out my scenario for me?

so i work in construction, i have insurance with my company currently.
i plan on quitting my job in feb. 2014 which will end my insurance
then i plan on taking off and living off of savings for a year or so.
then i want to travel around job hopping across the country for a few years. ( for the experience and adventure mainly )
then i want to settle down in my home state of Mississippi ( no jokes please, Mississippi is a fine state if you're not lazy )
and i want to try my hand at earning enough money to live off of by assorted business ventures. ( none that should make me rich )

so what i'm curious about is, how will the new law affect me in these different stages. am i going to have to pay for it even if i have no income during my sabbatical? or will it be provided to me at no cost?

what about when i go through the country job hopping with an unkown income?

and when i settle down and do little small ventures that will provide income but will probably be shown as a loss because i'll have my equipment paid for through savings, but not through "company profits".

does anyone have an idea on what penalties, costs i may have to deal with? and will i be covered or not during these various changes.


for one....when you are job hopping you can count on a lot of employers offering only 29 hours a week
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:for one....when you are job hopping you can count on a lot of employers offering only 29 hours a week


maybe by that time mcdonalds will be paying 20 bucks an hour like everyone hopes.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:51 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:since ya'll are so versed in the new health care law, and i'm tired of sorting through all the garbage that the media is throwing out, and since i'm too lazy to actually try and read the law or what ya'll have already posted, ( please don't rate my sentence structure ) could one of you be so kind as to play out my scenario for me?

so i work in construction, i have insurance with my company currently.
i plan on quitting my job in feb. 2014 which will end my insurance
then i plan on taking off and living off of savings for a year or so.
then i want to travel around job hopping across the country for a few years. ( for the experience and adventure mainly )
then i want to settle down in my home state of Mississippi ( no jokes please, Mississippi is a fine state if you're not lazy )
and i want to try my hand at earning enough money to live off of by assorted business ventures. ( none that should make me rich )

so what i'm curious about is, how will the new law affect me in these different stages. am i going to have to pay for it even if i have no income during my sabbatical? or will it be provided to me at no cost?

what about when i go through the country job hopping with an unkown income?

and when i settle down and do little small ventures that will provide income but will probably be shown as a loss because i'll have my equipment paid for through savings, but not through "company profits".

does anyone have an idea on what penalties, costs i may have to deal with? and will i be covered or not during these various changes.


You are eligible for a subsidy based, not on your adjusted gross income, but your estimated next year earning.

IOW, beginning in February you will have to estimate your income across the next year. To get the basic Obamacare plan for a non-smoker citizen of Mississippi, you will have to pay Barack Obama based on what you estimate you will earn in 2014. If you estimate:

    $46,500+ - you owe Obama $3,067/year (or 7% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan (more if you want coverage beyond band-aids and aspirin)
    $30,000 - you owe Obama $2,512/year (or 8% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan
    $20,000 - you owe Obama $1,021/year (or 3% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan
    $10,000 - you owe Obama $3,067/year (or 31% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan*

    * anyone whose income is below 100% of the poverty level is required to purchase Obamacare at full price with no subsidy; if this is the case you may be better off paying the $95 penalty since 1/3 of your income would probably leave you destitute or unable to feed yourself - if you do that, you will need to find a private charity in case you get sick; one possibility is that some abortion clinics will offer limited (non-surgical) medical services if you volunteer a certain # of hours per week hosing out the fetus bins so that could be an option

If your predicative abilities are lacking and you under-estimate your future income; say you estimate you'll be earning $24,000 but actually earn $30,000, then you'll need to immediately come up with payment for the subsidy you received plus interest and send it to the IRS or collections, up to and including criminal action, will be initiated against you.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:58 am

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WILLIAMS5232 wrote:since ya'll are so versed in the new health care law, and i'm tired of sorting through all the garbage that the media is throwing out, and since i'm too lazy to actually try and read the law or what ya'll have already posted, ( please don't rate my sentence structure ) could one of you be so kind as to play out my scenario for me?

so i work in construction, i have insurance with my company currently.
i plan on quitting my job in feb. 2014 which will end my insurance
then i plan on taking off and living off of savings for a year or so.
then i want to travel around job hopping across the country for a few years. ( for the experience and adventure mainly )
then i want to settle down in my home state of Mississippi ( no jokes please, Mississippi is a fine state if you're not lazy )
and i want to try my hand at earning enough money to live off of by assorted business ventures. ( none that should make me rich )

so what i'm curious about is, how will the new law affect me in these different stages. am i going to have to pay for it even if i have no income during my sabbatical? or will it be provided to me at no cost?

what about when i go through the country job hopping with an unkown income?

and when i settle down and do little small ventures that will provide income but will probably be shown as a loss because i'll have my equipment paid for through savings, but not through "company profits".

does anyone have an idea on what penalties, costs i may have to deal with? and will i be covered or not during these various changes.


You are eligible for a subsidy based, not on your adjusted gross income, but your estimated next year earning.

IOW, beginning in February you will have to estimate your income across the next year. To get the basic Obamacare plan for a non-smoker citizen of Mississippi, you will have to pay Barack Obama based on what you estimate you will earn in 2014. If you estimate:

    $46,500+ - you owe Obama $3,067/year (or 7% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan (more if you want coverage beyond band-aids and aspirin)
    $30,000 - you owe Obama $2,512/year (or 8% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan
    $20,000 - you owe Obama $1,021/year (or 3% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan
    $10,000 - you owe Obama $3,067/year (or 31% of your income) for the band-aid & aspirin plan*

    * anyone whose income is below 100% of the poverty level is required to purchase Obamacare at full price with no subsidy; if this is the case you may be better off paying the $95 penalty since 1/3 of your income would probably leave you destitute or unable to feed yourself - if you do that, you will need to find a private charity in case you get sick; one possibility is that some abortion clinics will offer limited (non-surgical) medical services if you volunteer a certain # of hours per week hosing out the fetus bins so that could be an option

If your predicative abilities are lacking and you under-estimate your future income; say you estimate you'll be earning $24,000 but actually earn $30,000, then you'll need to immediately come up with payment for the subsidy you received plus interest and send it to the IRS or collections, up to and including criminal action, will be initiated against you.


if all of this is true, i suddenly feel unmotivated to contribute much to society anymore. what about bums? do they just get to sit down on the river bank unaffected by all this?
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby _sabotage_ on Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:32 am

Or if you have a family of 4 and you make under 93k, you have been discouraged from making a few dollars more, as the amount needed to cover your higher tier costs requires you to make 16k more just to cover them. Bye-bye upward mobility.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:16 am

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-1 ... -date.html


A good article which summarizes a very long article about the sequence of failures of the Obama administration, of federal government procurement laws, and of the relevant bureaucracies.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:26 am

Metsfanmax wrote:I don't think that's a valid criticism of the law specifically. Anytime you have a major overhaul of federal legislation, there's going to be some consequences that are just impossible to predict until the law is actually rolled out, simply because of the sheer complexity and scope of the national healthcare system.


Precisely why the federal government shouldn't be running such programs. The more in depth programs are to be run on the local levels were people are directly involved in their happenings.
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