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Re: Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

Postby Snorri1234 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:31 pm

2dimes wrote:How did the formerly best country on the planet (Anyone that disagrees is in total denial. It's becoming a shell of it's former self yet it's still a fairly great place.) turn out to be governed by the current administration?


He was a republican and he was a "patriot".


He also cheated the elections a bit and managed to charm a lot of people. His opponents really weren't that hard to deal with either. They had none of the charisma Obama has for example.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:35 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
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Snorri1234 wrote:I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coƶrdinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.



Yet, we are to believe 19 kids with boxcutters pulled it off??????? :roll:


They had a cause, they were willing to fucking die for it.

And you are missing the point here. It's much easier for a bunch of "kids" (sure they were adults but whatever..) to capture a bunch of planes than for a government to peform an operation that looks like it was pulled off by terrorists while leaving as evidence a bunch of obscure pictures and testimonies of people who thought they saw something suspicious (which usually don't explain much).

If they were so formidably good at this, they surely have the power to delete youtube-videos and silence a few people? Come on man, they coƶrdinated a massive attack with noone actually spilling the beans or so, and they can't do that?



The evidence left behind? Surely you don't mean the WTC wreckage.... that was , for some ODD reason, shipped overseas almost immediately after 911. We didn't even have time to SEARCH it for "evidence". WHY????? WHY???? WHY???? GOOD GOD OPEN YOUR EYES!

Or were you referring to all the video surveillance tapes of the Pentagon attack? Which were confiscated by the FBI within 20 minutes of that "attack"!!! WHY????? WHY???? WHY???? GOOD GOD OPEN YOUR EYES!
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:42 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
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Snorri1234 wrote:I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coƶrdinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.



Yet, we are to believe 19 kids with boxcutters pulled it off??????? :roll:


They had a cause, they were willing to fucking die for it.

And you are missing the point here. It's much easier for a bunch of "kids" (sure they were adults but whatever..) to capture a bunch of planes than for a government to peform an operation that looks like it was pulled off by terrorists while leaving as evidence a bunch of obscure pictures and testimonies of people who thought they saw something suspicious (which usually don't explain much).

If they were so formidably good at this, they surely have the power to delete youtube-videos and silence a few people?
Come on man, they coƶrdinated a massive attack with noone actually spilling the beans or so, and they can't do that?



The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites. But instead of getting rid of them, they discredit them. They only alow crazy people to speak on TV, and only in one vs three debates. Also, the CIA has admitted(and lost the law suite) to going onto these web sites and blogging about crazy stuff. Their agents act like a truther but then get caught faking evidence, on purpose, to get truthers to look silly. And lets never forget 'WE EAT CHICKENS'. They are a notorious group working for the CIA. Last year they attended the ground zero memorial dressed in Hitler mostaches. They claimed that Hitler was still alive and responsible for 911. Their leader was the guy on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago who claimed that the planes that hit the towers were actually holograms from space. They discredit us.......

And Gary Hart has talked about launching internet two, to get rid of these web-sites.
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Re: Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

Postby Snorri1234 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:43 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:I really can't understand why people think the government could pull of such an enormous stunt, perfectly coƶrdinated, while knowing this is the same government that has proven to be made up off complete and utter idiots.



Yet, we are to believe 19 kids with boxcutters pulled it off??????? :roll:


They had a cause, they were willing to fucking die for it.

And you are missing the point here. It's much easier for a bunch of "kids" (sure they were adults but whatever..) to capture a bunch of planes than for a government to peform an operation that looks like it was pulled off by terrorists while leaving as evidence a bunch of obscure pictures and testimonies of people who thought they saw something suspicious (which usually don't explain much).

If they were so formidably good at this, they surely have the power to delete youtube-videos and silence a few people? Come on man, they coƶrdinated a massive attack with noone actually spilling the beans or so, and they can't do that?



The evidence left behind? Surely you don't mean the WTC wreckage.... that was , for some ODD reason, shipped overseas almost immediately after 911. We didn't even have time to SEARCH it for "evidence". WHY????? WHY???? WHY???? GOOD GOD OPEN YOUR EYES!

Or were you referring to all the video surveillance tapes of the Pentagon attack? Which were confiscated by the FBI within 20 minutes of that "attack"!!! WHY????? WHY???? WHY???? GOOD GOD OPEN YOUR EYES!


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Postby suggs on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:44 pm

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Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:47 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:Multiple question marks don't mean you're right, dude.



No, they mean I am annoyed at the ignorance. :shock:
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:51 pm

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Snorri1234 wrote:Multiple question marks don't mean you're right, dude.
No, they mean I am annoyed at the ignorance.

For 'ignorance' read 'unwillingness to just take my word for it without seeing some genuine evidence'.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:52 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:While I agree with what you're saying, I don't agree about what you're saying it about.
Perhaps you could be a little more clear. What is it that you think I'm saying "why trust faceless randoms automatically, when you spend your life saying not to trust people who might have agendas?" about?

Just about 911.

Juan_Bottom wrote:At this point, I think 911 has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have been perpetrated by my government.
Nah.

That's a bit too bold I'm afraid. Arguments to be had, sure. But go read (then necro) one of the old threads about it if you really want to talk about it (because your theory is pretty far from 'beyond shadow of lalala').

I don't think that it is. The only people who don't seem to really get it, don't want to.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Many, many "trustworthy" people have come foreward. Even Condelezza Rice was forced to admit that she knew that the attacks were coming, and only warned important officials. And she wears a suit.
Meh.

That fact doesn't unequivocally support the "inside job" theory though does it? There's several inferences that you could draw from it, some of which do, and some of which don't, support your theory... but claiming that those words are an admission of conspiracy is just a bit overeager.


Also, that passage of text doesn't answer the question which Jay is so frantically dodging, which is why he's so willing to close his eyes and trust faceless hearsay (then pass it off as 'research'), when he spends his waking hours railing about not trusting anything which might be a lie.


I was just mocking your suite analysis. But I do feel that once you put it all together, it all supports our theory. Some people just lie, and you can see it.

You are right about Jay, But! I can't speek for him. I am only defending his valid points, so we won't look foolish. I don't agree with everything he says.
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Re: Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

Postby heavycola on Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:16 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.

Link please? SURELY this 'fact' must be easy to substantiate...

But instead of getting rid of them, they discredit them. They only alow crazy people to speak on TV, and only in one vs three debates. Also, the CIA has admitted(and lost the law suite) to going onto these web sites and blogging about crazy stuff. Their agents act like a truther but then get caught faking evidence, on purpose, to get truthers to look silly.


Link please? Some sort of evidence?

And lets never forget 'WE EAT CHICKENS'. They are a notorious group working for the CIA. Last year they attended the ground zero memorial dressed in Hitler mostaches. They claimed that Hitler was still alive and responsible for 911. Their leader was the guy on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago who claimed that the planes that hit the towers were actually holograms from space. They discredit us.......


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Postby InkL0sed on Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:19 pm

heavycola wrote:Conspiracy theorists: holding multiple mutually inconsistent beliefs since 9-11-2001.


I thought they were telling the truth??!!
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:53 pm

heavycola wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.

Link please? SURELY this 'fact' must be easy to substantiate...

But instead of getting rid of them, they discredit them. They only alow crazy people to speak on TV, and only in one vs three debates. Also, the CIA has admitted(and lost the law suite) to going onto these web sites and blogging about crazy stuff. Their agents act like a truther but then get caught faking evidence, on purpose, to get truthers to look silly.


Link please? Some sort of evidence?

And lets never forget 'WE EAT CHICKENS'. They are a notorious group working for the CIA. Last year they attended the ground zero memorial dressed in Hitler mostaches. They claimed that Hitler was still alive and responsible for 911. Their leader was the guy on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago who claimed that the planes that hit the towers were actually holograms from space. They discredit us.......


Conspiracy theorists: holding multiple mutually inconsistent beliefs since 9-11-2001. You people discredit yourselves every time you let the rest of us peek inside the frothing cauldrons of madness that pass for your minds.


I am mostly assuming that if you think that 911 wasn't an inside job, you HAVE done the research. And how many times must I say, ignore the theories, and look at the facts. I'm not guessing at how they did it, just saying that they did it. And 'WE EAT CHICKENS' works for the CIA. I think you missed that.

The law-suite was about the CIA using tax dollars to fund propaganda against the tax-payer. About 911.

All of this that I was talking about can be found in the infowars archive. It is old news. And if you check Alex Jones's backlog of radio shows, you can find an argument with one of the 'WE EAT CHICKENS' members.

I just had a crazy thought,...... Since the majority of Americans thinks that the government WAS criminally responsible for 911, why don't you guys try and convince us?
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:04 pm

And I don't get this. Seriously, you guys admit that the U.S. government used 911 as an excuse to invade Iraq, and MAYBE Afghanistan too. You know that our government has staged FAKE attacks before(Gulf of Tonkin, Remember the Maine!) as an excuse to go to war. And each time they used their influence of media outlets(yellow journalism) to help get the public on board. Condelleza Rice has ADMITTED that she knew the attacks were comming, and did nothing.

And Gary Hart sent a letter to the president of Iran saying that we will do another fake terrorist attack as an excuse to bomb Iran.

So why is the idea of 911 being an inside job so ludicrous? Seriously?
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:10 pm

Since when has it EVER been the majority? If anything, people who think that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks are in the minority. Maybe the ones who frequent sites that often say 9/11 was a conspiracy are in the majority (actually, that's pretty much a given), but that's it.

As for the post that came up, not allowing me to post the above, mainly because there are far too many flaws in that, and that many people that believe in it are grasping at straws at the best of times and claiming it as proof of such things. It is ludicrous simply because it has already been dis-proven by actual experts, not to mention in numerous (and I mean numerous) threads here.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:15 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:Since when has it EVER been the majority? If anything, people who think that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks are in the minority. Maybe the ones who frequent sites that often say 9/11 was a conspiracy are in the majority (actually, that's pretty much a given), but that's it.

As for the post that came up, not allowing me to post the above, mainly because there are far too many flaws in that, and that many people that believe in it are grasping at straws at the best of times and claiming it as proof of such things. It is ludicrous simply because it has already been dis-proven by actual experts, not to mention in numerous (and I mean numerous) threads here.


But to say that is to ignore our ACTUAL experts. Oh yeah, and witnesses.

And again, to ignore our history of doing this same exact thing everytime we go to war for profit.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:18 pm

53% Of Americans think that the government is hiding something about 911. 28% Think that they are mostly lying.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 ... on_911.htm
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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:12 am

Hey he's talking to DM, Heavycola and friends!!!!

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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:40 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:53% Of Americans think that the government is hiding something about 911. 28% Think that they are mostly lying.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 ... on_911.htm

Like I said.
Maybe the ones who frequent sites that often say 9/11 was a conspiracy are in the majority (actually, that's pretty much a given), but that's it.

And I'm sure that the "poll" was completely random and in no way biased.
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Seriously, if that many people believed it, then why don't I see half the town protesting outside? Why haven't I seen it on newspapers, like the Denver Post? Obviously they would be doing something similar to what truthers do in New York (which tends to, and understandably, pisses off a good many people), which would easily have made the papers, not necessarily the front page, but such things would have been in there regardless. All in all, The New York Times "poll" would obviously be a poor way to express an entire nation's sentiments regarding the issue. The site alone just doesn't cut it as a decent, or even credible source for information.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:03 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:53% Of Americans think that the government is hiding something about 911. 28% Think that they are mostly lying.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11 ... on_911.htm

Like I said.
Maybe the ones who frequent sites that often say 9/11 was a conspiracy are in the majority (actually, that's pretty much a given), but that's it.

And I'm sure that the "poll" was completely random and in no way biased.
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Seriously, if that many people believed it, then why don't I see half the town protesting outside? Why haven't I seen it on newspapers, like the Denver Post? Obviously they would be doing something similar to what truthers do in New York (which tends to, and understandably, pisses off a good many people), which would easily have made the papers, not necessarily the front page, but such things would have been in there regardless. All in all, The New York Times "poll" would obviously be a poor way to express an entire nation's sentiments regarding the issue. The site alone just doesn't cut it as a decent, or even credible source for information.



New York Times/CBS poll. The most watched TV station in America. A year ago this same poll put 23% as believeing that the goverment was hiding something.

And people are protesting, in very large numbers. Not to mention all the lawsuites. The media ignores them so that people like you don't know what I'm talking about.

And what is a credible site to you? One that agrees with you? This site didn't even create the poll. CBS is a conservitive media outlet.

And you are right. The protestors are either welcomed or shunned. But I think that it is true of most protestors with a message. But for the better part, it seems the larger truth groups are getting more and more positive reception in New York. Especially since this was the first year that the LOOSE CHANGE and WEARECHANGE groups marched with the NY Firemen for Truth. Things are changing.

And I would point out that using protesters to prove your point is ignorant. Because A) you don't know what you are talking about, and B) There are a butt-load of important issues that you NEVER hear about organized protests of.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:45 am

And people are protesting, in very large numbers. Not to mention all the lawsuites. The media ignores them so that people like you don't know what I'm talking about.

WHERE are they protesting? WHO is protesting? Show me these "hordes of people" that you claim are protesting. Because if it is just a bunch of internet fat boys that are all whine no action, that is not protesting.

And what is a credible site to you? One that agrees with you? This site didn't even create the poll. CBS is a conservitive media outlet.
I only saw New York Times in there, not CBS. And I could care less if they are Conservative or not. I view a credible resource as something gone over and scrutinized by numerous and credible experts, not a bunch of people who only have the very basics of such things covered, and sometimes, not even that much.

And you are right. The protestors are either welcomed or shunned. But I think that it is true of most protestors with a message. But for the better part, it seems the larger truth groups are getting more and more positive reception in New York. Especially since this was the first year that the LOOSE CHANGE and WEARECHANGE groups marched with the NY Firemen for Truth. Things are changing.
First of all, what? I don't recall typing (nor did I) about protesters being shunned or welcomed. Next of all, I think you misunderstood what I wrote; truthers in New York often piss off a lot of people, for any sort of reasons. And PLEASE don't mention Loose Change, all it was, was a poorly done "documentary" of the attacks on 9/11 done by a college student that should have been paying more attention to his studies then making a crappy video that only can be matched by "Napoleon Dynamite."

And I would point out that using protesters to prove your point is ignorant. Because A) you don't know what you are talking about, and B) There are a butt-load of important issues that you NEVER hear about organized protests of.
A) Care to tell me why I am ignorant? According to what you wrote, I should have seen a bit more then half the town marching down Grand, blocking traffic, and waving truther signs. B) What "butt-load of important issues that I NEVER hear about?" Seriously, if I am "ignorant" simply tell me instead of trying to emphasize something that you won't even explain. C) One more thing, PLEASE don't use any Youtube videos as a resource (just for future reference) because I'm pretty sure many people wished they had those 2 hours or 2 minutes of their lives back.
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Postby heavycola on Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:55 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
heavycola wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.

Link please? SURELY this 'fact' must be easy to substantiate...

But instead of getting rid of them, they discredit them. They only alow crazy people to speak on TV, and only in one vs three debates. Also, the CIA has admitted(and lost the law suite) to going onto these web sites and blogging about crazy stuff. Their agents act like a truther but then get caught faking evidence, on purpose, to get truthers to look silly.


Link please? Some sort of evidence?

And lets never forget 'WE EAT CHICKENS'. They are a notorious group working for the CIA. Last year they attended the ground zero memorial dressed in Hitler mostaches. They claimed that Hitler was still alive and responsible for 911. Their leader was the guy on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago who claimed that the planes that hit the towers were actually holograms from space. They discredit us.......


Conspiracy theorists: holding multiple mutually inconsistent beliefs since 9-11-2001. You people discredit yourselves every time you let the rest of us peek inside the frothing cauldrons of madness that pass for your minds.


I am mostly assuming that if you think that 911 wasn't an inside job, you HAVE done the research. And how many times must I say, ignore the theories, and look at the facts. I'm not guessing at how they did it, just saying that they did it. And 'WE EAT CHICKENS' works for the CIA. I think you missed that.

The law-suite was about the CIA using tax dollars to fund propaganda against the tax-payer. About 911.

All of this that I was talking about can be found in the infowars archive. It is old news. And if you check Alex Jones's backlog of radio shows, you can find an argument with one of the 'WE EAT CHICKENS' members.

I just had a crazy thought,...... Since the majority of Americans thinks that the government WAS criminally responsible for 911, why don't you guys try and convince us?



So.... no link to this DOH list? No evidence whatsoever? And where is the CIA admission?

Thought so.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:29 am

heavycola wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
heavycola wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.

Link please? SURELY this 'fact' must be easy to substantiate...

But instead of getting rid of them, they discredit them. They only alow crazy people to speak on TV, and only in one vs three debates. Also, the CIA has admitted(and lost the law suite) to going onto these web sites and blogging about crazy stuff. Their agents act like a truther but then get caught faking evidence, on purpose, to get truthers to look silly.


Link please? Some sort of evidence?

And lets never forget 'WE EAT CHICKENS'. They are a notorious group working for the CIA. Last year they attended the ground zero memorial dressed in Hitler mostaches. They claimed that Hitler was still alive and responsible for 911. Their leader was the guy on Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago who claimed that the planes that hit the towers were actually holograms from space. They discredit us.......


Conspiracy theorists: holding multiple mutually inconsistent beliefs since 9-11-2001. You people discredit yourselves every time you let the rest of us peek inside the frothing cauldrons of madness that pass for your minds.


I am mostly assuming that if you think that 911 wasn't an inside job, you HAVE done the research. And how many times must I say, ignore the theories, and look at the facts. I'm not guessing at how they did it, just saying that they did it. And 'WE EAT CHICKENS' works for the CIA. I think you missed that.

The law-suite was about the CIA using tax dollars to fund propaganda against the tax-payer. About 911.

All of this that I was talking about can be found in the infowars archive. It is old news. And if you check Alex Jones's backlog of radio shows, you can find an argument with one of the 'WE EAT CHICKENS' members.

I just had a crazy thought,...... Since the majority of Americans thinks that the government WAS criminally responsible for 911, why don't you guys try and convince us?



So.... no link to this DOH list? No evidence whatsoever? And where is the CIA admission?

Thought so.


I SAID go to Infowars. It is old news. So you'll have to check their archive.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:57 am

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And people are protesting, in very large numbers. Not to mention all the lawsuites. The media ignores them so that people like you don't know what I'm talking about.

WHERE are they protesting? WHO is protesting? Show me these "hordes of people" that you claim are protesting. Because if it is just a bunch of internet fat boys that are all whine no action, that is not protesting.

And what is a credible site to you? One that agrees with you? This site didn't even create the poll. CBS is a conservitive media outlet.
I only saw New York Times in there, not CBS. And I could care less if they are Conservative or not. I view a credible resource as something gone over and scrutinized by numerous and credible experts, not a bunch of people who only have the very basics of such things covered, and sometimes, not even that much.

And you are right. The protestors are either welcomed or shunned. But I think that it is true of most protestors with a message. But for the better part, it seems the larger truth groups are getting more and more positive reception in New York. Especially since this was the first year that the LOOSE CHANGE and WEARECHANGE groups marched with the NY Firemen for Truth. Things are changing.
First of all, what? I don't recall typing (nor did I) about protesters being shunned or welcomed. Next of all, I think you misunderstood what I wrote; truthers in New York often piss off a lot of people, for any sort of reasons. And PLEASE don't mention Loose Change, all it was, was a poorly done "documentary" of the attacks on 9/11 done by a college student that should have been paying more attention to his studies then making a crappy video that only can be matched by "Napoleon Dynamite."

And I would point out that using protesters to prove your point is ignorant. Because A) you don't know what you are talking about, and B) There are a butt-load of important issues that you NEVER hear about organized protests of.
A) Care to tell me why I am ignorant? According to what you wrote, I should have seen a bit more then half the town marching down Grand, blocking traffic, and waving truther signs. B) What "butt-load of important issues that I NEVER hear about?" Seriously, if I am "ignorant" simply tell me instead of trying to emphasize something that you won't even explain. C) One more thing, PLEASE don't use any Youtube videos as a resource (just for future reference) because I'm pretty sure many people wished they had those 2 hours or 2 minutes of their lives back.



There are organized protests all over. The largest ones are usually organized by WEARECHANGE, and take place in the capitol, Austin, and in New York. Try checking on the web. Most truth sites will tell you about these upcoming events.

The poll says right on it that it was conducted by New York Times/CBS. Infowars didn't do the poll, they only quoted it. So I can't see why this poll isn't credable.And I mentioned conservative, because it is the conservatives who are ardent supporters of Mr. Bush.

Loose Change isn't just a documentary, it is also a truth group, with a few million of members. They have come a long way since the 2nd edition. They gots Willie Nelson!
And there are still many questions from their crappy documentry that still haven't been answered. Like the flight tag of 93 being recorded at Cincinatti airport at the same time it was supposed to be in a field. Or why the CIA's Doomsday Jets were chilling over both the pentagon, and the towers BEFORE they were ever hit. And I do think that it was a crappy film.

I called you ignorant because, who ever heard of the masses protesting over anything? Everyone knows that we need a new health care system. That is something we never need to debate. But no one here is marching in the streets.

And the important issues that I was reffering to are all the common ones. Abortion, Aids, Health Care, Social Security, Ect...... These are all other important issues that there are always people marching on the street, and you rarely hear of.

It isn't fair to argue about anything but the facts though. My position, and yours don't mean anything if it is just a shouting match.

Also, I hate YouTube too. And Wiki. With the worse being the latter. All these a-holes on YouTube make me look foolish.
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Re: Don't take my word for it.....take theirs.

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Postby heavycola on Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:31 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.


I SAID go to Infowars. It is old news. So you'll have to check their archive.


So... I went to infowars and tried a fewq searches. Here is the story that best matches your claims. I quote:

"Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth , and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention ."

So...
in a presentation that sounds like a look at how catchy ideas are disseminated through the internet they use 9/11 whacko sites as well as jihadist sites?

er... so what?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - if this wasn't the story, please point me to the right one and i'll apologise and take a look.
But at the moment, in all honesty, your chinese whisper claims - "The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites" - looks like bullshit and exaggeration.
Which,it's fair to say, is probably behind most of this hysteria.
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Postby heavycola on Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:33 am

heavycola wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites.


I SAID go to Infowars. It is old news. So you'll have to check their archive.


So... I went to infowars and tried a fewq searches. Here is the story that best matches your claims. I quote:

"Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth , and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention ."

So...
in a presentation that sounds like a look at how catchy ideas - notable '9/11/ conspiracies' - are disseminated through the internet they use 9/11 conspiracy sites?

er... so what?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - if this wasn't the story, please point me to the right one and i'll apologise and take a look.
But at the moment, in all honesty, your chinese whisper claims - "The Department of Homeland security has a list of "most dangerous" web sites. Nearly all of them are truth web sites" - looks like bullshit and exaggeration.
Which,it's fair to say, is what is probably behind this hysteria.
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