Martial Arts.

[muy_thaiguy]

I was thinking that, but was unsure.

[mybike_yourface]

My college offered four years of Poekoelan, and I should have taken it, because so far as I can find there is not a single Poekoelan instructor anywhere in the metropolitan area I now live in. And it's so cool looking.

I do own a copy of the martial arts video 'Tai Chi for Young People', but I've never actually done it.

i looked into poekoelan a little when i was into portland. i had a bad phone conversation with the instructor and it turned me off.

[Strife]

If I've learned anything useful, it's that you shouldn't say you're going to beat up anybody and then try it. You should beat them up first and then announce that you did it.

Well naturally, suprise is the best strategy.

And learn how to use a baseball bat!

My weapon of choice would have to be Kendo Sticks.

I prefer either the bo staff,

(about 6 ft long)
Or simple knife. Quite handy in a pinch really.

Did you see the movie?



Chainsaw is even better!

those aren't kendo sticks. those are escrima sticks.

Escrima sticks are the exact same thing just simply for Japanese Shotokan, they are both capped at the same size limit in bouts and are both made of Bamboo.

[mybike_yourface]

Hi guys,

5th dan Tae-Kwon-Do (Moo Duk Kwan)
1st dan Kung-Soo-Do Japanese Karate similar to Shoto-Kan

Weapons?

I used to be able to swing a three sectioned staff without hitting myself, As for actually hitting anybody else with it? Probably not.

I've played around with several other systems (in that I didn't recieve a black belt or instructor rank)

Wa- Do - Kai Aikido
Wing CHun Kung Fu

Strife I'm really impressed with the range of master rankings that you've racked up. How long did it take you? My fifth dan in TKD took over twenty years.

It's been 11 years-The rest was within the last 8 years- since I started TKD, from this guy named J.D. Rifkin(I mention his name cause he has some crappy movies from the 80's) As for mastery I wouldn't call myself a master, I know people who are better at forms than I, but I dislike forms.

So do I, but they are good for stances. But not much else.

you have to look deeper into forms. tkd forms are copied from japanese forms which are watered down from the Okinawa te(which were developed from southern kung fu forms and indigenous martial arts kept secret from the japanese) to teach to school children. when i did american karate(a mix of kempo, shotokan, tkd) i didn't like forms either. no one could tell me what the moves really meant, what the history of them were or why we stood in a stances we did. i learned to spar in a muy thai/kickboxing style while doing a mix of forms that besides the kempo made little sense. since our self defense techniques were largely from the kempo forms it helped me enjoy the kempo forms more. but the self defense techniques were fairly misunderstood as well. i really never appreciated what forms are until i did chinese martial arts. my sifu can tell you what most of the moves in forms mean, their applications and can explain why they're done in a stylized way. and he actually admits it when he has no idea what a move in a from is for(such as a butterfly aerial). most moves in a chinese martial art systems form have a strike , chin-na(locks, breaks, pressure point strikes) and wrestling application. there's also chi gong built into most systems as well. in chinese martial arts form can be an amazing stylistic way to hand down a whole system and it's techniques. these techniques which were often obscured by the stylized nature of the system to keep techniques secret which was a matter of life and death in the old days. when i did karate it was just a pain in the ass thing i had to learn to get the next belt.

[mybike_yourface]

If I've learned anything useful, it's that you shouldn't say you're going to beat up anybody and then try it. You should beat them up first and then announce that you did it.

Well naturally, suprise is the best strategy.

And learn how to use a baseball bat!

My weapon of choice would have to be Kendo Sticks.

I prefer either the bo staff,

(about 6 ft long)
Or simple knife. Quite handy in a pinch really.

Did you see the movie?



Chainsaw is even better!

those aren't kendo sticks. those are escrima sticks.

Escrima sticks are the exact same thing just simply for Japanese Shotokan, they are both capped at the same size limit in bouts and are both made of Bamboo.

shotokan was a style made for school children. do you even know what kendo means? do you know what a kendo shinai is?

[Strife]

If I've learned anything useful, it's that you shouldn't say you're going to beat up anybody and then try it. You should beat them up first and then announce that you did it.

Well naturally, suprise is the best strategy.

And learn how to use a baseball bat!

My weapon of choice would have to be Kendo Sticks.

I prefer either the bo staff,

(about 6 ft long)
Or simple knife. Quite handy in a pinch really.

Did you see the movie?



Chainsaw is even better!

those aren't kendo sticks. those are escrima sticks.

Escrima sticks are the exact same thing just simply for Japanese Shotokan, they are both capped at the same size limit in bouts and are both made of Bamboo.

shotokan was a style made for school children. do you even know what kendo means? do you know what a kendo shinai is?

I don't see why you are getting so angry and now I honestly believe you have no Martial Arts experience. A true Martial Artist respects all aspect, even those seen as inferior shall never be spoken alloud. Shotokan was NOT made for children of Japan, it was taught to basic foot soldiers who were training to become samurai.

[mybike_yourface]

those aren't kendo sticks. those are escrima sticks.[/quote]Escrima sticks are the exact same thing just simply for Japanese Shotokan, they are both capped at the same size limit in bouts and are both made of Bamboo. [/quote]

shotokan was a style made for school children. do you even know what kendo means? do you know what a kendo shinai is?[/quote]

I don't see why you are getting so angry and now I honestly believe you have no Martial Arts experience. A true Martial Artist respects all aspect, even those seen as inferior shall never be spoken alloud. Shotokan was NOT made for children of Japan, it was taught to basic foot soldiers who were training to become samurai.[/quote]

maybe you should read a little more about Gichin Funakoshi. shotokan is a simplified style. Funakoshi watered down the 2 okinawan styles he studied to be taught to the japanese(the enemy of the okinawan). it's a watered down system. i'm not angry it's just simple facts. i studied shotokan for years. it's origins have nothing to do with samurai or foot soldiers. learn your history.

[Strife]

If I've learned anything useful, it's that you shouldn't say you're going to beat up anybody and then try it. You should beat them up first and then announce that you did it.

Well naturally, suprise is the best strategy.

And learn how to use a baseball bat!

My weapon of choice would have to be Kendo Sticks.

I prefer either the bo staff,

(about 6 ft long)
Or simple knife. Quite handy in a pinch really.

Did you see the movie?



Chainsaw is even better!

those aren't kendo sticks. those are escrima sticks.

Escrima sticks are the exact same thing just simply for Japanese Shotokan, they are both capped at the same size limit in bouts and are both made of Bamboo.

shotokan was a style made for school children. do you even know what kendo means? do you know what a kendo shinai is?

I don't see why you are getting so angry and now I honestly believe you have no Martial Arts experience. A true Martial Artist respects all aspect, even those seen as inferior shall never be spoken alloud. Shotokan was NOT made for children of Japan, it was taught to basic foot soldiers who were training to become samurai.

maybe you should read a little more about Gichin Funakoshi. shotokan is a simplified style. Funakoshi watered down the 2 okinawan styles he studied to be taught to the japanese(the enemy of the okinawan). it's a watered down system. i'm not angry it's just simple facts. i studied shotokan for years. it's origins have nothing to do with samurai or foot soldiers. learn your history.

I'm not gonna argue with you and your history. Not worth my time.

[mybike_yourface]

[/quote]I'm not gonna argue with you and your history. Not worth my time.[/quote]

total cop out. you're completly ignorant of shotokan history and seemingly of the history of karate itself. you should hit up the library sometime. or just use wikipedia and catch up on the basics.

and if you can find any aplicable moves in the first Heian/Pinan katas(Pinan Shodan and Pinan Nidan) let me know. they're froms that were used to teach very elementry karate movements to kids. if anyone ever punched at my like that they'd be in for a rude awakening.

[Strife]

I'm not gonna argue with you and your history. Not worth my time.

total cop out. you're completly ignorant of shotokan history and seemingly of the history of karate itself. you should hit up the library sometime. or just use wikipedia and catch up on the basics.[/qoute]

and if you can find any aplicable moves in the first Heian/Pinan katas(Pinan Shodan and Pinan Nidan) let me know. they're froms that were used to teach very elementry karate movements to kids. if anyone ever punched at my like that they'd be in for a rude awakening.

This is the last time I'm gonna reply to you, troll. Karate is not a universal term for Martial Art's, catching up on basics isn't going to happen, I'm already creating my own style thank you very much. Also, maybe you should hit up the library and wikipedia and learn how to make sentences and capitalize. I don't understand your gibberish of a run-on sentence at the end there, but if someone threw a punch in my direction I would block it push them back and then warn them if they do it again they get a "Flying Knee" to the face. Before I forget learn how to qoute.

[strike wolf]

Hi guys,

5th dan Tae-Kwon-Do (Moo Duk Kwan)
1st dan Kung-Soo-Do Japanese Karate similar to Shoto-Kan

Weapons?

I used to be able to swing a three sectioned staff without hitting myself, As for actually hitting anybody else with it? Probably not.

I've played around with several other systems (in that I didn't recieve a black belt or instructor rank)

Wa- Do - Kai Aikido
Wing CHun Kung Fu

Strife I'm really impressed with the range of master rankings that you've racked up. How long did it take you? My fifth dan in TKD took over twenty years.

It's been 11 years-The rest was within the last 8 years- since I started TKD, from this guy named J.D. Rifkin(I mention his name cause he has some crappy movies from the 80's) As for mastery I wouldn't call myself a master, I know people who are better at forms than I, but I dislike forms.

So do I, but they are good for stances. But not much else.

you have to look deeper into forms. tkd forms are copied from japanese forms which are watered down from the Okinawa te(which were developed from southern kung fu forms and indigenous martial arts kept secret from the japanese) to teach to school children. when i did american karate(a mix of kempo, shotokan, tkd) i didn't like forms either. no one could tell me what the moves really meant, what the history of them were or why we stood in a stances we did. i learned to spar in a muy thai/kickboxing style while doing a mix of forms that besides the kempo made little sense. since our self defense techniques were largely from the kempo forms it helped me enjoy the kempo forms more. but the self defense techniques were fairly misunderstood as well. i really never appreciated what forms are until i did chinese martial arts. my sifu can tell you what most of the moves in forms mean, their applications and can explain why they're done in a stylized way. and he actually admits it when he has no idea what a move in a from is for(such as a butterfly aerial). most moves in a chinese martial art systems form have a strike , chin-na(locks, breaks, pressure point strikes) and wrestling application. there's also chi gong built into most systems as well. in chinese martial arts form can be an amazing stylistic way to hand down a whole system and it's techniques. these techniques which were often obscured by the stylized nature of the system to keep techniques secret which was a matter of life and death in the old days. when i did karate it was just a pain in the ass thing i had to learn to get the next belt.

I know exactly what you mean. Over the years I have been involved with American karate and have had two 4 hour, three 3 hour and one 2 hour seminar with a Japanese instructor, however most of the time my spent in an Okinawan dojo. I never got the same understanding of forms from the Japanese instructor or even moreso the American instructor as I have in practicing the Okinawan style. Every move has not only one but 100 possible ways to use it. That little twist of the hip to generate power. Using a lose-heavy feel instead of trying to just muscle the strike. Thinking about the block as a set up for the next move or maybe even a strike itself. Using your stance to ground yourself into position and allow you to make more solid strikes rather than bouncing off. that move with the leg is more than just to help you switch into a horse stance, it's also part of a leg sweep series.

I also feel that in the Okinawan dojo, I've gotten more of a chance to pick and choose what application fits me best for each move.

As far as history is concerned I find a lot of it is very interesting. One of my forms is actually a retelling of a fight between, I believe, a Chinese fisherman and Japanese police and is named after the fisherman (who I believe studied Hop Gar Kung fu. Does that sound right?).

[Anarkistsdream]

If I've learned anything useful, it's that you shouldn't say you're going to beat up anybody and then try it. You should beat them up first and then announce that you did it.

Well naturally, suprise is the best strategy.

And learn how to use a baseball bat!

My weapon of choice would have to be Kendo Sticks.

No such thing as Kendo sticks, Strife, so what the hell are you talking about..? Kendo uses Boken or Shinai.

Those are Escrima, and come from the Phillipines.

[mybike_yourface]

I'm not gonna argue with you and your history. Not worth my time.

total cop out. you're completly ignorant of shotokan history and seemingly of the history of karate itself. you should hit up the library sometime. or just use wikipedia and catch up on the basics.[/qoute]

and if you can find any aplicable moves in the first Heian/Pinan katas(Pinan Shodan and Pinan Nidan) let me know. they're froms that were used to teach very elementry karate movements to kids. if anyone ever punched at my like that they'd be in for a rude awakening.

This is the last time I'm gonna reply to you, troll. Karate is not a universal term for Martial Art's, catching up on basics isn't going to happen, I'm already creating my own style thank you very much. Also, maybe you should hit up the library and wikipedia and learn how to make sentences and capitalize. I don't understand your gibberish of a run-on sentence at the end there, but if someone threw a punch in my direction I would block it push them back and then warn them if they do it again they get a "Flying Knee" to the face. Before I forget learn how to qoute.

accusing me of being a troll and then attacking my grammar is a sure sign that you have no real arguments to make. why haven't you responded to ANY of the factual points i've brought up about shotokan karate specifically? do you even do shotokan? what would posses you to try and make up your own style?

[mybike_yourface]

Curiosity got the best of me, so anybody here into Martial Arts? If so what style and what belt are you. I'll start off:


Muay Thai ~ 7th degree Black belt
Tae-Kwon-Do ~ 7th degree Black belt
Jeet-Kune-Do ~ Black sash
Tang-Soo-Do ~ 2nd Brown belt
Shotokan ~ 3rd Blue belt
Shaolin ~ 7th degree Black belt
Wing Chun ~ 5th degree Black belt

Thats it for me.

i didn't know they give out belts in muy thai. who do you do shaolin with? which shaolin forms/system do you do? what's your wing chun lineage?

[strike wolf]

i think the belt is kind of an Americanized thing. Not sure but I do know that I've heard of muy thai people here in the states who are considered black belts.

[jiminski]

Curiosity got the best of me, so anybody here into Martial Arts? If so what style and what belt are you. I'll start off:


Muay Thai ~ 7th degree Black belt
Tae-Kwon-Do ~ 7th degree Black belt
Jeet-Kune-Do ~ Black sash
Tang-Soo-Do ~ 2nd Brown belt
Shotokan ~ 3rd Blue belt
Shaolin ~ 7th degree Black belt
Wing Chun ~ 5th degree Black belt

Thats it for me.

i didn't know they give out belts in muy thai. who do you do shaolin with? which shaolin forms/system do you do? what's your wing chun lineage?

What's with all the questions?

[strike wolf]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

[mybike_yourface]

Curiosity got the best of me, so anybody here into Martial Arts? If so what style and what belt are you. I'll start off:


Muay Thai ~ 7th degree Black belt
Tae-Kwon-Do ~ 7th degree Black belt
Jeet-Kune-Do ~ Black sash
Tang-Soo-Do ~ 2nd Brown belt
Shotokan ~ 3rd Blue belt
Shaolin ~ 7th degree Black belt
Wing Chun ~ 5th degree Black belt

Thats it for me.

i didn't know they give out belts in muy thai. who do you do shaolin with? which shaolin forms/system do you do? what's your wing chun lineage?

What's with all the questions?

just curious. he seems to know very little for a person with some many belts.

[jiminski]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

that was my guess too Strike. ; )

[mybike_yourface]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

he honestly has me curious. so far he has gotten defensive when i pointed out some obvious facts and has made no actual argument back to me. i do think that his pedigree seems dubious. but who knows.

[strike wolf]

who knows. I don't really care that much either though.

To change pace a little, I like going through the kata, especially pimpi. It was one of the first multi-directional kata (moves forward, back, side to side, at the 45) I learned. The first move is one of the most powerful I have learned to this point. It's a relatively simple move but with all the twisting power you can build it up, it can really come in with an amazing amount of force.

[Strife]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

he honestly has me curious. so far he has gotten defensive when i pointed out some obvious facts and has made no actual argument back to me. i do think that his pedigree seems dubious. but who knows.

Listen, you apparently think you are an expert with Shotokan, you might be I don't know. Incase you can't tell it's not my strongest suit. I've only started taking for bout 3 years now, more history, I was told, will be taught at a 1st degree black. My Sensei told me, today, we are both right, I just came back from class. (Makoto Martial Arts) I made no arguement against you because I was unsure, he said history is taught later so it doesn't "cloud" your mind while learning forms.
He said that Escrima sticks are similar to Kendo sticks but not one in the same. I myself said that they were similar, AD Kendo sticks are real I have a pair sitting on a coffee table in my family room. (I might take a pic and download it to show you.) Also belts mean Fighting and form skill, not a history degree.

I learned Shaolin from my father, who learned from Master Ko. I learned TKD from J.D. Rifkin who learned from He Il Cho.(My father learned from him too) Wing Chun lineage? I'm unsure what you ask for, but my teacher is Sifu Dane, also taught me JKD. In Muay Thai I learned from my uncle whom also taught my cousin. It was very hard since he only spoke Thai. I apologise for attacking your grammar and I never said you were wrong with your history. I'm creating my own style as Bruce Lee did, I wanna be the best of the best and completely unpredictable in battle. Right now people in my area, who compete in fighting competitions know my styles. With my own they won't know whats coming. I plan on combining Muay Thai and Shaolins "Tiger Claw's" to make a deadly union.

[CrazyAnglican]

Yeah,

Bonkai in forms is an interesting topic and well worth studying. There a quite a few really good sparring/fighting techniques I've learned from studying Kata. I used to tell my students that learning kata was like pealing an onion (there is always another level as you get deeper into it). First learn the pattern/techinques; then learn the breathing and fundamentals of power, then start looking at bonkai (ie what the other person is doing, could also be why each technique is there). That second hand sideways under your spearhand is a killer if you know how to use it. You'll be told it's a block, but the block comes before the spear hand not after. It deflects an incoming punch leaving the attacker open for the spearhand. (I wish I had picture handy it's really simple and you'll hit with it almost every time).

[Strife]

This post is slightly regaurding redirection and misdirection. (brought up by CA[Mind if I call you that CrazyAnglican?])

I slightly disliked JKD for two reasons, my Sifu was and still is extremely full of himself and in JKD because, I think he had a man-crush on Bruce lee. The other reason I disliked it is with the redirection punches it's hard to remember that you block with punches. Being already aware of Martial Art's while starting it whenever he tried to teach me a new RD/MD (redirection misdirection) move I would block it and then throw a punch or knee, any move. JKD doesn't get along to well with other Martial Art's cause of that. Unless you have good memory or your Sifu doesn't scream in your ear telling you that you screwed up.

[mybike_yourface]

He's trying to prove that strife is lying I think.

he honestly has me curious. so far he has gotten defensive when i pointed out some obvious facts and has made no actual argument back to me. i do think that his pedigree seems dubious. but who knows.

Listen, you apparently think you are an expert with Shotokan, you might be I don't know. Incase you can't tell it's not my strongest suit. I've only started taking for bout 3 years now, more history, I was told, will be taught at a 1st degree black. My Sensei told me, today, we are both right, I just came back from class. (Makoto Martial Arts) I made no arguement against you because I was unsure, he said history is taught later so it doesn't "cloud" your mind while learning forms.
He said that Escrima sticks are similar to Kendo sticks but not one in the same. I myself said that they were similar, AD Kendo sticks are real I have a pair sitting on a coffee table in my family room. (I might take a pic and download it to show you.) Also belts mean Fighting and form skill, not a history degree.

I learned Shaolin from my father, who learned from Master Ko. I learned TKD from J.D. Rifkin who learned from He Il Cho.(My father learned from him too) Wing Chun lineage? I'm unsure what you ask for, but my teacher is Sifu Dane, also taught me JKD. In Muay Thai I learned from my uncle whom also taught my cousin. It was very hard since he only spoke Thai. I apologise for attacking your grammar and I never said you were wrong with your history. I'm creating my own style as Bruce Lee did, I wanna be the best of the best and completely unpredictable in battle. Right now people in my area, who compete in fighting competitions know my styles. With my own they won't know whats coming. I plan on combining Muay Thai and Shaolins "Tiger Claw's" to make a deadly union.

finally a reasonable responce. kendo means way of the sword, by the way. so a kendo stick wouldn't make much sense unless you were talking about a boken or shinai.