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b.k. barunt wrote:Snorri's like one of those fufu dogs who get all excited and dance around pissing on themself.
suggs wrote:scared off by all the pervs and wankers already? No? Then let me introduce myself, I'm Mr Pervy Wank.
Norse wrote:Ha!
I've seen that stoooopid "capitalism pyramid" in loads of places, and it is a mockery of the truth.
The facts of the matter, is that white, working, middle class men are the slaves at the bottom, while limp-wristed, metero-sexual tsars of faggottry are the flustered, squeaky, bleating rulers....the white working man holding up the rest of the otherwise inefficient, lemon-tea-drinking, "never turned a penny in their life" islington brigade..
You lot owe me, big time.
Nevertheless...I have other plans for you.
Napoleon Ier wrote:Socialism is a nonsensical, fundamentally evil system contrary to human nature, which simply was an infantile response to a flawed capitalo-feusalist system in the 19th (20th for Russia), nothing but a risible product of its time with populistic appeal. And yes, Socialism is a variant of communism, which today is watered down but still dangerous.
sangfroid wrote:btownmeggy wrote:Kinda... flawed, huh?
What's flawed?
Napoleon Ier wrote:Socialism is a nonsensical, fundamentally evil system contrary to human nature, which simply was an infantile response to a flawed capitalo-feusalist system in the 19th (20th for Russia), nothing but a risible product of its time with populistic appeal. And yes, Socialism is a variant of communism, which today is watered down but still dangerous.
Napoleon Ier wrote:Socialism is a nonsensical, fundamentally evil system contrary to human nature, which simply was an infantile response to a flawed capitalo-feusalist system in the 19th (20th for Russia), nothing but a risible product of its time with populistic appeal. And yes, Socialism is a variant of communism, which today is watered down but still dangerous.
btownmeggy wrote:Napoleon Ier wrote:Socialism is a nonsensical, fundamentally evil system contrary to human nature, which simply was an infantile response to a flawed capitalo-feusalist system in the 19th (20th for Russia), nothing but a risible product of its time with populistic appeal. And yes, Socialism is a variant of communism, which today is watered down but still dangerous.
Oh, socialism was invented in Russia?
jiminski wrote:Napoleon Ier wrote:Socialism is a nonsensical, fundamentally evil system contrary to human nature, which simply was an infantile response to a flawed capitalo-feusalist system in the 19th (20th for Russia), nothing but a risible product of its time with populistic appeal. And yes, Socialism is a variant of communism, which today is watered down but still dangerous.
Almost every aspect of that statement is as flawed Nap... hehe but i bet you felt bloody good after you wrote it!
Norse wrote:Question.
Wayne wrote:Wow, with a voice like that Dancing Mustard must get all the babes!
Garth wrote:Yeah, I bet he's totally studly and buff.
got tonkaed wrote:I mean seriously though norse, even though you obviously arent a huge fan of this whole idea that you could make a better society by empowering people....you dont think there maybe are some flaws with a free market concept on a purely philosophical level.
Most systems tend to break down under enough scrutiny on some level.
CoffeeCream wrote:Coming soon - universal health care whether you want it or not.
btownmeggy wrote:CoffeeCream wrote:Coming soon - universal health care whether you want it or not.
I want it! I want it!
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36481
My own problem with socialism is that it divides people into groups and then pits them against each other. Usually this is done by claiming one group is a victim of something terrible - racism, bigotry, chauvinism, etc. The government will claim that they are the only ones that can protect these victims and then march in with their solutions. Usually these solutions involve higher taxation. Even when the government does manage to construct a temporary solution, the long-term consequence is even worse. An example of this would be our social security system. It was only meant to provide partial help for the aging and has now been redefined as an entitlement.
Coming soon - universal health care whether you want it or not. The uninsured are going to be viewed as victims that need to be protected. Just wait until that day happens. The government will start demanding you eat healthier foods and exercise more in order for them to cut costs. Yeah, we pay a lot of health care in this country, but we also are living longer as a result.
My point is that government can not meet the expectations of whatever "service" they say they will provide to the masses, no matter how well intentioned.
Napoleon Ier wrote:
The problems are that
a. Due to its expensive nature taxes must be raised to fund the insurance of the less affluent.
b. This entrains a raise of taxes, a negative force on the economy
c. Automatically problems arise as people have no motive to not behave like hypochondriacs
d. (and this vital) Politicians have only gone to extremes, no health care and universal
Solution-Keyhole Surgery (npi), minimize interference to the specific problem
1. Raise a small tax for emergencies
2. Allow people system by which they can put away a percentage of their paycheck into a high interest account which can build up cumulatively, and serve as their own health insurance
That way, people are able to decide what they need or their health selectively, using their own cash, not squandering other peoples, whilst emergencies are covered.
Naponleon Ier wrote:2. Allow people system by which they can put away a percentage of their paycheck into a high interest account which can build up cumulatively, and serve as their own health insurance
That way, people are able to decide what they need or their health selectively, using their own cash, not squandering other peoples, whilst emergencies are covered.
got tonkaed wrote:2) while benefiting the middle class, this option to save out of your check in no way helps the 40-50 million americans who are squeaking by as it is and are likely to not be able to pay for healthcare. Since they are maintaing on a check to check basis, you really think they are going to be able to start putting money aside into a different fund? Clearly this type of solution does not understand the nature of the problem of national healthcare.
Napoleon Ier wrote:It isnt flawless, however, I believe you'll find the solution is one of the best. I cant find the exact reference, but an excellent economist Tim Harford elaborated on this keyhole theory, Ill try and find it. I think you'll find though that healthcare at the moment costs a lot more than it should, and that this works out reasonably well : people can use their own money to chosse what they want as treatment. Sure, there's plenty of money that has to go for emergencies, but you can force them to contribute at the point they chose to undergo expensive, extensive care.
Napoleon Ier wrote:It is a question of balance and minimal intervention, though I can but agree with your last post.
Dancing Mustard wrote:Norse wrote:Question.
Tell me how your angels get down like that? Charlie how your angels get down like that?
b.k. barunt wrote:Snorri's like one of those fufu dogs who get all excited and dance around pissing on themself.
suggs wrote:scared off by all the pervs and wankers already? No? Then let me introduce myself, I'm Mr Pervy Wank.
got tonkaed wrote:Napoleon Ier wrote:It is a question of balance and minimal intervention, though I can but agree with your last post.
ah but this sentiment forces me to wonder who benefits. As it stands, in many ways balance and minimial intervention does not seem to be doing much of the population a great bit of good. Certainly the current status quo allows an opperutnity for growth, but that growth does not reach everyone.
Very rarely does the status quo do positive things in the arena of social problems.
btownmeggy wrote:I want it! I want it!
b.k. barunt wrote:Snorri's like one of those fufu dogs who get all excited and dance around pissing on themself.
suggs wrote:scared off by all the pervs and wankers already? No? Then let me introduce myself, I'm Mr Pervy Wank.
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