US: Democrat or Republican

[Backglass]

All of my gay friends claim it.

they would.
In reality, your base is flawed, your vision is blurred, you simply follow an accepted view because it fits inwith the pc trash ou are made to swallow
(no personal insult intended

Wow. My base are my gay friends...should I use some other frame of reference? I believe it, because they believe it. The fact they they have lived with it every day of their lives evidently has no merit in your eyes. Very interesting. Oh...and I am anything but politically correct.

You on the other hand come across as your typical angry republican (no personal insult intended).

Why do you hate homosexuals so much?

[Snorri1234]

homosexuality is an improper cancer on society. individuals with damaged psychology are homosexuals, the genetic-inheritance crap makes no sense, itis a construct of bolsho-mediatic press.
Homosexuality is an abhorration of nature, which forms weak half-men. The individual's correct formation must pass through intrisically heterosexual instinct, of finding a woman and starting a family, which psychologically is indispensable the healthy individual in the healthy society. Reproducing his genes, and breeding more children Deo et patriae, must be a cornerstone of his psyche. Without it, there is not enough meaning to his presence in a community. Due to the fact ours is so pathetic, the homosexual illness is tolerated, however, a real society based around the roles naturally intended for man would not.

I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

because the concept of a psychological health for an individual's health and hence by extension for society beyond simplecure of diseases such as schizophrenia escapes you

Really, I can't tell.

[Napoleon Ier]

I hate the sin not the sinner.
I do believe hwever that a.your gay friends are mistaken in saying it is genetic. The biological evidence does not point there. I would however argue that by virtue of the fact hat homosexulity isapsychologivalillness that weakens the fabric of society, it must be combated. Though I accept if the faggots must bugger each other, it is an infringement of rights to prohibit it by law.

[unriggable]

homosexuality is an improper cancer on society. individuals with damaged psychology are homosexuals, the genetic-inheritance crap makes no sense, itis a construct of bolsho-mediatic press.
Homosexuality is an abhorration of nature, which forms weak half-men. The individual's correct formation must pass through intrisically heterosexual instinct, of finding a woman and starting a family, which psychologically is indispensable the healthy individual in the healthy society. Reproducing his genes, and breeding more children Deo et patriae, must be a cornerstone of his psyche. Without it, there is not enough meaning to his presence in a community. Due to the fact ours is so pathetic, the homosexual illness is tolerated, however, a real society based around the roles naturally intended for man would not.

You're right for the most part. You've got the right idea, but you're reaching the wrong conclusions from it.

It's not cancer. It's not something spread. It's not acquired. You're born with it it, you live with it.

Now what is a homosexual? A homosexual. That's it. They're a person. Now you could argue that the perfect person is straight, has a nine inch penis, a Fabio-perfect face and straight silky-smooth hair, but nobody is perfect. Nobody's face is perfectly symmetrical and nobody ha a perfect body or perfect genes. The results vary from person to person - either we have asthma or a bad heart or a leaking rectum, or we're gay, but since the gay catches our attention the most we pin it on them. Now you could say that people aren't supposed to be gay, but are you going to pin a person with asthma the same way you'd pin a gay?

Be a little consistent.

[Napoleon Ier]

fault of distinction between psychologically formational and physiclly acquired handicaps.

[Snorri1234]

I hate the sin not the sinner.
I do believe hwever that a.your gay friends are mistaken in saying it is genetic. The biological evidence does not point there. I would however argue that by virtue of the fact hat homosexulity isapsychologivalillness that weakens the fabric of society, it must be combated. Though I accept if the faggots must bugger each other, it is an infringement of rights to prohibit it by law.

And what biological evidence might that be?

And at least you got the lawpart right. I don't really mind people saying it's a sin that much, but saying gays can't have the same rights is just really fucking stupid.

[Chris7He]

I feel gay sometimes, but I surpress it as much as possible by thinking about girls and looking a porno. I believe in gay rights, but I disapprove of the lifestyle and never want to be a gay.

[heavycola]

homosexuality is an improper cancer on society. individuals with damaged psychology are homosexuals, the genetic-inheritance crap makes no sense, itis a construct of bolsho-mediatic press.

hahahahahahahahahahaha some more drunk posting from another pseudo-intellectual bore. What is an 'improper cancer'? what is a 'bolsho-mediatic press'? Please explain. Actaully don't, my eyeballs are bleeding enough as it is.

long words... poor grammar... etc... etc...

i think you gave yourself away when you wrote about faggots buggering each other.


Luns - why do you think a homosexual relationship and a heterosexual relationship directly contradict one another?

[Snorri1234]

I feel gay sometimes, but I surpress it as much as possible by thinking about girls and looking a porno. I believe in gay rights, but I disapprove of the lifestyle and never want to be a gay.

Why are you suppressing it? Feeling a little gay sometimes isn't that bad. If you walk down the street, is your head drawn to the hot women or the hot men? Because that's a sure tell sign.

[unriggable]

I hate the sin not the sinner.
I do believe hwever that a.your gay friends are mistaken in saying it is genetic. The biological evidence does not point there. I would however argue that by virtue of the fact hat homosexulity isapsychologivalillness that weakens the fabric of society, it must be combated. Though I accept if the faggots must bugger each other, it is an infringement of rights to prohibit it by law.

...

BK said somewhere (not this thread) that one experiment / study was done, ONE, never reproduced, that consistently showed identical twins were either always straight or gay. Now, that's a 0% track record for you.

[Backglass]

I feel gay sometimes, but I surpress it as much as possible by thinking about girls and looking a porno. I believe in gay rights, but I disapprove of the lifestyle and never want to be a gay.

Yes...suppress your true feelings. Just ignore them, pretend they don't exist and swallow them deep into your stomach where they will fester and burn. That's the way.

You most likely disapprove of the "lifestyle" (whatever THAT is) because your parents do and your religion preaches it.

Speaking of which, people always talk about the "gay lifestyle" as if homosexuals are Martians who live some bizarre non-human life. They aren't. They are exactly like you & I. They like the same things & hate the same things. Gays are conservative, liberal, devoutly religious and deeply atheist.

The people who claim it is some weird, depraved lifestyle obviously don't know any gay people...that they know of.

[unriggable]

The most homophobic are the most gay.

[The Gunslinger]

anyway back on topic.....Im an extreme liberal. Obama in 08!

[unriggable]

anyway back on topic.....Im an extreme liberal. Obama in 08!

If you're very liberal take a look at dennis kucinich.

[Neoteny]

anyway back on topic.....Im an extreme liberal. Obama in 08!

If you're very liberal take a look at dennis kucinich.

I wouldn't consider Obama an extreme liberal. He really supports more bipartisan interactions, which is good I think. I really like Kucinich. We agree on almost everything. If only he weren't religious. Alas...

[luns101]

So in your analogy, you're saying that homosexuals were born that way?

I am, yes.

Care to show the evidence to support that if that is indeed your position.

All of my gay friends claim it. The vast majority of gays in general claim it. They are living it...I am not.

I believe them.

Well, you really have no proof to offer then if you're just going to say "I believe my homosexual friends but I won't consider any other source". There is no gay gene.

I can show you the quotes that would refute that claim.

And Xtratabasco has tons of quotes refuting that a 757 hit the pentagon.

I think you would find these sources slightly more credible...especially since some of them are from pro-homosexual activists themselves.

While not always true (take for example some muslim countries), most societies have laws that are good for society and take into account human rights. For example, murder isn't condemned in society because it's against the bible, but because it's just bad for society (imagine a society where people can easily get away with murder) and violates another persons right to live.

Where did society get the idea that murder is bad from? I can show you that atheists & secular humanists still claim a set of principles to follow. Up until recent times, they were referred to as a religion.

Stealing is against the law because you violate other people's property. While ofcourse religion sometimes has an influence on the law, laws are certainly not based on religion in that way.

Sure, they are..."thou shalt not steal" is religiously based. Secular humanists also think it's wrong, and they are just as religious as an Christian.

You have to ask yourself whether a law would not make sense without religion.

I have asked myself that and have come to the conclusion that they don't make sense. If it's not based on something higher than ourselves than you really can't expect people to obey it except out of selfish reasons or fear of punishment. (In other words, there is no right and wrong...only a consensus on what benefits society).

Why is adultery for example not illegal (at least not in Europe), but theft is? Because one is detrimental to society and the other isn't. Both of these acts are considered a sin in the bible, though.

Good point. The Bible says both are sin so it's consistent. It is human society that is inconsistent and tries to say some sins are OK while others are "sort of" bad. That's justifying the behavior on the part of society.

I mean, what is the point of seperation of church and state if the laws are based on religion? Wtf?

There is no "wall of separation". That phrase was taken out of context from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. Jefferson wasn't even at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 when it was written...he was in France. That phrase was used in the Everson case to justify the Supreme Court's authority over state's rights because New Jersey was one of the states that refused to pass their own version of the Blaine amendments.

Laws are neccesary for a society to thrive because they create a stable environment which is open to expansion.

Agreed to a certain extent. I think it's healthy to acknowledge the source of the law's authority - God.

Are you saying that homosexuality is normal?

Very much yes.

Ok, how so?[/quote]

Because even animals engage in it. Not to mention that the only argument against it is a religious one. Homosexuality is not detrimental to society. It does not harm anyone.[/quote]

I don't think you want to go down the path of "let's say it ok because animals do it". Animals engage in cannibalism as well, are we going to start saying it's our constitutional right to engage in that?

Homosexuality is detrimental to society because it normalizes abnormal behavior. Society is best served when there is a man and woman who bring forth a child. If you start redefining marriage you will eventually be redefining family. A family can survive without a nation, but a nation cannot survive with a family. It does harm families.

That said, homosexuality is als not a choice. Did you choose to be a heterosexual?

Source please...I can show you sources where even homosexual activists say it's not because of some "gay gene" or that they were born that way.

Did I choose to be a heterosexual...no. It is natural for me to be that way as it is for everyone else. It is mankind that tries to pervert that natural inclination and say "I can do what I want with my body and engage it whatever kind of behavior I want to...including homosexual behavior."

[Neoteny]

Homosexuality is detrimental to society because it normalizes abnormal behavior. Society is best served when there is a man and woman who bring forth a child. If you start redefining marriage you will eventually be redefining family. A family can survive without a nation, but a nation cannot survive with a family. It does harm families.

I'm going to leave the rest of the post alone as it's all a bunch of religious pandering that I won't argue with. However, the idea that homosexuality is a detrimental to society because of the normalization of abnormal behavior is absurd. "Normal" behavior and "abnormal" behavior are relative terms that have no bearing on the discussion. Just because it isn't normal at this day in age doesn't mean it won't be in the future or that it shouldn't be. In 1790 in America it was normal for a slave to not be able to vote. That doesn't mean that it isn't right.

The best way to serve society is to bring a child into the world? Are you out of your mind? The world is swelling toward overpopulation and people are living in intense poverty in most parts of the world. A gay couple adopting a child is worse than a straight couple birthing their own? I think not. More power to the straight couple, but gays can, and do, help society.

Redefining marriage is not a slippery slope into the redefinition of family. My family includes the people I love. I include my dog (given, not a person, but a gay person is) in that definition, but I'm not redefining the definition of family. And so what if we redefine what a family is? Paranoia about change is a mainstay of the Republican party and it's very disconcerting. My family got "redefined" when my parents divorced and remarried. I'm still ok, though the country has gone downhill... but it's a little pretentious to blame that on my family.

Your basis for homophobia is a religious one founded on xenophobia and bigotry. Period.

Oh, and I'm totally not comparing gay people to dogs. Just using my dog as an explanatory element.

[CoffeeCream]

Your basis for homophobia is a religious one founded on xenophobia and bigotry. Period.

Yeah this is sure to win converts to your side. I can call people who don't agree with me names. Very original.

[Backglass]

Well, you really have no proof to offer then if you're just going to say "I believe my homosexual friends but I won't consider any other source".

Ya just gotta believe Luns! It's all about FAITH!

There is no gay gene.

The mechanism is not understood...true.

I think you would find these sources slightly more credible...especially since some of them are from pro-homosexual activists themselves.

Any gay preachers?

Your basis for homophobia is a religious one founded on xenophobia and bigotry. Period.

Yeah this is sure to win converts to your side. I can call people who don't agree with me names. Very original.

Tip: Try reading the three paragraphs he wrote before that one.

[mybike_yourface]

democracy is the tyrany of the majority.

[unriggable]

democracy is the tyrany of the majority.

Opinion is the opiate of the masses.

[Backglass]

democracy is the tyrany of the majority.

Opinion is the opiate of the masses.

I am the Walrus, Goo Goo G'Joob.

[Neoteny]

Your basis for homophobia is a religious one founded on xenophobia and bigotry. Period.

Yeah this is sure to win converts to your side. I can call people who don't agree with me names. Very original.

I did not call anyone names, I was expressing an opinion. You could counter my arguments, but you instead make a poor attempt at condescending me. Congratulations, you have contributed nothing. Get over yourself.

And I'm not trying to convert anyone. Unlike religious people, I don't like forcing my beliefs on people.

[Neutrino]

Luns is taking religion too seriously again.

I'll get the SuperSoaker.

P.S. Neoteny is correct in every possible way, shape and form.

[beezer]

I did not call anyone names, I was expressing an opinion.

Obviously you have no concrete facts so you resort to calling people homophobic. You lose.