Mentally Challenged Discussion ( Issue page 1)

[Iliad]

With all these great discussions we have about 9/11, religion and homophobia, I decided to make a thread about one issue greatly ignored today. Retardation.

Story:
I'm going to compare 2 different countries and their views on the following matter. First off, Russia. In Russia, or pretty much any country that once belonged to USSR, retardation is viewed as a deadly disease, and people in those countries believe that mentally challenged people should be locked away in some far away place, like Siberia, and never be heard from again. It is strictly forbidden, not by government laws but by social ones, for retards to have kids, or a family, or any kind of social relationship. So, poop parents are made to hide their children, and a lot of them never even see daylight outside their window. If, some parent/kid is brave enough to leave the safety of his sanctuary, he is discriminated by many, thus resulting in even bigger mental trauma.
Now a different country, Canada, in here retards are allowed to walk freely, have jobs/ families/normal life, there are many programs to help their conditions, many sponsor programs and so on. The one thing that doesnt change, however, is discrimination from peers. In school, they are laughed at, and made fun of. Every one always blames them, and i even heard some teachers express their hate towards these kids in a verbal manner. I don't exclude my self from this either, i have been known to say/do things that would be offensive even to a normal child. Sure Canada's view seems more civilized but it seems that mentally challenged kids suffer even more discrimination in Canada, then they do in Russia.

My p.o.v.:
I believe in the russian point of view, because i think they are better off just being grouped in one place, never be heard from, then constantly laughed at.

In conclusion:
I want to know your opinion, should they be left alone or should we take matter in our owns hands and do something about it. Or maybe you just don't care, i still want to know about it.

Thanks

Umm....I don't know where you're getting your facts. You're speaking absolute crap. As in absolute crap. In Russia retardation isn't seen like a disease. People aren't sent to Siberia. Please don't post stuff you have no idea about

[-ShadySoul-]

With all these great discussions we have about 9/11, religion and homophobia, I decided to make a thread about one issue greatly ignored today. Retardation.

Story:
I'm going to compare 2 different countries and their views on the following matter. First off, Russia. In Russia, or pretty much any country that once belonged to USSR, retardation is viewed as a deadly disease, and people in those countries believe that mentally challenged people should be locked away in some far away place, like Siberia, and never be heard from again. It is strictly forbidden, not by government laws but by social ones, for retards to have kids, or a family, or any kind of social relationship. So, poop parents are made to hide their children, and a lot of them never even see daylight outside their window. If, some parent/kid is brave enough to leave the safety of his sanctuary, he is discriminated by many, thus resulting in even bigger mental trauma.
Now a different country, Canada, in here retards are allowed to walk freely, have jobs/ families/normal life, there are many programs to help their conditions, many sponsor programs and so on. The one thing that doesnt change, however, is discrimination from peers. In school, they are laughed at, and made fun of. Every one always blames them, and i even heard some teachers express their hate towards these kids in a verbal manner. I don't exclude my self from this either, i have been known to say/do things that would be offensive even to a normal child. Sure Canada's view seems more civilized but it seems that mentally challenged kids suffer even more discrimination in Canada, then they do in Russia.

My p.o.v.:
I believe in the russian point of view, because i think they are better off just being grouped in one place, never be heard from, then constantly laughed at.

In conclusion:
I want to know your opinion, should they be left alone or should we take matter in our owns hands and do something about it. Or maybe you just don't care, i still want to know about it.

Thanks

Umm....I don't know where you're getting your facts. You're speaking absolute crap. As in absolute crap. In Russia retardation isn't seen like a disease. People aren't sent to Siberia. Please don't post stuff you have no idea about

dude...im not saying they are sent to Siberia, i used that as a simile. And, if you have lived in russia, you would have noticed that there are way less retards, then on the Western side of the world. Why do you think that is? It is not because russians are incapable of being retarded, we are not superior. It is just that parents there are too used to "normal" kids, with "normal" lives, and cant adjust to their kids, if they turn out retarded.

[muy_thaiguy]

and mtg...read my above post

And what about the family life? The kids whom are raised by their parents? They are taught to do what makes them happy. And by the way, when someone makes/produces products. And when that product is purchased by a person or company, it belongs to that person or company, not everyone.

[-ShadySoul-]

and mtg...read my above post

And what about the family life? The kids whom are raised by their parents? They are taught to do what makes them happy. And by the way, when someone makes/produces products. And when that product is purchased by a person or company, it belongs to that person or company, not everyone.

you hold the product alright, but that company/bussiness holds you. You might no realize it, but, for example: a TV, you think that once you buy it its yours right? No, first you have to pay the bank its credit, then the insurance, then the connection, then the extra channels you want, then pay for electricity. And that chain works for any product you posses, even cloth, once you buy it, its still not yours, it belongs to you, yes, but it is controlled by outside factors. Because you are not going to wear the same thing, because you are afraid that the society will think badly of you. We are controlled by somebody else, and i dont mean God, i mean our fellow men/women.

[Skittles!]

touche...but without work we wouldnt have money, thus we wouldnt have all the fancy things that we are so used to. The computer you are typing this on, it was made by people, with one thing in mind---money. Anything that you own belongs to society, thus it doesnt belong to you. We lock up adults because, like i said, they are the ONLY functional unit of our society. Without them we would be living in the Dark Ages, with no luxury, confused, scared, and just plain retarded. The society gives people hope, and a vision of the future. All the way from kinder garden we are taught that the only way to succeed in life is by studying, getting a better job, getting money. I personally despise that tactic, and i wish i could do something about it, but society overpowers any man by giving its people the sense of false security, or "hope", thus the majority belongs to society, thus society wins

We don't need money, that's what my point was about. These days, Work = Money, and it's ridiculously disgusting. We don't need luxury, yet we still have it. People feel we are superior to other organisms, which I find ridiculous. Yes, you can say I live in a fantasy world.

And no, they had money in the Dark Ages, what they lacked was electronic technology. They had technology, not electronic technology though.

And no, not everything I 'own' belongs to society. You're thinking of a Communist society, and we're not in that. Sadly.

[Skittles!]

and mtg...read my above post

And what about the family life? The kids whom are raised by their parents? They are taught to do what makes them happy. And by the way, when someone makes/produces products. And when that product is purchased by a person or company, it belongs to that person or company, not everyone.

you hold the product alright, but that company/bussiness holds you. You might no realize it, but, for example: a TV, you think that once you buy it its yours right? No, first you have to pay the bank its credit, then the insurance, then the connection, then the extra channels you want, then pay for electricity. And that chain works for any product you posses, even cloth, once you buy it, its still not yours, it belongs to you, yes, but it is controlled by outside factors. Because you are not going to wear the same thing, because you are afraid that the society will think badly of you. We are controlled by somebody else, and i dont mean God, i mean our fellow men/women.

You make sense. We're all being controlled by somewhere else. But that in turn is being controlled by money, by a human creation.

[Iliad]

With all these great discussions we have about 9/11, religion and homophobia, I decided to make a thread about one issue greatly ignored today. Retardation.

Story:
I'm going to compare 2 different countries and their views on the following matter. First off, Russia. In Russia, or pretty much any country that once belonged to USSR, retardation is viewed as a deadly disease, and people in those countries believe that mentally challenged people should be locked away in some far away place, like Siberia, and never be heard from again. It is strictly forbidden, not by government laws but by social ones, for retards to have kids, or a family, or any kind of social relationship. So, poop parents are made to hide their children, and a lot of them never even see daylight outside their window. If, some parent/kid is brave enough to leave the safety of his sanctuary, he is discriminated by many, thus resulting in even bigger mental trauma.
Now a different country, Canada, in here retards are allowed to walk freely, have jobs/ families/normal life, there are many programs to help their conditions, many sponsor programs and so on. The one thing that doesnt change, however, is discrimination from peers. In school, they are laughed at, and made fun of. Every one always blames them, and i even heard some teachers express their hate towards these kids in a verbal manner. I don't exclude my self from this either, i have been known to say/do things that would be offensive even to a normal child. Sure Canada's view seems more civilized but it seems that mentally challenged kids suffer even more discrimination in Canada, then they do in Russia.

My p.o.v.:
I believe in the russian point of view, because i think they are better off just being grouped in one place, never be heard from, then constantly laughed at.

In conclusion:
I want to know your opinion, should they be left alone or should we take matter in our owns hands and do something about it. Or maybe you just don't care, i still want to know about it.

Thanks

Umm....I don't know where you're getting your facts. You're speaking absolute crap. As in absolute crap. In Russia retardation isn't seen like a disease. People aren't sent to Siberia. Please don't post stuff you have no idea about

dude...im not saying they are sent to Siberia, i used that as a simile. And, if you have lived in russia, you would have noticed that there are way less retards, then on the Western side of the world. Why do you think that is? It is not because russians are incapable of being retarded, we are not superior. It is just that parents there are too used to "normal" kids, with "normal" lives, and cant adjust to their kids, if they turn out retarded.

I have lived in Russia.Yeah people are retarded. But they aren't sent away. First of all the Siberia part wasn't clear.

[muy_thaiguy]

and mtg...read my above post

And what about the family life? The kids whom are raised by their parents? They are taught to do what makes them happy. And by the way, when someone makes/produces products. And when that product is purchased by a person or company, it belongs to that person or company, not everyone.

you hold the product alright, but that company/bussiness holds you. You might no realize it, but, for example: a TV, you think that once you buy it its yours right? No, first you have to pay the bank its credit, then the insurance, then the connection, then the extra channels you want, then pay for electricity. And that chain works for any product you posses, even cloth, once you buy it, its still not yours, it belongs to you, yes, but it is controlled by outside factors. Because you are not going to wear the same thing, because you are afraid that the society will think badly of you. We are controlled by somebody else, and i dont mean God, i mean our fellow men/women.

And you live in a delusional society then. Take the US for example. We call football soccer, we don't use the metric system, we drive on the other side of the road, and many more things. If what you were saying were true, wouldn't the US have caved in by now? We Americans are another race altogether. We are more independent (whatever the media says) then most other people. If we were controlled by what other people thought, then the American Revolution wouldn't have happened, Soviet Russia under Stalin would have given in to Hitler, Alexander would never have gone on his conquests. Time and time again, man has shown that they are not easily controlled by each other.

[-ShadySoul-]

touche...but without work we wouldnt have money, thus we wouldnt have all the fancy things that we are so used to. The computer you are typing this on, it was made by people, with one thing in mind---money. Anything that you own belongs to society, thus it doesnt belong to you. We lock up adults because, like i said, they are the ONLY functional unit of our society. Without them we would be living in the Dark Ages, with no luxury, confused, scared, and just plain retarded. The society gives people hope, and a vision of the future. All the way from kinder garden we are taught that the only way to succeed in life is by studying, getting a better job, getting money. I personally despise that tactic, and i wish i could do something about it, but society overpowers any man by giving its people the sense of false security, or "hope", thus the majority belongs to society, thus society wins

We don't need money, that's what my point was about. These days, Work = Money, and it's ridiculously disgusting. We don't need luxury, yet we still have it. People feel we are superior to other organisms, which I find ridiculous. Yes, you can say I live in a fantasy world.

And no, they had money in the Dark Ages, what they lacked was electronic technology. They had technology, not electronic technology though.

And no, not everything I 'own' belongs to society. You're thinking of a Communist society, and we're not in that. Sadly.

Yeah, im a communist allright, im used to everyone being the same and having the same luxury, and you can say that I AM living in the fantasy world. It just pisses me off, that something else shapes me the way it wants to shape me. And the fucking thing does not want to let me go, people that have tried to break apart from society were either burned on a pole, or shoved into the medical clinics. The whole life is like a game of mafia, there are people that want society to succeed ( mafia), people that want to change it ( cops ) and people that go with the flow ( civilians ) But then, if this is society, people that tried to change it, like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, they were really the good guys? After all, they were going against social standards, thus breaking the "unbreakable" rules. Maybe they were the change we need, but most likely not. And in the future, thus who will try to take society on, will fail miserably

[muy_thaiguy]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

[Skittles!]

touche...but without work we wouldnt have money, thus we wouldnt have all the fancy things that we are so used to. The computer you are typing this on, it was made by people, with one thing in mind---money. Anything that you own belongs to society, thus it doesnt belong to you. We lock up adults because, like i said, they are the ONLY functional unit of our society. Without them we would be living in the Dark Ages, with no luxury, confused, scared, and just plain retarded. The society gives people hope, and a vision of the future. All the way from kinder garden we are taught that the only way to succeed in life is by studying, getting a better job, getting money. I personally despise that tactic, and i wish i could do something about it, but society overpowers any man by giving its people the sense of false security, or "hope", thus the majority belongs to society, thus society wins

We don't need money, that's what my point was about. These days, Work = Money, and it's ridiculously disgusting. We don't need luxury, yet we still have it. People feel we are superior to other organisms, which I find ridiculous. Yes, you can say I live in a fantasy world.

And no, they had money in the Dark Ages, what they lacked was electronic technology. They had technology, not electronic technology though.

And no, not everything I 'own' belongs to society. You're thinking of a Communist society, and we're not in that. Sadly.

Yeah, im a communist allright, im used to everyone being the same and having the same luxury, and you can say that I AM living in the fantasy world. It just pisses me off, that something else shapes me the way it wants to shape me. And the fucking thing does not want to let me go, people that have tried to break apart from society were either burned on a pole, or shoved into the medical clinics. The whole life is like a game of mafia, there are people that want society to succeed ( mafia), people that want to change it ( cops ) and people that go with the flow ( civilians ) But then, if this is society, people that tried to change it, like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, they were really the good guys? After all, they were going against social standards, thus breaking the "unbreakable" rules. Maybe they were the change we need, but most likely not. And in the future, thus who will try to take society on, will fail miserably

Ah, Communist. Don't let MTG see!

You forgot Guevara, by the way, with people that have changed society. And Castro.. But that's a different topic.

Rules are breakable, anyone can break them, and everyone breaks them, no matter what. Even a toddler breaks rules, and that's because there are so many that we don't need.

[-ShadySoul-]

and mtg...read my above post

And what about the family life? The kids whom are raised by their parents? They are taught to do what makes them happy. And by the way, when someone makes/produces products. And when that product is purchased by a person or company, it belongs to that person or company, not everyone.

you hold the product alright, but that company/bussiness holds you. You might no realize it, but, for example: a TV, you think that once you buy it its yours right? No, first you have to pay the bank its credit, then the insurance, then the connection, then the extra channels you want, then pay for electricity. And that chain works for any product you posses, even cloth, once you buy it, its still not yours, it belongs to you, yes, but it is controlled by outside factors. Because you are not going to wear the same thing, because you are afraid that the society will think badly of you. We are controlled by somebody else, and i dont mean God, i mean our fellow men/women.

And you live in a delusional society then. Take the US for example. We call football soccer, we don't use the metric system, we drive on the other side of the road, and many more things. If what you were saying were true, wouldn't the US have caved in by now? We Americans are another race altogether. We are more independent (whatever the media says) then most other people. If we were controlled by what other people thought, then the American Revolution wouldn't have happened, Soviet Russia under Stalin would have given in to Hitler, Alexander would never have gone on his conquests. Time and time again, man has shown that they are not easily controlled by each other.

the people you think of are exceptions. Ex: Each new leader brough on new society, and the person who wasnt agreeing with it, wanted to change iit. Time after time, they all failed, because later on came someone else who would control them. And at the current times. USA is currently worlds power, but who can tell me for sure that in 100 years it will stay the same. No one. Some one will come, and control them, they wont be controlled by God, they will be controlled by a human being, with a new set of rules of how to live life.

[-ShadySoul-]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

MTG
its hard to argue about this seeing as we were brought up from different cultures, for each of us it seems like our believes are the right ones. And yes, i used those people to show my point, that maybe the society is not what it looks like, maybe the rules we have, about money and material possesion are not the right ones. Maybe those things dont actually make us happy, and maybe the things that Lenin or Mao could do, would be better for us. Maybe, Maybe not. It is just we are so used to live by th same morals, that we dont want to accept something that does not follow them. And i just dont want us, in the future, to argue over our political views, because neither of us will win, and we will just hate each other, just like communists hate capitalists, and capitalists hate communists

[-ShadySoul-]

touche...but without work we wouldnt have money, thus we wouldnt have all the fancy things that we are so used to. The computer you are typing this on, it was made by people, with one thing in mind---money. Anything that you own belongs to society, thus it doesnt belong to you. We lock up adults because, like i said, they are the ONLY functional unit of our society. Without them we would be living in the Dark Ages, with no luxury, confused, scared, and just plain retarded. The society gives people hope, and a vision of the future. All the way from kinder garden we are taught that the only way to succeed in life is by studying, getting a better job, getting money. I personally despise that tactic, and i wish i could do something about it, but society overpowers any man by giving its people the sense of false security, or "hope", thus the majority belongs to society, thus society wins

We don't need money, that's what my point was about. These days, Work = Money, and it's ridiculously disgusting. We don't need luxury, yet we still have it. People feel we are superior to other organisms, which I find ridiculous. Yes, you can say I live in a fantasy world.

And no, they had money in the Dark Ages, what they lacked was electronic technology. They had technology, not electronic technology though.

And no, not everything I 'own' belongs to society. You're thinking of a Communist society, and we're not in that. Sadly.

Yeah, im a communist allright, im used to everyone being the same and having the same luxury, and you can say that I AM living in the fantasy world. It just pisses me off, that something else shapes me the way it wants to shape me. And the fucking thing does not want to let me go, people that have tried to break apart from society were either burned on a pole, or shoved into the medical clinics. The whole life is like a game of mafia, there are people that want society to succeed ( mafia), people that want to change it ( cops ) and people that go with the flow ( civilians ) But then, if this is society, people that tried to change it, like Stalin, Lenin, Mao, they were really the good guys? After all, they were going against social standards, thus breaking the "unbreakable" rules. Maybe they were the change we need, but most likely not. And in the future, thus who will try to take society on, will fail miserably

Ah, Communist. Don't let MTG see!

You forgot Guevara, by the way, with people that have changed society. And Castro.. But that's a different topic.

Rules are breakable, anyone can break them, and everyone breaks them, no matter what. Even a toddler breaks rules, and that's because there are so many that we don't need.

rules are borders, and they put us into different groups, those that follow rules are considered as memorable members of society, and those that break rules are considered criminals.

[jay_a2j]

After reading the first few pages of this thread I'd like to make a statement.



Here in the United States of America we have a little thing called "discrimination". Some posters here may not be aware of this but retarded individuals are people too. Some of you might remember an 80's show, Life Goes On with the lead character "Corky" being mentally challenged. He probably made more money than most in this thread could ever hope of making. You might pause for a moment and consider that they are people, with feelings and emotions. This talk of shipping them off to Siberia away from "normal" people, or keeping them hidden away, out of sight makes me wonder.....who really should be rounded up and done away with?

[muy_thaiguy]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

MTG
its hard to argue about this seeing as we were brought up from different cultures, for each of us it seems like our believes are the right ones. And yes, i used those people to show my point, that maybe the society is not what it looks like, maybe the rules we have, about money and material possesion are not the right ones. Maybe those things dont actually make us happy, and maybe the things that Lenin or Mao could do, would be better for us. Maybe, Maybe not. It is just we are so used to live by th same morals, that we dont want to accept something that does not follow them. And i just dont want us, in the future, to argue over our political views, because neither of us will win, and we will just hate each other, just like communists hate capitalists, and capitalists hate communists

I agree with the last part, but the reason I get so involved with these political debates on here is because I came to this site from Yahoo! Answers Politics section. I am known as one of the more "opinionated" people on there. And I have often shot down Communists, and wannabe Communists. Because I disagree wholeheartedly with Communism in all forms.

[Skittles!]

After reading the first few pages of this thread I'd like to make a statement.



Here in the United States of America we have a little thing called "discrimination". Some posters here may not be aware of this but retarded individuals are people too. Some of you might remember an 80's show, Life Goes On with the lead character "Corky" being mentally challenged. He probably made more money than most in this thread could ever hope of making. You might pause for a moment and consider that they are people, with feelings and emotions. This talk of shipping them off to Siberia away from "normal" people, or keeping them hidden away, out of sight makes me wonder.....who really should be rounded up and done away with?

I think you should, to be honest. More of my brain cells, for one, would be intact still.

[Iliad]

After reading the first few pages of this thread I'd like to make a statement.



Here in the United States of America we have a little thing called "discrimination". Some posters here may not be aware of this but retarded individuals are people too. Some of you might remember an 80's show, Life Goes On with the lead character "Corky" being mentally challenged. He probably made more money than most in this thread could ever hope of making. You might pause for a moment and consider that they are people, with feelings and emotions. This talk of shipping them off to Siberia away from "normal" people, or keeping them hidden away, out of sight makes me wonder.....who really should be rounded up and done away with?

This actually doesn't happen. In Russia retarded people are dealt with just like in the western countries

[-ShadySoul-]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

MTG
its hard to argue about this seeing as we were brought up from different cultures, for each of us it seems like our believes are the right ones. And yes, i used those people to show my point, that maybe the society is not what it looks like, maybe the rules we have, about money and material possesion are not the right ones. Maybe those things dont actually make us happy, and maybe the things that Lenin or Mao could do, would be better for us. Maybe, Maybe not. It is just we are so used to live by th same morals, that we dont want to accept something that does not follow them. And i just dont want us, in the future, to argue over our political views, because neither of us will win, and we will just hate each other, just like communists hate capitalists, and capitalists hate communists

I agree with the last part, but the reason I get so involved with these political debates on here is because I came to this site from Yahoo! Answers Politics section. I am known as one of the more "opinionated" people on there. And I have often shot down Communists, and wannabe Communists. Because I disagree wholeheartedly with Communism in all forms.

and i would like to look at my self as an open minded person, whos view is open to any opinion, and even though i believe in communism, a lot, i dont dismiss all the other political ideas.

[Skittles!]

QFT with you there Shady. Though I am biased with Communism, as I agree with it more than Capitalism, but I live in a Capitalist society, and so must follow with Capitalism. Just like rules, I don't agree with them because I am somewhat Anarchist, but I respect (for want of a better word) because I'm in the society that has rules, and some people want rules, so I must do what a rule-lover does.

Though, I know some governments are no-where near as open-minded as that, because any Anarchist encampment would be put down in one of the Western countries.

[-ShadySoul-]

QFT with you there Shady. Though I am biased with Communism, as I agree with it more than Capitalism, but I live in a Capitalist society, and so must follow with Capitalism. Just like rules, I don't agree with them because I am somewhat Anarchist, but I respect (for want of a better word) because I'm in the society that has rules, and some people want rules, so I must do what a rule-lover does.

Though, I know some governments are no-where near as open-minded as that, because any Anarchist encampment would be put down in one of the Western countries.

i also live in a capitalistic society, thus i cant walk around promoting my view, because a lot of people will get offended, thus i will get even more enemies

[muy_thaiguy]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

MTG
its hard to argue about this seeing as we were brought up from different cultures, for each of us it seems like our believes are the right ones. And yes, i used those people to show my point, that maybe the society is not what it looks like, maybe the rules we have, about money and material possesion are not the right ones. Maybe those things dont actually make us happy, and maybe the things that Lenin or Mao could do, would be better for us. Maybe, Maybe not. It is just we are so used to live by th same morals, that we dont want to accept something that does not follow them. And i just dont want us, in the future, to argue over our political views, because neither of us will win, and we will just hate each other, just like communists hate capitalists, and capitalists hate communists

I agree with the last part, but the reason I get so involved with these political debates on here is because I came to this site from Yahoo! Answers Politics section. I am known as one of the more "opinionated" people on there. And I have often shot down Communists, and wannabe Communists. Because I disagree wholeheartedly with Communism in all forms.

and i would like to look at my self as an open minded person, whos view is open to any opinion, and even though i believe in communism, a lot, i dont dismiss all the other political ideas.

I was open to communism for a short time, then logic and research set in. And it just doesn't work. For example, wasn't Lenin supposed to be one of the few leaders actually on a road to Communism? Then why did he do the exact same things that the Tsars had done? That is, Secret Police. His onlywise descision was saying to not let Stalin be his succesor. And that backfired as much as the Eastern Front did in WWII for Hitler.

I do find it ironic that you believe in Communism so much, yet talk about God almost as much. Even though Marx himself said that "Religion is the oppiate of the masses." Which is one of the main reasons why I despise it.

[-ShadySoul-]

Interesting people to use, considering they were some of the harshest dictators to have ever walked the Earth. Oh, and mister communist, meet me, mr. classical, 1950s type, Roman Catholic conservative, who has opposed Communism since the day I learned about it. And yes, I have studied it.

MTG
its hard to argue about this seeing as we were brought up from different cultures, for each of us it seems like our believes are the right ones. And yes, i used those people to show my point, that maybe the society is not what it looks like, maybe the rules we have, about money and material possesion are not the right ones. Maybe those things dont actually make us happy, and maybe the things that Lenin or Mao could do, would be better for us. Maybe, Maybe not. It is just we are so used to live by th same morals, that we dont want to accept something that does not follow them. And i just dont want us, in the future, to argue over our political views, because neither of us will win, and we will just hate each other, just like communists hate capitalists, and capitalists hate communists

I agree with the last part, but the reason I get so involved with these political debates on here is because I came to this site from Yahoo! Answers Politics section. I am known as one of the more "opinionated" people on there. And I have often shot down Communists, and wannabe Communists. Because I disagree wholeheartedly with Communism in all forms.

and i would like to look at my self as an open minded person, whos view is open to any opinion, and even though i believe in communism, a lot, i dont dismiss all the other political ideas.

I was open to communism for a short time, then logic and research set in. And it just doesn't work. For example, wasn't Lenin supposed to be one of the few leaders actually on a road to Communism? Then why did he do the exact same things that the Tsars had done? That is, Secret Police. His onlywise descision was saying to not let Stalin be his succesor. And that backfired as much as the Eastern Front did in WWII for Hitler.

I do find it ironic that you believe in Communism so much, yet talk about God almost as much. Even though Marx himself said that "Religion is the oppiate of the masses." Which is one of the main reasons why I despise it.

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i believe in religion about as much as that tapeworms are actually good for you. I find religion just another way of controlling people, through some one else's idea. And, when im saying God, i am trying to diss the whole religion point of view ( even though im supposed to be open minded ), maybe that is mot working out too well. I believe in communism because of its general idea, equality. I would rather believe in that then, in capitalism, which is based on money/ material possession

[muy_thaiguy]

Yet Capitalism has proven to work and be beneficial to alot of people, with say, medicine, news, transportation. While the closest thing to an actual Communist society that has ever come up is Socialism, and extreme Socialism at that. And what came of that? How about setting many countries back decades, if not centuries. Communism sounds good and all, but from my point of view, I may as well be Backglass or you with religion, except I'm against a Communist Society in it's entirety. In a perfect world, there might be a chance, but so long as humans inhabit this planet, Communism will never succeed. Especially if I have anything to say about it. I like individualism, not grouping everyone together. I like being religious, it has helped through my life many a time. I like being rewarded for working hard and doing my job right, not getting the same damn thing as everyone else, because I am not everyone else. I have my own dreams, I have my own beliefs, my own standards.


And that is why I oppose Communism with my very soul.

[Skittles!]

That is why evolution and Capitalism inter-mix. The fittest survive.