Muslim/Islam debate

[2dimes]

Have you been to Syria much?

I was working with a Lebenese guy that didn't like it there. I can't remember exactly how he put it but they were too strict was basically my understanding. He is a bit difficult to get along with so I'm not suprised.

I would say most of the people here that are from Lebenon or have Lebenese parents are pretty decent. I've only met a few that are religious.

[Backglass]

Why does everyone think that muslims are blamless? Yes maybe i am a little narrow- minded on this subject but these people are mainly devoid of any human decency. If every muslim lived to the kuran i would`nt have a problem with them but the vast majority are underhand, sly, contradictory, double standard, disrespectful and lazy people you`ll ever have the misfortune to meet. oh not to mention-dirty fuckers. And to the PC brigade i say "get out of ur office and ur affluent suburbs and taste some real life" then say the same, fucking idiots.

Wow, what a sad, bigoted post.

I have traveled this planet enough to come to the realization that people are all the same no matter their country, color, religion or language. There are good people and assholes in every country of the world. The previous post only confirms this.

[b.k. barunt]

Try to ignore billy - it must be very frustrating to have arms skinnier than your girlfriend.

I have studied (not read mind you, but studied) the Quran, and have found it to be a cheap ripoff of Judaism, with a smattering of Christianity thrown in. Before Muhammed, each Arab tribe had a tribal god. Muhammed was a member of the Qurash tribe, and their tribal god was named Allah. There was an image to him in the Kabah as the "god of crops". Muhammed simply elevated his tribal god above the others. To suggest that Allah is the same God that the Hebrews worshipped is beyond absurd - you will find him in the Old Testament, but under the name of Moloch or Chemosh - Canaanite names for the "god of crops", or "fertility god.

The Quran is rife with ridiculous errors also. One that sticks out in my mind is where a story of Gideon is related from the book of Judges in the Old Testament, but Muhammed attributes the story to king Saul (David's predecessor). Not surprising for someone who could neither read nor write - for those of you who don't know, the Quran was written by an anuensis or "ghost writer". Muhammed dictated it. If you look at the history of Muhammed (Will Durant has some excellent material) you will see how the writing of the Quran coincided with Muhammed's wants and needs in his rise to power, culminating in his breaking a truce on a holy day to get rid of his main enemy (Allah told him it was ok).

Muhammed was a fraud and a coward, and i have to be somewhat leery of the mindless fanatics who would follow such a man. Silly me.

[billy07]

could u imagine how good it would feel to put cold steel thru an arabs neck, getting me all excited just thinking about it. f*ck being PC, islam is the devils religion. How else could they be given a place in paradise for killing innocent men women and children.

ur just a waste of time for any1

btw plenty of arabs are not muslims , and even the arab muslims are against the terrorists that go under the name of islam but ofcourse give a bad name for muslims

if u ever try and look further then ur nose i would like u to see the reality of arabs ... which is indeed not terrorism

Terrorism isnt linked with any religion

if they say they r muslims , then they are a bunch of stupid B*tches

read wot i said in relation to muslims living by the kuran. not that i give a f*ck wot u think of me.

[2dimes]

What's the Kabah?

[Napoleon Ier]

Try to ignore billy - it must be very frustrating to have arms skinnier than your girlfriend.

I have studied (not read mind you, but studied) the Quran, and have found it to be a cheap ripoff of Judaism, with a smattering of Christianity thrown in. Before Muhammed, each Arab tribe had a tribal god. Muhammed was a member of the Qurash tribe, and their tribal god was named Allah. There was an image to him in the Kabah as the "god of crops". Muhammed simply elevated his tribal god above the others. To suggest that Allah is the same God that the Hebrews worshipped is beyond absurd - you will find him in the Old Testament, but under the name of Moloch or Chemosh - Canaanite names for the "god of crops", or "fertility god.

The Quran is rife with ridiculous errors also. One that sticks out in my mind is where a story of Gideon is related from the book of Judges in the Old Testament, but Muhammed attributes the story to king Saul ical (David's predecessor). Not surprising for someone who could neither read nor write - for those of you who don't know, the Quran was written by an anuensis or "ghost writer". Muhammed dictated it. If you look at the history of Muhammed (Will Durant has some excellent material) you will see how the writing of the Quran coincided with Muhammed's wants and needs in his rise to power, culminating in his breaking a truce on a holy day to get rid of his main enemy (Allah told him it was ok).

Muhammed was a fraud and a coward, and i have to be somewhat leery of the mindless fanatics who would follow such a man. Silly me.

excellent analysis. I might add Mohammad was a purely political figure intersted in wealth and power.

and again. a f*cking pederast

[unriggable]

Yes. Muslims vote Nazislamist.
Terrified Christians and Jews dont.

Nazi Christians also do - keep in mind Nazism is loosely based that way.

[Napoleon Ier]

Yes. Muslims vote Nazislamist.
Terrified Christians and Jews dont.

Nazi Christians also do - keep in mind Nazism is loosely based that way.

a quote? evidence?

I'm waiting...

[unriggable]

Yes. Muslims vote Nazislamist.
Terrified Christians and Jews dont.

Nazi Christians also do - keep in mind Nazism is loosely based that way.

a quote? evidence?

I'm waiting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

[Napoleon Ier]

You'll notice however the Nazis invented this, not base themselves on it.

I'm still waiting

[2dimes]

I'm waiting to find out what the Kabah is?

[unriggable]

You'll notice however the Nazis invented this, not base themselves on it.

I'm still waiting

The way they used xianity is the same way the Mideast governments use Islam.

And no they did not invent it, they altered the Bible.

[Napoleon Ier]

mid-east governments...all the way back to thefirst one ofthem all -- muhammad's

[DaGip]

Why does everyone think that muslims are blamless? Yes maybe i am a little narrow- minded on this subject but these people are mainly devoid of any human decency. If every muslim lived to the kuran i would`nt have a problem with them but the vast majority are underhand, sly, contradictory, double standard, disrespectful and lazy people you`ll ever have the misfortune to meet. oh not to mention-dirty fuckers. And to the PC brigade i say "get out of ur office and ur affluent suburbs and taste some real life" then say the same, fucking idiots.

If every Muslim lived by the Quran, you would have this:

Quran Surah 8 Ayaat 12--"...Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over their necks, and smite over their fingers and toes."

Who do you think the unbelievers are? According to this Ayaat, we are the unbelievers and every Muslim in the world is commanded by the Quran to smite our necks and cut off our fingers and toes! YIKES!

[unriggable]

mid-east governments...all the way back to thefirst one ofthem all -- muhammad's

Catholic governments...all the way back to the first, Jesus's.

Mid-age europe was way worse than modern mideast is now.

[Napoleon Ier]

mid-east governments...all the way back to thefirst one ofthem all -- muhammad's

Catholic governments...all the way back to the first, Jesus's.

Mid-age europe was way worse than modern mideast is now.

Jesus didn't have a government.

Violence only started in the dark ages, and besides, as I keep saying, we are talking about the actual religions, not the praxis

[unriggable]

mid-east governments...all the way back to thefirst one ofthem all -- muhammad's

Catholic governments...all the way back to the first, Jesus's.

Mid-age europe was way worse than modern mideast is now.

Jesus didn't have a government.

Violence only started in the dark ages, and besides, as I keep saying, we are talking about the actual religions, not the praxis

Your definition of actual religion and perveted religion is so lose that I really can't follow it.

His nation is Arabia, and it doesn't exist anymore. Saudi Arabia has gone through enough revamps to twist his words into awkward laws.

Jesus may not have had a nation, but groups of his cult covered the European continent after he died...basically making the underground his nation. Once they took over it was much worse than the Mideast today, and they were not exactly 100% following Jesus either - show me where in the text there are the seven deadly sins. You can't. That's just shit that was made up along with the catholic campaigns at the time.

[DaGip]

I'm waiting to find out what the Kabah is?

The answer to your question is that the Qaba is the first standing alter dedicated to Allah by Abraham and his first son Ishmael. According to Muslim tradition, Abraham was going to kill Ishmael and not Isaac on the alter, because Ishamael was the true inheritor of Abraham, but Isaac was the son of his beloved wife...think about it? Perhaps the Muslims are right about this story? But, that is besides the point. The altar was resurrected to kill Ishmael on, but God commanded Abraham not to do it, so ALlah gave them a Ram to slaughter on the altar instead. This is what the Qabah is supposed to be. It is the site of the altar of Abraham and Ishmael. And what is inside the Qabah? Well, inside the Qabah was the stone that Gabriel sent to earth to mark the spot of Abraham's and Ishamael's altar...a meteorite! And all the muslims in the world must pray and poop towards this rock...huh? Yes, it is true! Muslims pray towards this meteorite and they all face in the direction of this meteorite while they poop. Did that answer your question?

[Napoleon Ier]

Why are you sobrainwashed by this solascriptura culture?

The Church ontologically reduces sin to these seven categories, follow the reasoning or dont. Just dont gimme shit about it not being in the Bible.

The early Christians did not practise violence, only self defence

Yes religions are used by government, but Islam is already violent : it needs no perverting. Mohamad invented Islam to suit his barbaric government. ipso facto, Islam is violent.

[unriggable]

Why are you sobrainwashed by this solascriptura culture?

The Church ontologically reduces sin to these seven categories, follow the reasoning or dont. Just dont gimme shit about it not being in the Bible.

The early Christians did not practise violence, only self defence

Yes religions are used by government, but Islam is already violent : it needs no perverting. Mohamad invented Islam to suit his barbaric government. ipso facto, Islam is violent.

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not even worth arguing with you.

[Backglass]

If every Muslim lived by the Quran, you would have this:

Quran Surah 8 Ayaat 12--"...Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over their necks, and smite over their fingers and toes."

Who do you think the unbelievers are? According to this Ayaat, we are the unbelievers and every Muslim in the world is commanded by the Quran to smite our necks and cut off our fingers and toes! YIKES!

If every christian lived by the bible, you would have this:

• They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
  
• Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
  
• But if this charge is true and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
  
• If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
  
• Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
  
  

Lovely. And it's the MUSLIMS we are to fear? Yikes!

[2dimes]

Thanks gip. So lets look at this now.

--"...Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over their necks, and smite over their fingers and toes."

Who do you think the unbelievers are? According to this Ayaat, we are the unbelievers and every Muslim in the world is commanded by the Quran to smite our necks and cut off our fingers and toes! YIKES!

Now were talkin'! I'm thinking of converting. Once enough of us move to your regions, yew kristians, jews and athiests are all goin' down!

You a believer in islam Glass? I notice you don't believe in past tense being diferent from present tense.

[DaGip]

If i had a religion, i would probably be islam.

It's easy, all you have to do is say the Shahada (declaration of faith) three times and then take a bath (washing your whole body, including sniffing water up your nose and blowing it out three times). After this, you are considered a Muslim and all your previous sins are totally forgiven! So reverts are at a bit of an advantage to lifers as far as being able to be accepted into Jannah (Paradise). If you want to know the Shahada, here it is:

La Illaha Illa Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah!

If you have ever watched the 13th Warrior, this is what Antonio Banderas writes in the sand for King Olaf, and this is what it means:

There is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.

Now say this three times and go take a bath, then you can pray five times a day, quit eating BBQ Babybacks, start giving Zakhat (Tithe of income that is supposed to go to the needy, like...HAMMAS!) and starve yourself throughout the month of Ramadan.

[unriggable]

If i had a religion, i would probably be islam.

It's easy, all you have to do is say the Shahada (declaration of faith) three times and then take a bath (washing your whole body, including sniffing water up your nose and blowing it out three times). After this, you are considered a Muslim and all your previous sins are totally forgiven! So reverts are at a bit of an advantage to lifers as far as being able to be accepted into Jannah (Paradise). If you want to know the Shahada, here it is:

La Illaha Illa Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah!

If you have ever watched the 13th Warrior, this is what Antonio Banderas writes in the sand for King Olaf, and this is what it means:

There is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.

Now say this three times and go take a bath, then you can pray five times a day, quit eating BBQ Babybacks, start giving Zakhat (Tithe of income that is supposed to go to the needy, like...HAMMAS!) and starve yourself throughout the month of Ramadan.

Better that then circumcision.

[DaGip]

If every Muslim lived by the Quran, you would have this:

Quran Surah 8 Ayaat 12--"...Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over their necks, and smite over their fingers and toes."

Who do you think the unbelievers are? According to this Ayaat, we are the unbelievers and every Muslim in the world is commanded by the Quran to smite our necks and cut off our fingers and toes! YIKES!

If every christian lived by the bible, you would have this:

• They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
  
• Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
  
• But if this charge is true and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
  
• If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
  
• Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
  
  

Lovely. And it's the MUSLIMS we are to fear? Yikes!

Actually it should be the Jews we should fear, that all comes from the TORAH. The Christians believe in the Gospels of Christ where Jesus taught tollerance, forgiveness, and love...don't you remember the girl that was going to be stoned to death and Jesus stepped between her and the mob and commanded them:"...those among you that are without sin may cast the first stone." Nobody threw a stone, because they realized that they all were sinners and no one was innocent...just like that girl.

Now, I am not saying that I am a Christian, but when it comes to teachings...sometimes Jesus (or whoever wrote the Gospels for that matter) didn't do so bad. If you read the New Testament, there are some real good teachings as opposed to the OldTestament. But you know what? If you ever read the Teachings of Buddha (who lived 500 years before Christ) you will find almost exactly the same teachings and sayings, go figure? So what I am saying to you is that you should read all of these books and writings: Old and New testaments, Quran, and Teachings of Buddha...all of which have some positive teachings for all of us to learn from.