Dont you love detentions?

[sam_levi_11]

amercian schol are so one sided its unbeleivable...

And you would know that because you go to one?

I do, and he's totally right by the way.

i know becuase i have a freind who moved to washington state and she says it and i beleive her

[silvanricky]

I'M NOT

A

FUCKING

TEACHER

Thank God

[jnd94]

amercian schol are so one sided its unbeleivable...

And you would know that because you go to one?

I do, and he's totally right by the way.

I do too, and I dont agree with that.

[Napoleon Ier]

Because from where I'm slouching it seemed like a polemic reactionary rant with faint tinges of racism, xenophobia and perhaps a touch of Facism.

Now just hold up a minute. Where do you see that? I certainly dont mean to come across with Racism or fascism

[Guiscard]

Calm friend....

I just get excited easily. Its not a question of not accepting different cultures; rather one of being proud of mine. I reject multiculturalism because it tears away the roots of my country by denying all form of national identity and by removing the moral and cultural fabric of the country. I am French; my children will grow up eating porc, praying to the Virgin Mary and with freedom of speech, Im not insulting other culutres, simply defending mine.

And I reject totalitariaism in the subtle form of multicultrulaism. It seeks to take an indivudual away from his identity, take away what formed him and his nation and create him into a slave subjected to others. I dont reject cultures, unless I have to to defend ours. And to accept neo-socialist collectivism is entirely contrary to my Gaullist principles

vive la France libre

If you find issue with what I say, please, let us debate it calmly. Then we can expand our minds, learn, "and be tolerant of each others ideas", yes?




My best salutations, Un Patriote Gaulois

You do realise that France is renowned for an almost total rejection of multiculturalism? In Britain we ascribe to the ideal of multiculturalism. In France you push for assimilation.

And secondly, I'd like to ask if you know from which part of France your 'cultural' roots come? Because as far as I can see, France is as much populated by disparate and different peoples as they come! I'm a medieval historian, and studying the earlier medieval period, as well as knowledge of the classical period, shows us that every current nation has its roots in the migration and emigration of a vast swathe of cultures. There is no acceptable basis whatsoever, unless perhaps you are a small minority of true 'native' peoples (Basque, perhaps, or Britons in Wales and Cornwall) in any claim of a national identity on racial grounds.

[Guiscard]

Because from where I'm slouching it seemed like a polemic reactionary rant with faint tinges of racism, xenophobia and perhaps a touch of Facism.

Now just hold up a minute. Where do you see that? I certainly dont mean to come across with Racism or fascism

Le Pen for the facism part (I said faint tinge) and the racism part is obvious. All Muslims must be vandals and muggers. Obviously. Couldn't be anything else, could it?

[silvanricky]

Because from where I'm slouching it seemed like a polemic reactionary rant with faint tinges of racism, xenophobia and perhaps a touch of Facism.

And this is the kind of stupid crap my history teacher says to anyone who won't buy into left wing bias. No facts, just accusations of fascism, racism, or any other "ism" they can think of.

[Guiscard]

Its an honour. I take pride in being accused of bigotry. It's a leftist's way of saying he thinks you may actually start persuading people and are an effective campaigner.

as for Guiscard....I dont want to display rude disrespect. But teacher's association? I spit on it. I spit on GCSE, IGCSE, AS, A-2 on the whole damned system.

No shit! It's liberal bullshit like Guiscard's that makes school suck so bad. Leave your personal beliefs at the door. All you conservative retards can also jump off a cliff for all I care. Do your job and teach your subjects and leave your stupid personal opinions at home. I'll decide for myself what I believe in.

And again.

I'm not a bloody teacher, you idiot. Get it into the tiny corner of your already diminished mind not taken up by reactionary bollocks.

[frogger4]

and I thought my school was bad
Actually, since I am at a fairly good public school (not Catholic), it is mostly non-partisan. But, as with anywhere with human beings, there are some who try to pound their beliefs into your head (must vote for Hillary, must vote for Hillary ) Oh well, take what you get

Catholic schools are the decent pivate ones here!

Interesting though. I thought US schools were insanely right-wing. Is this just a regional thing? I suppose a Texan high school would be different to say one in Vermont or whatever?

Depends on the teacher, my area really is pretty split. My biology teacher is very left but my history teacher is very right, it really just depends on the person. oh, I am in colorado, it is very split politically

[Guiscard]

Because from where I'm slouching it seemed like a polemic reactionary rant with faint tinges of racism, xenophobia and perhaps a touch of Facism.

And this is the kind of stupid crap my history teacher says to anyone who won't buy into left wing bias. No facts, just accusations of fascism, racism, or any other "ism" they can think of.

Read the post above yours.

[hecter]

Calm friend....

I just get excited easily. Its not a question of not accepting different cultures; rather one of being proud of mine. I reject multiculturalism because it tears away the roots of my country by denying all form of national identity and by removing the moral and cultural fabric of the country. I am French; my children will grow up eating porc, praying to the Virgin Mary and with freedom of speech, Im not insulting other culutres, simply defending mine.

And I reject totalitariaism in the subtle form of multicultrulaism. It seeks to take an indivudual away from his identity, take away what formed him and his nation and create him into a slave subjected to others. I dont reject cultures, unless I have to to defend ours. And to accept neo-socialist collectivism is entirely contrary to my Gaullist principles

vive la France libre

If you find issue with what I say, please, let us debate it calmly. Then we can expand our minds, learn, "and be tolerant of each others ideas", yes?




My best salutations, Un Patriote Gaulois

Ah, I see. So you're fine with other cultures coming in as long as you don't have to make any sacrifices. A fine example would be a school banning pork because it offends Muslims. It's just that they way you seemed to go about it (ie enjoying being called a bigot...) was a bit... off. As guiscard said, you came off as a xenophobic racist.

Now, I have no problem with you praying to your saints, just don't force us to do it in public schools. I have no problem with you eating pork, just don't wave it in the face of a Muslim. But, it's a two way street. The atheists aren't going to push a kid around because he's praying, and the Muslim is going to over look the fact that you're eating a ham sandwich. I also have no problem with debating in religion or politics in public schools, but there is a difference between debating and preaching. At my school, at least, we're pretty good at not preaching anything, and have actually had some pretty good debates and discussions. About Europe, I wouldn't know...

[silvanricky]

And again.

I'm not a bloody teacher, you idiot. Get it into the tiny corner of your already diminished mind not taken up by reactionary bollocks.

Sorry...you act like you know everything. You don't know how relieved I am to hear that I'll never have to hear you preach in a classroom.

[Guiscard]

Now, I have no problem with you praying to your saints, just don't force us to do it in public schools. I have no problem with you eating pork, just don't wave it in the face of a Muslim. But, it's a two way street. The atheists aren't going to push a kid around because he's praying, and the Muslim is going to over look the fact that you're eating a ham sandwich. I also have no problem with debating in religion or politics in public schools, but there is a difference between debating and preaching. At my school, at least, we're pretty good at not preaching anything, and have actually had some pretty good debates and discussions. About Europe, I wouldn't know...

Thats how it is in Europe.

The French are perhaps the most militantly secular of all, to be honest. No head scarves in schools, for example.

[Napoleon Ier]

Calm friend....

I just get excited easily. Its not a question of not accepting different cultures; rather one of being proud of mine. I reject multiculturalism because it tears away the roots of my country by denying all form of national identity and by removing the moral and cultural fabric of the country. I am French; my children will grow up eating porc, praying to the Virgin Mary and with freedom of speech, Im not insulting other culutres, simply defending mine.

And I reject totalitariaism in the subtle form of multicultrulaism. It seeks to take an indivudual away from his identity, take away what formed him and his nation and create him into a slave subjected to others. I dont reject cultures, unless I have to to defend ours. And to accept neo-socialist collectivism is entirely contrary to my Gaullist principles

vive la France libre

If you find issue with what I say, please, let us debate it calmly. Then we can expand our minds, learn, "and be tolerant of each others ideas", yes?




My best salutations, Un Patriote Gaulois

You do realise that France is renowned for an almost total rejection of multiculturalism? In Britain we ascribe to the ideal of multiculturalism. In France you push for assimilation.

And secondly, I'd like to ask if you know from which part of France your 'cultural' roots come? Because as far as I can see, France is as much populated by disparate and different peoples as they come! I'm a medieval historian, and studying the earlier medieval period, as well as knowledge of the classical period, shows us that every current nation has its roots in the migration and emigration of a vast swathe of cultures. There is no acceptable basis whatsoever, unless perhaps you are a small minority of true 'native' peoples (Basque, perhaps, or Britons in Wales and Cornwall) in any claim of a national identity on racial grounds.

Excellent points well worth my time which I take pleasure responding to, friend.

I realise the differences in the French and British immigration systems.
However, and especially since our Shtroumph national Sharklumsy, the usurper, has seized power, these days are passed.
However, I think the effects of colonisation (which I define as implatation by force or no of allogenous peoples on a territory belonging to a native populace) of previously French territory(direct result of immigrationism since 70s) are more or less a way that multi-culturalism, openly or no, is used in France. Combine that with the radical socialist (they are official PS affiliates) "anri-racist" organisatins, that effectively intellectualy terrorize the people into not voting right of Bayrou, and you have, tacitly if not openly endorsed, multi-culturalism. Besides, the simple truth, regardless of assimilation or integration, is that islamic and islamist (no amalgam here, I seperate the two°, culture is intsalled in France.

[Guiscard]

Sorry...you act like you know everything. You don't know how relieved I am to hear that I'll never have to hear you preach in a classroom.

Why are you so arrogant as to assume my political leanings or philosophical beliefs have any influence whatsoever on my job? Just because you seem to believe you've been hard done by in terms of bias in your education doesn't mean I feel the same. I've had, for the most part, teachers who kept politics out of the classroom. I've had discussions and debates with many of them, left and right wing (I went to catholic school for three years for one), and have no problem with that. I myself am a historian and I teach a few undergrad classes. My subject is medieval history. How and why would I ever feel the need to preach? Even if I were a teacher at a younger age group, I feel that I'd make every effort to be impartial and measured in the way I dealt with issues. I have a lot of respect for Luns on this site. I disagree markedly with the majority of his views, and we've come to blows a fair few times, but I would never consider accusing him of bringing those opinions into the classroom (he's a teacher). Indeed, the way he speaks about his job it seems he does a great job of being impartial.

So, in conclusion, stfu.

[Titanic]

Sorry...you act like you know everything. You don't know how relieved I am to hear that I'll never have to hear you preach in a classroom.

Why are you so arrogant as to assume my political leanings or philosophical beliefs have any influence whatsoever on my job? Just because you seem to believe you've been hard done by in terms of bias in your education doesn't mean I feel the same. I've had, for the most part, teachers who kept politics out of the classroom. I've had discussions and debates with many of them, left and right wing (I went to catholic school for three years for one), and have no problem with that. I myself am a historian and I teach a few undergrad classes. My subject is medieval history. How and why would I ever feel the need to preach? Even if I were a teacher at a younger age group, I feel that I'd make every effort to be impartial and measured in the way I dealt with issues. I have a lot of respect for Luns on this site. I disagree markedly with the majority of his views, and we've come to blows a fair few times, but I would never consider accusing him of bringing those opinions into the classroom (he's a teacher). Indeed, the way he speaks about his job it seems he does a great job of being impartial.

So, in conclusion, stfu.

QFT. I also get along very well with Luns, although we have opposing views on a lot of matters.

[silvanricky]

So, in conclusion, stfu.

Sorry but there's this thing called the First Amendment in our country. Damn shame it gets in the way of things you don't want to hear.

I'll stop though because I wouldn't want to be accused of anti-Guiscardism

[Napoleon Ier]

hectar : No. I agree. No praying in school unless its private. However France has Christian roots and heritage, stretching back centuries. My point is that it must safeguarded. I refuse to see another religion (respect most of them though I do) become biggest in France. When I see a mosque is to be built overshadowing (literally) Notre-Dame de la Garde (a historic Church) in Marseilles, I get angry. Muslims can come and work, great, but this isnt America, founded on immigration (I say this with no venom but with reverence and respect), its France with religious cultural roots.

guiscard--

I am Occitan. Benleu posce parlar la lengha d'Oc?

I believe firmly in a federal french state, with respect for local identities, which together comprise greater Gaul, known now as France. (I am simultaneously debating the same concept with a friend in France, who is vehemently opposed to any breach of national unity). I detest centralisation. `

It is as it says on Napoleon IIIème's tomb: "United, the Gauls can accomplish things with no limit".

We are yes, different peoples, but we answer the call of France "that history does but cease to sculpt into a single metaphysical entity" (the General de Gaulle).

[hecter]

silvanricky, you are a... [portion of original post has been removed] stupid [portion of original post has been removed] bigot. Saying you're a bigot is not a "leftist's way of saying he thinks you may actually start persuading people and are an effective campaigner", but a leftist way of saying that you are an asshole who can't accept cultures other than their own. I say this wholeheartedly. Shut The f*ck Up and Get The f*ck Out. Here's a picture that accurately displays the message I'm trying to get across (mostly because I enjoy posting pictures ):

At least I say it with a smile, eh? Here, have a boob for your departure...

Enjoy you sick bastard.

[Titanic]

hectar : No. I agree. No praying in school unless its private. However France has Christian roots and heritage, stretching back centuries. My point is that it must safeguarded. I refuse to see another religion (respect most of them though I do) become biggest in France. When I see a mosque is to be built overshadowing (literally) Notre-Dame de la Garde (a historic Church) in Marseilles, I get angry. Muslims can come and work, great, but this isnt America, founded on immigration (I say this with no venom but with reverence and respect), its France with religious cultural roots.

guiscard--

I am Occitan. Benleu posce parlar la lengha d'Oc?

I believe firmly in a federal french state, with respect for local identities, which together comprise greater Gaul, known now as France. (I am simultaneously debating the same concept with a friend in France, who is vehemently opposed to any breach of national unity). I detest centralisation. `

It is as it says on Napoleon IIIème's tomb: "United, the Gauls can accomplish things with no limit".

We are yes, different peoples, but we answer the call of France "that history does but cease to sculpt into a single metaphysical entity" (the General de Gaulle).

Well then clearly the Gauls were not united under Napoleon because you were defeated twice in the Napoleonic wars. You were also beaten in the Franco-Prussian war and in WWII.

Also, as to your point about France culture, surely someone born and bred in France has exactly the same right to do whatever they want as anyone else, no matter who their parents are. Any chance you could show the figures of how many Christians there are in France (a figure for those who regularly visit Church and pray, not those who tick the "Christian" box on a census.) In England, I think its less then 5% who visit church regularly, and I cant see it being that much greater in France.

[Guiscard]

I realise the differences in the French and British immigration systems.
However, and especially since our Shtroumph national Sharklumsy, the usurper, has seized power, these days are passed.
However, I think the effects of colonisation (which I define as implatation by force or no of allogenous peoples on a territory belonging to a native populace) of previously French territory(direct result of immigrationism since 70s) are more or less a way that multi-culturalism, openly or no, is used in France. Combine that with the radical socialist (they are official PS affiliates) "anri-racist" organisatins, that effectively intellectualy terrorize the people into not voting right of Bayrou, and you have, tacitly if not openly endorsed, multi-culturalism. Besides, the simple truth, regardless of assimilation or integration, is that islamic and islamist (no amalgam here, I seperate the two°, culture is intsalled in France.

Firstly, I don't understand what you mean by the first paragraph.

Actually, I'm having a hard time understanding at all...

Colonization of previously French territory has led to immigration into France? I don't understand. There has certainly been an influx of migration due to de-colonization... is that what you mean? (In which case the 'imposition of force' thing is bizarre...)

As for multi-culturalism vs assimilation, I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. The French model relies on very much accepting immigrants, but on the grounds that they assimilate into French society, and maintain less of the their native culture (language, for example) than multi-culturalism allows for.

And what is the problem with Islamic culture being 'installed' in France? You fail to address my point as to where your country came from... Where are your roots? Who are those horrendous Christians from Rome who try to install their religious values on our native pagan France? What makes you so sure of the roots of your own culture? Every European nation, indeed France more so than many, is built upon wave after wave if immigration, violent or not, and wave after wave of cultural influence.

You may have a point regarding the left 'intellectually terrorizing' those with differing opinions. In Britain we had a recent court case where the leader of our nationalist party was accused of racial hate. He had called Muslims cockroaches. Some on the left thought he should unquestionably be punished for this, but in the end the case was thrown out because we have freedom of speech. I believe that was the right decision. I don't know so much about the situation in France in this regard, and I don't believe it is even a real threat to freedom of speech, but I must acknowledge the problem exists.

[sam_levi_11]

LOLZ AT HECTER

[Napoleon Ier]

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[Guiscard]

oh dear. you think far less of me than ever before. if you can at all be arsed, please post me why. if not; never mind. I probably ought to sleep now.

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[Napoleon Ier]

the post was addressed to hectar. sorry.

To answer you:
sorry. it made little sense, im too used to debating with like-minded right-wing french people.

I mean France is being colonized by foreign (not evil, I dont say) culutures one can respect but one can see as threats to one's own traditions.

I also referred to our new president; Sarkozy (the usurper, as I call him).

Your comment about French immigration? wrong (understanably).
Thats what is said by the government, but look at the figures: 8% estimate immigrants. Look at the 05 riots, look at the occupation of our suburbs. There are terrible things happening there. look it up.