jay_a2j wrote:Dancing Mustard wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Am I allowed to hold my own views?
Sure you are.
It's the bit where you try to ram them down everybody elses throats that we object to. Or the part where you try to restrict people's right to live in accordance with their views, because you think your own sensibilities are magically more important.
Q: Restricting Christian dogma's encroachment into other people's lives?
A: Tyranny! Where is the respect for my freedom!!!
Q: Preventing other belief systems from being forced into hiding by oppressive Christian-Right inspired legislation?
A: SIN!!!!!
Nobody gives a flying f*ck about you holding your own views Jay my old China; you can do that all day long and we'll never do so much as raise an eyebrow to you.
It's just the illogical pejorative ranting about anybody who isn't a far-right christian being an 'immoral sinner', and the constant attempts to ban other people from holding their views that gets people pissed off with you.
Here, why don't you have another flake of this symbolic bread to chew on while you try and calm yourself down?
Mustard, save it. There is no one forcing morality on anyone (this is impossible). However, there IS forced tolerance. Why must my kids be forced to accept homosexuality as taught in school? Not really forced but brainwashed. Johnnie has two dads or Lisa has two moms. If there is any "forcing" going on, it comes from the other side. You cry "FORCING MORALITY!", and I state "forcing tolerance". "the constant attempts to ban other people from holding their views that gets people pissed off with you.
" Que? Don't make accusations that are blatantly untrue.
Do you and blackglass get together and come up with these sacreligious statements?
The only thing schools teach your kids is that homosexuality exists, and is valid choice open to people to take; they don't present it as better than or worse than any other choice open to them. It's not my fault you want the school to brainwash them with Christian Dogma that calls it a sin.
Which would you rather, all options being presented as neutral possibilities; or a small subset of options being forced on children regardless of their parent's belief? I think the choice is obvious, but you don't appear to have figured it out yet.
I know, I know... you want christianity to be taught in school and only your magically correct sub-set to be promoted. But unfortunately there's lots of other valid sub-sets that are equally good candidates. You just can't demand that an entire country bends over backwards to push your chosen beliefs at every opportunity; that's crazy talk my man.
On the other hand you can quite reasonably ask that schools attempt to present all options as being equally valid and allow children to make an informed choice (that's what I'm arguing for here if you hadn't figured that out). Without some empirical reasons for condeming a belief sub-set as socially harmful then you can't demand it be represented as such. You don't have that empirical reason, so you can't demand people condemn homosexuality when educating children. Just the way that they don't condemn christianity as a belief system. Following me, or is the idea of empirically demonstrating something a bit much for you?
Nobody is trying to force you into not thinking homosexuality is wrong Jay. But we'll resist your frenzied attempts to force everybody else to think that until our dying day.
By the way, have you realised that every time you argue that homosexuality shouldn't be taught as 'acceptable' in schools, that the argument could be equally well applied to Christianity?
And no, me and Backglass don't get together to come up with sacreligious statements. We just apply logic to simple problems, calmly state our case, and let your fevered imagination do the rest.
Right, you stay here and have fun gnashing and wailing about how tolerance is preventing you from indoctrinating children with archaic ideals that have no logical basis, I'm off to the shops.
