Dukasaur wrote:NomadPatriot wrote:GoranZ wrote:NomadPatriot wrote:GoranZ wrote:Holland was world superpower for over a century. US has many decades ahead to achieve the same
yes.. they
were a world superpower..
so was Mongolia..
Thus the same will happen to US, so enjoy your fame while you can... It has expiration date
we may lose superpower status one day.. sure
we might even get invaded..
but if that day does ever come … Americans will die with a weapon in their hand and a snarl in their warcry as they defend the last piece of free dirt they have left.. we will never surrender..
unlike The Netherlands..
so if anybody wants to come on over and poke the Lions.. we are waiting.. anytime
Americans surrendered at the Battle of Camden.
Americans had a disastrous surrender at Bataan and a couple months later at Corregidor.
Americans surrendered Wake Island.
Americans surrendered Fort Dearborn and Fort Detroit, the last to a much smaller force.
No nation goes long without encountering its military disasters. The Netherlands had theirs just like everyone else. The American record thus far is pretty good -- a handful of defeats and a lot of victories - but it isn't perfect. Only a fool thinks he's invincible.
losing a battle vs surrendering an entire country are 2 completely different things.. but ok.. let's dive in..
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Americans surrendered at the Battle of Camden. --> De Kalb, attempting to rally his men, was unhorsed, and would die of his numerous wounds (11 in total; 8 by bayonet and 3 by musket balls) two days later as a British prisoner. After just one hour of combat, the American troops had been utterly defeated, suffering over 2,000 casualties.
- Americans had a disastrous surrender at Bataan --> they Japanese siege starved them out for 4 months & the Americans lost 30% of their body weight then ran out of bullets..
- couple months later at Corregidor --> I will let these paragraphes speak for themselves..." .Life deteriorated into sheer bedlam for the 12,000 military personnel on Corregidor as the enemy’s ceaseless bombardment ate away at the infrastructure that had previously kept life bearable in Malinta Tunnel. The bone-rattling enemy attacks frequently plunged them into total darkness, and corpsmen were routinely called upon to hold flashlights when the hospital operating room lost power during surgery. Drinking water was in short supply, and headquarters was steadily losing communication with every outpost beyond the tunnels. The situation worsened as thousands of Filipino civilians, forced from their homes on the island, sought refuge below ground. “They relieved themselves where they stood,” wrote Colonel John R. Vance, one of Wainwright’s staff. “For food, they were issued canned goods, and the empty and dirty containers were added to the human filth on the pavement.In a physical sense, much of the shelling was overkill, since there was little left to destroy on the island’s surface. But casualties increased among the beach defenders, and the incessant pounding took a heavy toll on morale—including inside the physical safety of the tunnels. “Almost everyone was overwhelmed by the psychosis of doom,” Colonel Vance wrote. Scattered incidents of self-inflicted gunshot wounds and suicides were reported.
No final tally exists of the number of bombs and artillery rounds that struck the Rock, but during this time it was the target of more than 300 full-scale Japanese air raids and hundreds of thousands of heavy artillery rounds—up to 16,000 on a single day. Early on the morning of May 2, at the start of a typical combined enemy air-artillery bombardment, two of Wainwright’s staff officers began counting the number of explosions. They determined that on average, at least a dozen bombs and shells hit the island every minute for five straight hours—a total of 3,600 rounds armed with an estimated 1.8 million pounds of explosives. After that, they stopped counting.”
Americans surrendered Wake Island. --> and we took it back... "The island was held by the Japanese for the duration of the Pacific War theater of World War II; the remaining Japanese garrison on the island surrendered to a detachment of United States Marines on 4 September 1945, after the earlier surrender on 2 September 1945 on the battleship USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay to General Douglas MacArthur"
Surrender of Fort Dearborn --> At 9:00 am on August 15, the garrison—comprising, according to Heald's report, 54 U.S. regulars, 12 militia, nine women and 18 children were ambushed by native americans
surrender at Fort Detroit --> we handled this guy properly " The American commander, General William Hull, an aging hero of the Revolutionary War, had been frightened into handing over Fort Detroit after hardly any fighting had taken place.
He claimed he feared a massacre of women and children by Indians, including Tecumseh, who had been recruited to the British side. But Hull's surrender of 2,500 men and their weapons, including three dozen cannon, was highly controversial.
After being released from captivity by the British in Canada, Hull was put on trial by the U.S. government and sentenced to be shot
