Trump: "non-white people are not real Americans"

[NomadPatriot]

you get owned on your " wasn't even close to being #1 on anyone's list."

so you revert back to your "all Time " quote.
'
we already covered that Michael..
Trump said --> " at least I think, but I’m pretty sure it is"

but obviously you will never give up on peddling this false narrative..

[jonesthecurl]

you get owned on your " wasn't even close to being #1 on anyone's list."

so you revert back to your "all Time " quote.
'
we already covered that Michael..
Trump said --> " at least I think, but I’m pretty sure it is"

but obviously you will never give up on peddling this false narrative..

So he's not a liar, just a bullshitter?

[NomadPatriot]

So he's not a liar, just a bullshitter?

when Someone says they 'Think' something.. that is not a lie nor bullshitting..
it is their opinion. .

if I said "Blue is the #1 color in the world, at least I think so. I am pretty sure it is"

I am not lying nor am I bullshitting.. I am expressing my opinion.

same goes for a little girl who says " my Dog is the best dog in the world. at least I think so , I am pretty sure he is"
she is not lying nor bullshitting. .that is her opinion..

[jonesthecurl]

So he's not a liar, just a bullshitter?

when Someone says they 'Think' something.. that is not a lie nor bullshitting..
it is their opinion. .

if I said "Blue is the #1 color in the world, at least I think so. I am pretty sure it is"

I am not lying nor am I bullshitting.. I am expressing my opinion.

No, but if you say "there are more blue shirts in the world than any other colour ever I think, I'm pretty sure", without checking, without any basis for your statement other than that you'd like it to be true, that IS bullshitting. If he'd said "this is the best business book in the world ever of all time", that would be a matter of opinion, hubris, and ego-boosting. Not bullshit, if he genuinely thought so. But to throw a statistic out (like "Best-selling of all time") without any factual basis is bullshit.

[HitRed]

is "CNN The most trusted name in news"?

[NomadPatriot]

but if you say "there are more blue shirts in the world than any other colour ever I think, I'm pretty sure", without checking, without any basis for your statement other than that you'd like it to be true, that IS bullshitting

that is still the persons opinion... they clearly stated that is what they think.

if their statement was --> ""there are more blue shirts in the world than any other colour ever"", without checking, without any basis for their statement, that would be bullshitting...
but the point is they stated it is what 'THEY THINK'.. THEIR OPINION.. THEY ARE NOT STATING IT IS A FACT.. THEY ARE STATING THEIR … OPINION. .


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If he'd said "this is the best business book in the world ever of all time", that would be a matter of opinion, hubris, and ego-boosting. Not bullshit

so you think there is a difference between saying 'the #1 selling book ' & ' the best selling book"...?

saying "#1 selling book" is bullshit....
saying 'best selling book " is not bullshit..

I just want to see how you differentiate between " #1 selling of all time" & " Best Selling of all time "..

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'BEST SELLING ' & '#1 SELLING'...?

[mookiemcgee]

As much fun as this is,we are talking about one of Trump's less important lies.

How about the lie Trump told about directing his laywer McGahn to fire Robert Mueller? And then asking his Lawyer to lie under oath?

Trump told the American people via ABC interview

I never suggested firing Mueller

Here's a link with a video - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-donald-trump-doesnt-matter-white-house-counsel/story?id=63697487

McGahn told Mueller, under penalty of perjury over 30 hours of interviews, that Trump and/or 'Trump's staff at the direction of Trump' told him to fire Mueller. Since you can't be bothered to read the Mueller report, just go to Section II pages 113-114 where it is all very clearly laid out. (That's pages 325-326 via this link which contains both Sections)- https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955118-The-Mueller-Report.html)

You wanted evidence, but I can't force you to read the evidence. I can only make it as easy as humanly possible for you. If you'd rather not, and just come back with more empty words I'm going to consider this conversation over.

It's a pretty outrageous situation. Your boss tells you to do something stupid and unethical. You refuse, but offer to resign. Your boss tells you to lie under oath about it, but knowing you could go to jail if you lie, you instead tell the truth. Your boss goes on TV and instead lies to everyone, by saying what you said under oath was a lie.

[jonesthecurl]

but if you say "there are more blue shirts in the world than any other colour ever I think, I'm pretty sure", without checking, without any basis for your statement other than that you'd like it to be true, that IS bullshitting

that is still the persons opinion... they clearly stated that is what they think.

if their statement was --> ""there are more blue shirts in the world than any other colour ever"", without checking, without any basis for their statement, that would be bullshitting...
but the point is they stated it is what 'THEY THINK'.. THEIR OPINION.. THEY ARE NOT STATING IT IS A FACT.. THEY ARE STATING THEIR … OPINION. .


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If he'd said "this is the best business book in the world ever of all time", that would be a matter of opinion, hubris, and ego-boosting. Not bullshit

so you think there is a difference between saying 'the #1 selling book ' & ' the best selling book"...?

saying "#1 selling book" is bullshit....
saying 'best selling book " is not bullshit..

I just want to see how you differentiate between " #1 selling of all time" & " Best Selling of all time "..

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'BEST SELLING ' & '#1 SELLING'...?

"best". Not "best-selling". That would be an opinion (vain, questionable, vapid though it would be).

[Bernie Sanders]

Yea, but the Trump University was a great place to learn how to be successful. Just ask those who enrolled there.

[NomadPatriot]

best". Not "best-selling". That would be an opinion

oh so..
if someone says " my Book is the best book of all-time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." that would be their opinion

but if they said " my book is the best-selling book of all time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." ." .. that is not their opinion.. that is bullshit.

I completely can see the difference..

[Symmetry]

This got to 3 pages?

[Dukasaur]

best". Not "best-selling". That would be an opinion

oh so..
if someone says " my Book is the best book of all-time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." that would be their opinion

but if they said " my book is the best-selling book of all time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." ." .. that is not their opinion.. that is bullshit.

I completely can see the difference..

Exactly. "Best" is a value judgement. It's possible to have opinions about those which can not be disproven.

"Best-selling" is a mathematical statement. Either it sold more than any other, or it didn't. Opinions don't enter into it.

[Symmetry]

best". Not "best-selling". That would be an opinion

oh so..
if someone says " my Book is the best book of all-time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." that would be their opinion

but if they said " my book is the best-selling book of all time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." ." .. that is not their opinion.. that is bullshit.

I completely can see the difference..

Exactly. "Best" is a value judgement. It's possible to have opinions about those which can not be disproven.

"Best-selling" is a mathematical statement. Either it sold more than any other, or it didn't. Opinions don't enter into it.

Not really. Opinions obviously factor in to book sales, and in to the ways that books are promoted. I think you're wrong on this.

[Symmetry]

To get back on topic though- why do people seem to deflect when it comes to Trump's racism?

[NomadPatriot]

Exactly. "Best" is a value judgement. It's possible to have opinions about those which can not be disproven."Best-selling" is a mathematical statement. Either it sold more than any other, or it didn't. Opinions don't enter into it.

oh..
so "best" is a "VALUE" judgement ( VALUE has nothing to do with ,...MATH...)

"Best-selling" IS A MATH judgement, is not a VALUE judgement and can never be an opinion...

let's put "I think" at the beginning..
if trump said.. " I think it is the #1 best selling business book of all time.. , at least I am pretty sure it is"..

that wouldn't be an opinion..
by your standards..
correct?

[Dukasaur]

Exactly. "Best" is a value judgement. It's possible to have opinions about those which can not be disproven."Best-selling" is a mathematical statement. Either it sold more than any other, or it didn't. Opinions don't enter into it.

oh..
so "best" is a "VALUE" judgement ( VALUE has nothing to do with ,...MATH...)

"Best-selling" IS A MATH judgement, is not a VALUE judgement and can never be an opinion...

let's put "I think" at the beginning..
if trump said.. " I think it is the #1 best selling business book of all time.. , at least I am pretty sure it is"..

that wouldn't be an opinion..
by your standards..
correct?

Putting "I think" in front of something is in most cases a redundancy and changes nothing.

If you're making a judgement it is to some degree a matter of opinion, and although there's better opinions and worse opinions, they're pretty difficult to rebut.

If you're making a claim about a mathematical fact, it is rebuttable. If you say, "2+2=7" you're wrong. Saying "it's just my opinion, man" doesn't change anything. It's still wrong.

[NomadPatriot]

If you're making a claim about a mathematical fact, it is rebuttable. If you say, "2+2=7" you're wrong. Saying "it's just my opinion, man" doesn't change anything. It's still wrong.

trump didn't say any mathematical facts.. he said " it's the #1 selling business book , I think.. "
at the time he said that . he was pretty sure his book was the #1 selling business book.. that is what he thought. that is what he said Duk…

he didn't say it is the #1 selling book.. and just leave it at that.. his opinion was that it was the #1 selling book .. probably from the information he had.. it might have been wrong info.. but in his opinion .. it was the #1 selling book

so if someone says " 2+2=7.. I THINK, I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS "..
ARE THEY LYING OR BULLSHITTING.. ?

NO. THEY ARE WRONG ABOUT THE SUM OF THAT PARTICULAR MATH EQUATION.. .. BUT THEY ARE NOT LYING .. NOR ARE THEY BULLSHITTING..

let's try a different math equation:
" THE SQUARE ROOT OF 456,876,987,008,234,7655,876.99878654576534565 IS 4.. I THINK.. I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS"

1) am I lying or bullshitting.. or am I just wrong...?

2) when I say " I think".. is that my opinion on the sum total..?


opinion.
NOUN
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

[Dukasaur]

best". Not "best-selling". That would be an opinion

oh so..
if someone says " my Book is the best book of all-time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." that would be their opinion

but if they said " my book is the best-selling book of all time, at least I think so, I am pretty sure it is..." ." .. that is not their opinion.. that is bullshit.

I completely can see the difference..

Exactly. "Best" is a value judgement. It's possible to have opinions about those which can not be disproven.

"Best-selling" is a mathematical statement. Either it sold more than any other, or it didn't. Opinions don't enter into it.

Not really. Opinions obviously factor in to book sales, and in to the ways that books are promoted. I think you're wrong on this.

Seeing you rushing in to defend Nomad is pretty funny. I didn't think he was your type.

In any case, I'm not taking the bait. It's a pretty obvious trolling attempt.

[NomadPatriot]

In the opinion of the author"?

"I would avoid "I think" because it is a weak expression. It allows the reader to disregard your ideas completely. "In my opinion" is slightly better if you have sufficient credibility in the subject that your opinion matters.

All of these expressions tell the reader "I might be wrong, but here is my idea."."


https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/47298/i-think-or-in-my-opinion-or-from-my-point-of-view

[Dukasaur]

If you're making a claim about a mathematical fact, it is rebuttable. If you say, "2+2=7" you're wrong. Saying "it's just my opinion, man" doesn't change anything. It's still wrong.

trump didn't say any mathematical facts.. he said " it's the #1 selling business book , I think.. "
at the time he said that . he was pretty sure his book was the #1 selling business book.. that is what he thought. that is what he said Duk…

he didn't say it is the #1 selling book.. and just leave it at that.. his opinion was that it was the #1 selling book .. probably from the information he had.. it might have been wrong info.. but in his opinion .. it was the #1 selling book

so if someone says " 2+2=7.. I THINK, I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS "..
ARE THEY LYING OR BULLSHITTING.. ?

NO. THEY ARE WRONG ABOUT THE SUM OF THAT PARTICULAR MATH EQUATION.. .. BUT THEY ARE NOT LYING .. NOR ARE THEY BULLSHITTING..

let's try a different math equation:
" THE SQUARE ROOT OF 456,876,987,008,234,7655,876.99878654576534565 IS 4.. I THINK.. I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS"

1) am I lying or bullshitting.. or am I just wrong...?

2) when I say " I think".. is that my opinion on the sum total..?


opinion.
NOUN
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

If you don't have good data available and you're taking a wild guess, it can be very wrong but it's not a lie. If you don't know how to extract square roots, it's reasonable that you might make a wild guess and be very wrong without intentionally lying.

It isn't plausible, however, to think that Trump didn't have access to good data. I'm pretty confident that he would have demanded regular progress reports from the publisher about how well his book was doing. Slice it with Occam's Razor, and you find that it's much more likely that he knew it was a false claim and was deliberately misleading people, than to think that he was ignorant of the sales figures.

[NomadPatriot]

holy sh!t!!!
Sym scared off Duk..

[NomadPatriot]

If you don't have good data available and you're taking a wild guess, it can be very wrong but it's not a lie. If you don't know how to extract square roots, it's reasonable that you might make a wild guess and be very wrong without intentionally lying.It isn't plausible, however, to think that Trump didn't have access to good data. I'm pretty confident that he would have demanded regular progress reports from the publisher about how well his book was doing. Slice it with Occam's Razor, and you find that it's much more likely that he knew it was a false claim and was deliberately misleading people, than to think that he was ignorant of the sales figures.

so..
it's okay for you to .. ASSUME things about Trump's book sales..
but
not okay for Trump to.. ASSUME things about his book sales...?

you can say " I am pretty Confident"..
but trump cannot say " I am pretty sure"....

oh.. ok.. gotcha

[Symmetry]

The man is a racist. He talks racist. he acts racist, what else do we need at this point? Goosestepping?

[NomadPatriot]

calling someone a racist in 2019 is equivalent to calling someone a Nerd in 1986,,..

the guy at my post office said trump was racist because Somalian is a Race.. not a Nationality..

I give 2 sh!ts about being called a racist.. I know I am not.. Trump is the same way..

society has overplayed the Racist card.. AOC claims Pelosi & Biden are Racists..

it means nothing.. might as well call Trump.. a NERD

[mrswdk]

Crowds chant 'send her back' as Trump renews attack on Ilhan Omar

Raucous crowds chanted "Send her back!" as US President Donald Trump stepped up attacks against four Democratic Congresswomen of colour, including Somali-born Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, at his first campaign rally since announcing his 2020 re-election bid.

"Tonight I have a suggestion for the hate-filled extremists who are constantly trying to tear our country down. They never have anything good to say. That's why I say: 'Hey, if they don't like it, let them leave. Let them leave'," he said to a roaring crowd.

The US president had tweeted over the weekend that the four representatives - who also include Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts - should "go back" to where they came from, even though all are US citizens and three are US-born.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/ ... 34426.html