Real Patriots stand for the Flag!

[armati]

America is so exceptional that it can torture people in total violation of both US law and international law. The government in Washington can, on suspicion alone without presentation to a court of evidence and conviction, confine US citizens indefinitely, torturing them the entire time, and can assassinate them at will without due process of law. This is the definition of a total police state tyranny. Yet Washington represents America as a “great democracy,” whose endless wars against humanity are “bringing democracy to the world.”

America is so exceptional that it can bomb other countries indiscriminately without officially being at war with those countries.

America is so exceptional that the separation of powers prescribed in the American Constitution can be totally ignored by the executive branch as, the Neoconservatives claim, the President has “unique powers” not limited by the Constitution, which, of course, is just another lie.

Stand with hand over heart and your a patriot, kneel and your treasonous.
The U.S. killed 500 thousand children in Iraq alone, Albright and Clinton both said "It was worth it"
A Christian nation the world is supposed to look up to?
They break their "deals" their word is plain ol no good.
A Christian nation the world is supposed to respect.

And the Christians continue to vote for their Christian government.

Be proud, stand for that anthem.

[KoolBak]

I'm not christian.

I stand.

Nice rant

[Bernie Sanders]

America is so exceptional that it can torture people in total violation of both US law and international law. The government in Washington can, on suspicion alone without presentation to a court of evidence and conviction, confine US citizens indefinitely, torturing them the entire time, and can assassinate them at will without due process of law. This is the definition of a total police state tyranny. Yet Washington represents America as a “great democracy,” whose endless wars against humanity are “bringing democracy to the world.”

America is so exceptional that it can bomb other countries indiscriminately without officially being at war with those countries.

America is so exceptional that the separation of powers prescribed in the American Constitution can be totally ignored by the executive branch as, the Neoconservatives claim, the President has “unique powers” not limited by the Constitution, which, of course, is just another lie.

Stand with hand over heart and your a patriot, kneel and your treasonous.
The U.S. killed 500 thousand children in Iraq alone, Albright and Clinton both said "It was worth it"
A Christian nation the world is supposed to look up to?
They break their "deals" their word is plain ol no good.
A Christian nation the world is supposed to respect.

And the Christians continue to vote for their Christian government.

Be proud, stand for that anthem.

I'm no Christian and your posts are filled with untruths.

"The U.S. killed 500 thousand children in Iraq alone, Albright and Clinton both said "It was worth it" Did they really said that killing 500 thousand children was worth it? Where do you get your facts from? I assume the Russian media? You fukn treasonous piece of sh!t

[riskllama]

settle down, fake bern : it appears he's already fled to Canada.

[Bernie Sanders]

settle down, fake bern : it appears he's already fled to Canada.

We are waiting for you to flee to Canada too.

[2dimes]

settle down, fake bern : it appears he's already fled to Canada.

We are waiting for you to flee to Canada too.

QFL.

[patches70]

"The U.S. killed 500 thousand children in Iraq alone, Albright and Clinton both said "It was worth it" Did they really said that killing 500 thousand children was worth it? Where do you get your facts from? I assume the Russian media? You fukn treasonous piece of sh!t

WTF Bern? You been under a rock since being born? Here ya go-




When she says "we think the price is worth it" she is speaking for the USG proper.
So yeah, not Russian propaganda, it's the Sec of State's own words, her own belief.

Then there is the infamous Hillary Clinton interview where she is giddy about the killing of Qadaffi, "We came, we saw, he died". Look at Libya now, it's a hellhole, a shadow of it's former relatively prosperous state where women went to school (free education for all Libyan citizens BTW), free health care, free to practice one's own religion. Political power was restricted, which apparently was enough for the US to declare him the "bad guy". Today Libya is murdering itself, schools destroyed, the only medical care one can count on is a shallow grave at best. Radical Jihadists run amok killing each other and Libyan citizens.

It's a disaster, but no one talks about it anymore. Just ignore the results and you can pretend everything is hunky dory and your favorite progressive scumbags are all "good guys". A few more good guys like these people and we're all gonna be fucked good and proper without the benefit vaseline.

You Bern, are either a really bad troll or a mind fucked true believer where logic, critical thinking and objective judging skills are non existent. You are also incredibly ignorant about world events and history.

[Bernie Sanders]

"The U.S. killed 500 thousand children in Iraq alone, Albright and Clinton both said "It was worth it" Did they really said that killing 500 thousand children was worth it? Where do you get your facts from? I assume the Russian media? You fukn treasonous piece of sh!t

WTF Bern? You been under a rock since being born? Here ya go-




When she says "we think the price is worth it" she is speaking for the USG proper.
So yeah, not Russian propaganda, it's the Sec of State's own words, her own belief.

Then there is the infamous Hillary Clinton interview where she is giddy about the killing of Qadaffi, "We came, we saw, he died". Look at Libya now, it's a hellhole, a shadow of it's former relatively prosperous state where women went to school (free education for all Libyan citizens BTW), free health care, free to practice one's own religion. Political power was restricted, which apparently was enough for the US to declare him the "bad guy". Today Libya is murdering itself, schools destroyed, the only medical care one can count on is a shallow grave at best. Radical Jihadists run amok killing each other and Libyan citizens.

It's a disaster, but no one talks about it anymore. Just ignore the results and you can pretend everything is hunky dory and your favorite progressive scumbags are all "good guys". A few more good guys like these people and we're all gonna be fucked good and proper without the benefit vaseline.

You Bern, are either a really bad troll or a mind fucked true believer where logic, critical thinking and objective judging skills are non existent. You are also incredibly ignorant about world events and history.

Stupid idiot, Libya ain't Irag.

Tell us more how we were dancing in the streets about how we murdered 500 thousand children. Remember Vietnam ain't Iraq.

[armati]

@patches70
Good post, I kinda think its well known that most people are ignorant as to whats happening in the world, their own country etc.
Americans, due to the controlled media are pretty much known to be the least informed peoples.

Not knowing events (or truth) is why discovering the truth is always a shock.
A great example was the american led german tours thru concentration camps at the end of ww2.
People were in absolute shock.
Its normal for people to not have a clue.

The really scary thing to people that are informed right now, is the americans have the world on a knife edge to ww3.

The american people? not a clue.

Being fair, that pretty much goes for most people in the west tho.

[armati]

Hey Bernie, how many years you and yours serve?.
My family began their service in 1914, thats the first war,thru the 2nd,Korea and Vietnam, I was the last to serve ending in the late 70s.

Just asking as you figuring Im treasonous, maybe reread the constitution.

@risklama, i did not flee the states, only my brother served and lives there.
I live in Canada, for most of my life we didnt need passports, I used to go back and forth to the states often.
I stopped going to the states the moment I realized the were a fascist state.

[riskllama]

Hey Bernie, how many years you and yours serve?.
My family began their service in 1914, thats the first war,thru the 2nd,Korea and Vietnam, I was the last to serve ending in the late 70s.

Just asking as you figuring Im treasonous, maybe reread the constitution.

@risklama, i did not flee the states, only my brother served and lives there.
I live in Canada, for most of my life we didnt need passports, I used to go back and forth to the states often.
I stopped going to the states the moment I realized the were a fascist state.

was aware, just messin' w/fake bern...

[karel]

thank god trump is a true patriot

[jonesthecurl]

For which country?

[Woodruff]

When you join the military, you are no longer a citizen, you have lost many of your rights. The government owns your ass.

Yes...and no.

If the army players took a knee, they would receive a dishonourable discharge. They have no right to protest.

This is just flat-out false. I never lost my right to protest. What I DID "lose" was the right to protest IN UNIFORM. Now, whether the football
uniform constitutes the same situation or not from the Army's perspective, I don't know. But I doubt we'll ever find out, because the idea
of someone at one of the Academies doing something like this is almost unthinkable (from their perspective).

[Woodruff]

People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons.

This is correct. However, when the President of the United States, in the highest position of our Federal Government, suggests that those players should be fired, I think it's reasonable to be concerned about his advocating for such an action, given his position.

[patches70]

People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons.

This is correct. However, when the President of the United States, in the highest position of our Federal Government, suggests that those players should be fired, I think it's reasonable to be concerned about his advocating for such an action, given his position.

So? He can say what the f*ck ever he wants, the owners don't have to listen to him. They are under no legal or moral obligation to oblige Trump. People just gotta "be concerned" about dumb shit all the time.


I'll tell ya when it's time to be concerned. When Trump writes and executive order, or Congress passes a law which states that anyone who doesn't stand for the National Anthem will be fined and/or jailed and the SCOTUS upholds said law/executive order, then yeah, it'll be time to be "concerned".

Until then one can simply ignore the ravings of the Trump's and the chicken little's running around blabbering "OMG my Free Speech is under assault!"

No, it isn't. So far it's all been free speech, from the NFL players, to the fans who boo them, to the calls for the offending players being benched or fired, to the morons who call the NFL players "heroic". It's all free speech. Every bit of it.

It's also moronic. And if you are "concerned", Woodruff, then you sir must also be afraid of the monsters in your closet and the monsters under your bed. If that's all it takes to "concern" you, then you must be a sniveling mass of nerves by now that jumps at his own shadow.

The best thing, the wisest thing, the NFL and the players could have done, what they should have done, was completely ignore Trump. The smartest, wisest thing the antiTrumper's could have/should have done, was to completely ignore Trump. That above anything else would bug Trump the most. It would also be the smartest thing to do because it's a no win situation for the antiTrumpers. To show disapproval for Trump you'd have to appear to show disapproval to the Country and the Flag and all the connotes. This has been pure Trump gold.

Good job morons. You've helped Trump. Give yourselves a big pat on the back for being useful idiots.

Next time, don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff instead.

[mrswdk]

It's not contradictory for the President to call for an employer to punish its employees for exercising their constitutional rights?

[patches70]

It's not contradictory for the President to call for an employer to punish its employees for exercising their constitutional rights?

Of course not. You don't remember Obama and Hillary calling out the "disgusting" video posted on youtube that supposedly cause the Benghazi attack? Weren't they attacking that fellow's right of Free Speech? They were doing it for reasons that had nothing to do with Free Speech, they just used that idiot as a scapegoat.
Trump isn't attacking anyone's Free Speech, it's a political move meant to make his critics dance to a tune they shouldn't be dancing to. Trump made anyone who is attacking him for stating his opinion look like they completely agree that the flag, the nation, veterans should be disrespected.
It's all optics and the antiTrumper's so lost in their utter hatred for Trump fell for it hook line and sinker.

Trump is not looking to, nor would he be able to (even if he wanted to) be able to take away anyone's right to Free Speech. The NFL players look like morons kneeling for the anthem. People who scream "They should kneel for the anthem!" look like anti American tools whether or not they hate or love America internally. People who scream "Trump is attacking our Free Speech" look like completely unhinged conspiracy nuts who think Trump is literally Hitler, which is ridiculous.

Trump comes out of it as the guy who is standing up for the American Flag and all is symbolizes and those who attack him appear opposite of that whether that is their intention or not.


Optics baby, perceptions are more important than reality in politics. Trump got himself an easy win because people are too quick to get "concerned" over bullshit.

[Dukasaur]

Trump comes out of it as the guy who is standing up for the American Flag and all is symbolizes and those who attack him appear opposite of that whether that is their intention or not.


Optics baby, perceptions are more important than reality in politics. Trump got himself an easy win because people are too quick to get "concerned" over bullshit.

This. I wish people weren't so easy to bait.

[Thorthoth]

Trump comes out of it as the guy who is standing up for the American Flag and all is symbolizes and those who attack him appear opposite of that whether that is their intention or not.


Optics baby, perceptions are more important than reality in politics. Trump got himself an easy win because people are too quick to get "concerned" over bullshit.

This. I wish people weren't so easy to bait.

Keep dismissing other's concerns and values as 'bullshit'.
keep trying to redefine the U.S.A. into being something it never was.
Keep it up, 'Hillary'.

[armati]

speaking of americans as easy to manipulate.
A Ron Paul comment

Unfortunately the American people are being neoconned into another war. Just as with the disastrous 2003 US attack on Iraq, the media builds up the fear and does the bidding of the warmongers without checking facts or applying the necessary skepticism to neocon claims.

Like most Americans, I do not endorse Iran’s style of government. I prefer religion and the state to be separate and even though our liberties have been under attack by our government, I prefer our much freer system in the US. But I wonder how many Americans know that Iran has not attacked or “regime-changed” another country in its modern history. Iran’s actions in Syria are at the invitation of the legitimate Syrian government. And why won’t President Trump tell us the truth about Iranian troops in Syria – that they are fighting ISIS and al-Qaeda, both of which are Sunni extremist groups that are Iran’s (and our) mortal enemies?

How many Americans know that Iran is one of the few countries in the region that actually holds elections that are contested by candidates with very different philosophies? Do any Americans wonder why the Saudis are considered one of our greatest allies in the Middle East even though they hold no elections and have one of the world’s worst human rights records?

Let’s be clear here: President Trump did not just announce that he was “de-certifying” Iran’s compliance with the nuclear deal. He announced that Iran was from now on going to be in the bullseye of the US military. Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another Middle East war?

For anyone unsure as to where I got this, wanna confirm, its from Ron Paul.
If you dont know who he is, look it up you un informed.........person.

[Thorthoth]

Too bad history exists. Otherwise, somebody might believe Armati...

[Dukasaur]

Too bad history exists. Otherwise, somebody might believe Armati...

28 years later, Salman Rushdie is alive and well.

This is not to say that ordering his death wasn't an evil act. It is to say that it's a manageable evil. If our default response to every evil is to start a war and kill half a million people, we'll end up doing a lot more harm that what we're allegedly trying to stop.

The recent history of regime change in Iraq, Syria, and Libya speaks loud and clear. Outraged by some dictator who has murdered a few thousand of his people, we attack and murder a few hundred thousand instead. Ponder the logic in that, and if you're not absolutely flabbergasted then you haven't pondered it long enough.

[Dukasaur]

speaking of americans as easy to manipulate.
A Ron Paul comment

Unfortunately the American people are being neoconned into another war. Just as with the disastrous 2003 US attack on Iraq, the media builds up the fear and does the bidding of the warmongers without checking facts or applying the necessary skepticism to neocon claims.

Like most Americans, I do not endorse Iran’s style of government. I prefer religion and the state to be separate and even though our liberties have been under attack by our government, I prefer our much freer system in the US. But I wonder how many Americans know that Iran has not attacked or “regime-changed” another country in its modern history. Iran’s actions in Syria are at the invitation of the legitimate Syrian government. And why won’t President Trump tell us the truth about Iranian troops in Syria – that they are fighting ISIS and al-Qaeda, both of which are Sunni extremist groups that are Iran’s (and our) mortal enemies?

How many Americans know that Iran is one of the few countries in the region that actually holds elections that are contested by candidates with very different philosophies? Do any Americans wonder why the Saudis are considered one of our greatest allies in the Middle East even though they hold no elections and have one of the world’s worst human rights records?

Let’s be clear here: President Trump did not just announce that he was “de-certifying” Iran’s compliance with the nuclear deal. He announced that Iran was from now on going to be in the bullseye of the US military. Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another Middle East war?

For anyone unsure as to where I got this, wanna confirm, its from Ron Paul.
If you dont know who he is, look it up you un informed.........person.

While I agree with your point, I don't agree with your slovenly formatting.

If you're quoting Ron Paul, why not use the quote function and do it properly?

Unfortunately the American people are being neoconned into another war. Just as with the disastrous 2003 US attack on Iraq, the media builds up the fear and does the bidding of the warmongers without checking facts or applying the necessary skepticism to neocon claims.

Like most Americans, I do not endorse Iran’s style of government. I prefer religion and the state to be separate and even though our liberties have been under attack by our government, I prefer our much freer system in the US. But I wonder how many Americans know that Iran has not attacked or “regime-changed” another country in its modern history. Iran’s actions in Syria are at the invitation of the legitimate Syrian government. And why won’t President Trump tell us the truth about Iranian troops in Syria – that they are fighting ISIS and al-Qaeda, both of which are Sunni extremist groups that are Iran’s (and our) mortal enemies?

How many Americans know that Iran is one of the few countries in the region that actually holds elections that are contested by candidates with very different philosophies? Do any Americans wonder why the Saudis are considered one of our greatest allies in the Middle East even though they hold no elections and have one of the world’s worst human rights records?

Let’s be clear here: President Trump did not just announce that he was “de-certifying” Iran’s compliance with the nuclear deal. He announced that Iran was from now on going to be in the bullseye of the US military. Will Americans allow themselves to be lied into another Middle East war?

Doesn't that look a lot better?

In the forums, just like in real life, you'll find people are much more likely to pay attention to you if you take the time to make your presentation look neat and tidy.

[mrswdk]

Why is it that a country has to have the same form of government before it’s acceptable for Americans to call them a partner or ally?

Other than preachy American politicians and their shills in Europe, most governments and peoples are perfectly capable of working cooperatively with other nations that have very different systems and values to their own.

”We are an open and tolerant society that will repeatedly condemn and coerce you unless you conform to our values. Woo, freedom!”