RIP Chester Bennington

[DirtyDishSoap]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Let's use a programming analogy, because that's what the human mind essentialy is; a set of in-born base code(DNA) added with learned code-lines(experiences). In the computational sense Chester Bennington made a choice, an end result to the program, an output to said input. A line of thought for which yes he made a conscious choice to leave behind children scarred by trauma, however. Trauma's, mental illness and substance abuse are known to alter or push the code lines in a detrimental direction. It is therefor unfair to just call him out as a bad person. How much of a choice can you really attribute him when his code has been basically tampered with? It is very hard to imagine without experiencing similar circumstances.

Amazing analogy for the mind, however, disagree with how we "write our code". Everyone has an upbringing. Some people luck out and have shitty parents that do drugs constantly, drink, beat, sexually abuse them. Some kids have amazing parents and turn out all right. Some people have those same situations, amazing parents or not, and turn out to be pieces of shit, or vice versa. It's again, a huge variable and everyone will have a different reaction to it and use those same experiences you're talking about to either uplift themselves, or use it as an excuse or basically just let it control them.
Again, it's a large variable, one of which, no one in the world can go into excruciating detail to predict every single little detail that could affect their lives.
This is something we can't analyze with neither science or analogies or whatever method you choose to use. It's simply too large.

Take myself for example with substance abuse and going to AA for two years of my life. I've met people with some amazing hardships, addictions, upbringings and some traumatizing events, stuff that would probably make Chesters life look like a walk in the park. Yet these same people are doing fine and dandy. If you haven't been to an AA group, and if you're interested in hearing peoples stories and what some folks have gone through in their day to day lives, I'd recommend it. Eye opening.

As for the depression and it being a mental illness, I have a hard to accepting that. Depression/sadness or whatever you want to call it, people go through this phase at some point in their life, if not multiple times. It still does not defeat the fact that they let it win, and they end up killing themselves, without even a forethought of how it affects their loved ones, not one damn bit.

So if I have to sympathize with ANYONE, it's the people hurt because of one selfish action. No, I don't view Chester as some "hero", nor am I saddened by his loss. I'm angry at him for being weak. Angry at him for leaving his six kids without a dad. Angry that he's leaving his wife to "pick up the pieces".
It's a fucked up thing to do.

Edit - Maybe it's just me, but it's no better than these dead beat's who take 0 responsibility for their actions, and just up and leave their kids and families. Some of the arguments I'm reading is basically saying "You can't judge him for making the choice of ending his own life". The thing is, yes, I fuckin can. The same way I judge these losers that up and leave their families. And I'm sure there will be some argument saying that it's not the same thing, so allow me to retort before it beings.
"It's okay, Billy, you can take a break from being a father and husband, here's a gun." whereas "Hey! You chose to live AND leave your family?! Piece of shit!"

[Symmetry]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

[Dukasaur]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

I presume you mean snarky.

So, you're calling him a snark? The snark, as is generally known, is a boojoom.

[Symmetry]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

I presume you mean snarky.

So, you're calling him a snark? The snark, as is generally known, is a boojoom.

You presume wrong. Sarky as in sarcastic. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sarky.

[Dukasaur]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

I presume you mean snarky.

So, you're calling him a snark? The snark, as is generally known, is a boojoom.

You presume wrong. Sarky as in sarcastic. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sarky.

Interesting. I hadn't heard that variant before.

Still, it would have been more fun if the conversation took a turn toward the island where the Jabberwock was slain.

[riskllama]

me neither. toffee @ sym...

[DirtyDishSoap]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

I'm not being sarky. I think war was, unless I misinterpreted it completely. Sarcasm isn't exactly the easiest thing to read online unless it's blatant.

I think he worded it weirdly, but I'm pretty sure the latter half of what he was saying was intended to be sarcasm.

[jfm10]

Whales beach themselves..could be considered another mammal commiting suicide.

[Symmetry]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

I think the sarcasm of his post is lost on you.

I think that sarcasm is generally lost in written form. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt probably, but unfortunately it's an opinion that I actually encounter sometimes through some of my work.

So anyway, if you were being sarky DDS, I apologise for calling you an idiot.

I'm not being sarky. I think war was, unless I misinterpreted it completely. Sarcasm isn't exactly the easiest thing to read online unless it's blatant.

I think he worded it weirdly, but I'm pretty sure the latter half of what he was saying was intended to be sarcasm.

Like I said, I've heard people with those actual views say similar things unsarcastically.

I can apologise again, I guess, but I think it's generally better to learn two things:

1) Sarcasm doesn't usually work well online.
2) Assume good intent before you presume bad.