French presidential election (official thread)

[betiko]

I only know a few people who say they voted Leave and they're all looking forward to being out.

I voted Remain and to be honest I'm starting to look forward to being out as well.

I m surprised you didn't vote to leave given your political views on everything. You'd definitely vote Hitler if he presented himself against Ghandi for PM.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I was reading a BBC article today about how Sarkozy is about to be hauled up in court for campaign finance fraud and Fillon is in trouble for making dodgy payments to his wife, and then towards the end there were some smug French guys saying 'yeah but Brexit and Trump won't be repeated here because we look after our workers better'.

Surging far right nationalist vote - TICK
Political establishment embroiled in high profile scandals - TICK
Complacent centrists telling themselves that their country is too smart to vote for a populist and that this will all go away - TICK
La Pen 4 Prez 2017 - TICK TICK TICK

You wish!
The only scenario that could work out for her is the one described by saxi. The far left making an alliance with the far left socialist candidate. Combined, they could move to the second round vs Marine Le Pen and then it would turn out to be a 50-50 election. The moderate right or the centrist would beat her by a landslide.

Yeah yeah, just like Brits obviously won't vote for Brexit and Americans will obviously elect Clinton instead of Trump.

The difference being that the Front National, the party that is ran by the Le Pen has been around since the late 70s and that we already know the drill. Marine is much more moderate than her father though, who used to make jokes about gas chambers and against the arabs publicly. He's a huge biggot, she is more of a biggot under cover. So yes, she can do much better than him. That s why I do give her a chance against an extreme left coalition. Against moderate candidates she doesn't stand a chance, plain and simple.

The brexit is due to a lot of people just wanting to make a point but not actually wanting what happened, and trump actually had less votes than hilary and only won because of the structure of the american system.
The french system is much more simple. Round 1, unless someone gets 50%+ votes, there is a round 2 with the two most voted candidates. Your vote counts the same no matter where you live.

>"French system is simpler."
>Posts numerous analyses about who aligns with whom at any given point in time of the election, with like 10 different parties, Mostly consists of who doesn't like whom based on what someone said at a party probably.

In America you get two choices. More like "choices," amiright? So, which is the simpler?

So, to recap, mrswdk -
* In the UK, Brexit won because people didn't want what they were voting for but got it anyway.
* In the US, Trump won because people wanted what they were voting for but didn't get it.

EASY D!

Brexit won due to misinformation. It's as simple as that. British politicians have been lieing to their own people and using the EU as a scapegoat.

It will go down as a sad day in history, indeed:

2016 - the year a politician lied in a political campaign

Har

-TG

[betiko]

In america you didn t have 11 candidates to chose from during the primaries of the republicans right? Nor you have very different kinds of democrats with sanders vs hilary?
You also have a whole bunch of independents such as Nader who don t stand a chance cause they don t have enough money to campaign and they don t sell their soul to big firms like rep and dems do.
In france, and in many european countries, you used to know for sure that the 2 final candidates were going to be right vs left (both moderate) now you have extreme right extreme left and center who are taking 10%+ votes and who change everything for the first rounds.

[mrswdk]

You also have a whole bunch of independents such as Nader who don t stand a chance cause they don t have enough money to campaign and they don t sell their soul to big firms like rep and dems do.

Yeah, it's good when 2-3 credible candidates are mixed in with 10-15 no hopes just to give the illusion that people have been given a diverse field to choose from.

[betiko]

You also have a whole bunch of independents such as Nader who don t stand a chance cause they don t have enough money to campaign and they don t sell their soul to big firms like rep and dems do.

Yeah, it's good when 2-3 credible candidates are mixed in with 10-15 no hopes just to give the illusion that people have been given a diverse field to choose from.

unless you haven't noticed, some that used to be "minor candidates" managed to be elected across europe such as tsipras.
You are rooting in here for marine le pen, who is from a party that has always been a minor party until the past few years.

[BoganGod]

Rooting means something very different in NZ & OZ

[TA1LGUNN3R]

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Rooting means something very different in NZ & OZ

So would a square root be like missionary or something?

-TG

[BoganGod]

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Rooting means something very different in NZ & OZ

So would a square root be like missionary or something?

-TG

Unless you are in a maths class room. A square root would be rather straight laced, poker faced, 3pumps and a good night peck on the cheek.

[mrswdk]

You also have a whole bunch of independents such as Nader who don t stand a chance cause they don t have enough money to campaign and they don t sell their soul to big firms like rep and dems do.

Yeah, it's good when 2-3 credible candidates are mixed in with 10-15 no hopes just to give the illusion that people have been given a diverse field to choose from.

unless you haven't noticed, some that used to be "minor candidates" managed to be elected across europe such as tsipras.
You are rooting in here for marine le pen, who is from a party that has always been a minor party until the past few years.

You are quite right in saying that Marie was a minor player. Past tense, because Marie le Pen is now the the most popular candidate by a clear margin.

[BoganGod]

She is too sexy!

[betiko]

You also have a whole bunch of independents such as Nader who don t stand a chance cause they don t have enough money to campaign and they don t sell their soul to big firms like rep and dems do.

Yeah, it's good when 2-3 credible candidates are mixed in with 10-15 no hopes just to give the illusion that people have been given a diverse field to choose from.

unless you haven't noticed, some that used to be "minor candidates" managed to be elected across europe such as tsipras.
You are rooting in here for marine le pen, who is from a party that has always been a minor party until the past few years.

You are quite right in saying that Marie was a minor player. Past tense, because Marie le Pen is now the the most popular candidate by a clear margin.

There is quite a difference between being the most voted on the first round and what comes next. While 25% like her, the rest truely hates her and wouldn't in any circumstance vote for her. In other words.. this is like a risk game where you are leading with 5 players left, but all 4 of your opponents would rather suicide on you than seeing you win.


Anyways, Macron and his campaign are receiving tons of cyber attacks from russia including made up news (the kind that saxi posts in here) and assaults on his website.
Looks like good old Putin is worried about his Marine and tries to bring some exterior help.

Fillon says he would not resign under any circumstance, so he's pretty much doomed his own party. A couple of month back, this was like 95% sure he'd become the next president.

[mrswdk]

There is quite a difference between being the most voted on the first round and what comes next. While 25% like her, the rest truely hates her and wouldn't in any circumstance vote for her. In other words.. this is like a risk game where you are leading with 5 players left, but all 4 of your opponents would rather suicide on you than seeing you win.

Here's what people said about Trump:
- People like him because he doesn't come across like a corporate stooge, whereas his opponent does
- However, so many people hate him that they'll go out and vote for Clinton just to block him
- He's losing in the polls

What you have said in this thread:
- France's mainstream candidates have sold out to big business
- However, so many people hate Le Pen that they'll vote against her in the second round
- Polls show Le Pen will lose in the second round

[BoganGod]

There is quite a difference between being the most voted on the first round and what comes next. While 25% like her, the rest truely hates her and wouldn't in any circumstance vote for her. In other words.. this is like a risk game where you are leading with 5 players left, but all 4 of your opponents would rather suicide on you than seeing you win.

Here's what people said about Trump:
- People like him because he doesn't come across like a corporate stooge, whereas his opponent does
- However, so many people hate him that they'll go out and vote for Clinton just to block him
- He's losing in the polls

What you have said in this thread:
- France's mainstream candidates have sold out to big business
- However, so many people hate Le Pen that they'll vote against her in the second round
- Polls show Le Pen will lose in the second round

What would you know heathen commie jezebel. Thou shalt not troll the betsy poo in his only area of knowledge, when he is for once making a valid contribution. Go back to stalking your diseased crush sloppy bj.

[betiko]

There is quite a difference between being the most voted on the first round and what comes next. While 25% like her, the rest truely hates her and wouldn't in any circumstance vote for her. In other words.. this is like a risk game where you are leading with 5 players left, but all 4 of your opponents would rather suicide on you than seeing you win.

Here's what people said about Trump:
- People like him because he doesn't come across like a corporate stooge, whereas his opponent does
- However, so many people hate him that they'll go out and vote for Clinton just to block him
- He's losing in the polls

What you have said in this thread:
- France's mainstream candidates have sold out to big business
- However, so many people hate Le Pen that they'll vote against her in the second round
- Polls show Le Pen will lose in the second round

France s maintream candidates have sold out to big business? Lol. Where did I say that? Completely stupid. In France the parties are not supposed to ask for money for their campaigns to big companies, it s illegal. Stop being such a bad troll, game up.
Trump had some 45-55 predictions or so against him at worse; Le Pen would be more on a 30-70% against moderate candidates. There is just not enough ignorant jackasses in france to make their voice count compared to the US and the UK.
Taiwain is a free independent country, Hong Kong, Macao, Tibet should be freed from the evil chinese. I hope Kim Jong Hun nukes you.

[mrswdk]

There is just not enough ignorant jackasses in france to make their voice count compared to the US and the UK.
Taiwain is a free independent country, Hong Kong, Macao, Tibet should be freed from the evil chinese. I hope Kim Jong Hun nukes you.

Well it looks like there's at least one

[DoomYoshi]

http://www.rferl.org/a/french-presidential-front-runner-macron-claims-russia-interfering-in-election/28308335.html

French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron's party chief said Macron is being targeted by Russian media and Internet attacks with the goal of helping the election campaigns of his pro-Moscow rivals.

The charges by Richard Ferrand, secretary-general of Macron's En Marche party, on February 13 marked the first direct accusation from a French political party that forces in Russia were trying to influence the outcome of the May election.

Ferrand, who said Moscow looked favorably on the policies of far-right leader Marine Le Pen and center-right candidate Francois Fillon, urged the government to take steps to ensure there was no "foreign meddling" in the election.

Drawing a parallel with the U.S. presidential election in which U.S. intelligence agencies saw the hand of the Kremlin last year, he said: "The Americans saw it, but it came too late."

Ferrand told France 2 television that Russian media like RT and Sputnik are targeting him because he is in favor of the European Union. They have published "fake news" stories saying Macron is a puppet of U.S. elites, for example, he said.

Macron, an independent centrist, has been tipped to win the May 7 second-round against Le Pen, who is anti-EU and supports Russian policy on Ukraine.

[betiko]

http://www.rferl.org/a/french-presidential-front-runner-macron-claims-russia-interfering-in-election/28308335.html

French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron's party chief said Macron is being targeted by Russian media and Internet attacks with the goal of helping the election campaigns of his pro-Moscow rivals.

The charges by Richard Ferrand, secretary-general of Macron's En Marche party, on February 13 marked the first direct accusation from a French political party that forces in Russia were trying to influence the outcome of the May election.

Ferrand, who said Moscow looked favorably on the policies of far-right leader Marine Le Pen and center-right candidate Francois Fillon, urged the government to take steps to ensure there was no "foreign meddling" in the election.

Drawing a parallel with the U.S. presidential election in which U.S. intelligence agencies saw the hand of the Kremlin last year, he said: "The Americans saw it, but it came too late."

Ferrand told France 2 television that Russian media like RT and Sputnik are targeting him because he is in favor of the European Union. They have published "fake news" stories saying Macron is a puppet of U.S. elites, for example, he said.

Macron, an independent centrist, has been tipped to win the May 7 second-round against Le Pen, who is anti-EU and supports Russian policy on Ukraine.

Yup, that s what I was saying.
Go the EU, f*ck off Russia. It's time to crush those drunken goulash eaters.

[waauw]

Le Pen accused of fraud too now

[BoganGod]

Le Pen accused of fraud too now

The only fraud, our real live Iron Lady has committed is encouraging reports suggesting she is an outside chance. She is canny enough to go for the underdog boost in the polls.

[waauw]

Le Pen accused of fraud too now

The only fraud, our real live Iron Lady has committed is encouraging reports suggesting she is an outside chance. She is canny enough to go for the underdog boost in the polls.

She stole over €300.000 of EU-funds by setting up fake jobs. The EXACT same thing for which Fillon was accused.

[betiko]

Le Pen accused of fraud too now

The only fraud, our real live Iron Lady has committed is encouraging reports suggesting she is an outside chance. She is canny enough to go for the underdog boost in the polls.

She stole over €300.000 of EU-funds by setting up fake jobs. The EXACT same thing for which Fillon was accused.

That s no news, it s an old case. But since she stole it from the EU to use it for domestic matters in her party, it s ok for her dumb voters who are against the EU.

Regarding Fillon's case it s a bit different.. he was giving a 5000€ salary to his Welsh wife for being his assistant in the parliament... all official and paying taxes on that. The problem is that they have accused her of not doing any work at all. They claim she was actually really working, but now nobody believes it.

[saxitoxin]

Oh yeah, the three French left-wing candidates are now moving closer to an alliance ... https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... presidency.

Looks like Saxi's prediction will come true - the left-wing will unite and take second place in the first round, prompting Fillon voters to defect to Le Pen in the second. It looks like even the French markets agree as they're on a down trend - http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17/marine-l ... arket.html.

Obama used the U.S. intelligence apparatus to interfere in the last French election ... now Trump controls the machinery of state and can unleash the great leviathan. In the run-up to the vote expect France to get squeezed from the west when Trump activates the hundreds of American sleeper agents staged across Europe. Meanwhile, Russia will keep doing what it's doing to sink Marcon.

It will be like two boa constricters squeezing the same prey - Gallic is on the menu!

[saxitoxin]

Once Le Pen wins, I wonder if the French Army will actually let her take power or if they'll do an Algeria '61 thing? A military coup in France would essentially be the last nail in the coffin of the EU.

That's really the dream. We don't want Le Pen to control the nuclear codes, necessarily, we just want to provoke the west into self-destructive reactions that destroy public confidence in institutions. A Le Pen victory followed by an immediate Army putsch would be ideal.

[waauw]

Once Le Pen wins, I wonder if the French Army will actually let her take power or if they'll do an Algeria '61 thing? A military coup in France would essentially be the last nail in the coffin of the EU.

That's really the dream. We don't want Le Pen to control the nuclear codes, necessarily, we just want to provoke the west into self-destructive reactions that destroy public confidence in institutions. A Le Pen victory followed by an immediate Army putsch would be ideal.

Yeah, wishing for pre-WWII conditions is truely desirable...