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Re: How old are you?

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu May 12, 2016 4:43 pm

The age question is hoary in chess. Indeed, one of the earliest discussions of the now-universal player ranking system called the “Elo rating” (named for its inventor Arpad Elo) was in a 1965 article in The Journal of Gerontology. Using his novel statistical analysis, Elo found that the peak age for master-level chess performance was around 36, with a slow steady decline after that.

That was then. Today, chess is only getting younger. Neil Charness, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, has long studied the question of chess and performance. “Bobby Fischer became a grandmaster at age 15,” he says. “Then Judit Polgar beat his record.” And then Sergey Karjakin beat Polgar, by doing it in 2002 at age 12. “The record of the youngest age to achieve grandmaster status,” Charness tells me, “keeps getting beat.” More recently, the 13-year-old Wei Yi became the youngest to rise above a 2600 rating. Magnus Carlsen, the world’s current top-ranked player, was the youngest player to reach number one, at age 19. In a process akin to the “Flynn effect,” or the global rise in IQ scores over much of the last century, chess ratings have risen over time. Charness notes that “younger players are getting skilled faster than they used to,” thanks, in part, to better tools and better feedback: Sophisticated computer engines, databases, the ability to play players of any level at any time of the day.


http://nautil.us/issue/36/aging/learning-chess-at-40
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Re: How old are you?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu May 12, 2016 4:48 pm

So not only are machines making humans obsolete, but young whippersnappers are making adult humans obsolete.




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Re: How old are you?

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Thu May 12, 2016 4:57 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
The age question is hoary in chess. Indeed, one of the earliest discussions of the now-universal player ranking system called the “Elo rating” (named for its inventor Arpad Elo) was in a 1965 article in The Journal of Gerontology. Using his novel statistical analysis, Elo found that the peak age for master-level chess performance was around 36, with a slow steady decline after that.

That was then. Today, chess is only getting younger. Neil Charness, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, has long studied the question of chess and performance. “Bobby Fischer became a grandmaster at age 15,” he says. “Then Judit Polgar beat his record.” And then Sergey Karjakin beat Polgar, by doing it in 2002 at age 12. “The record of the youngest age to achieve grandmaster status,” Charness tells me, “keeps getting beat.” More recently, the 13-year-old Wei Yi became the youngest to rise above a 2600 rating. Magnus Carlsen, the world’s current top-ranked player, was the youngest player to reach number one, at age 19. In a process akin to the “Flynn effect,” or the global rise in IQ scores over much of the last century, chess ratings have risen over time. Charness notes that “younger players are getting skilled faster than they used to,” thanks, in part, to better tools and better feedback: Sophisticated computer engines, databases, the ability to play players of any level at any time of the day.


http://nautil.us/issue/36/aging/learning-chess-at-40


I hate hearing about stuff like this. To think I've already peaked and haven't achieved anything...

I remember reading where Watson was obsessed with making his big discovery by the age of like 25 or 26, because he believed that after that he would enter mental decline. And they inferred the double helix from Rosalind's data like the night before his birthday.

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Re: How old are you?

Postby notyou2 on Thu May 12, 2016 5:03 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
The age question is hoary in chess. Indeed, one of the earliest discussions of the now-universal player ranking system called the “Elo rating” (named for its inventor Arpad Elo) was in a 1965 article in The Journal of Gerontology. Using his novel statistical analysis, Elo found that the peak age for master-level chess performance was around 36, with a slow steady decline after that.

That was then. Today, chess is only getting younger. Neil Charness, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, has long studied the question of chess and performance. “Bobby Fischer became a grandmaster at age 15,” he says. “Then Judit Polgar beat his record.” And then Sergey Karjakin beat Polgar, by doing it in 2002 at age 12. “The record of the youngest age to achieve grandmaster status,” Charness tells me, “keeps getting beat.” More recently, the 13-year-old Wei Yi became the youngest to rise above a 2600 rating. Magnus Carlsen, the world’s current top-ranked player, was the youngest player to reach number one, at age 19. In a process akin to the “Flynn effect,” or the global rise in IQ scores over much of the last century, chess ratings have risen over time. Charness notes that “younger players are getting skilled faster than they used to,” thanks, in part, to better tools and better feedback: Sophisticated computer engines, databases, the ability to play players of any level at any time of the day.


http://nautil.us/issue/36/aging/learning-chess-at-40


You should plot this versus the decline of lead in paint and gasoline.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu May 12, 2016 6:25 pm

It's hard to fathom that page 2 and page 3 of this thread are the same thread...

@2dimes: I guess what you want is a simple rule. If you are old enough to remember a non-metric canada, you probably aren't good at chess
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Re: How old are you?

Postby betiko on Thu May 12, 2016 7:16 pm

Dukasaur wrote:A frightening world where 10 years is old.


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Re: How old are you?

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 12, 2016 11:52 pm

Dukasaur wrote:A frightening world where 10 years is old.

How many other websites do you know that have been around for 10 years outside the big ones? I think many have either gone belly up, or are simply inactive.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu May 12, 2016 11:56 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:A frightening world where 10 years is old.

How many other websites do you know that have been around for 10 years outside the big ones? I think many have either gone belly up, or are simply inactive.

Oh, I know. Longevity of websites, and gaming websites in particular, tends to be short.

Just comparing it to pre-internet values is the scary part. If you buy a car you expect it to run for 25 years. If you lay down a bottle of wine you expect it to stay good for 50. If you build a house you expect it to last for 100 years. If you build a cathedral you expect it to stand for 1000.

The timeline of things in the Internet Age is the scary part. Not a reflection on CC.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri May 13, 2016 2:40 am

Dukasaur wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:A frightening world where 10 years is old.

How many other websites do you know that have been around for 10 years outside the big ones? I think many have either gone belly up, or are simply inactive.

Oh, I know. Longevity of websites, and gaming websites in particular, tends to be short.

Just comparing it to pre-internet values is the scary part. If you buy a car you expect it to run for 25 years. If you lay down a bottle of wine you expect it to stay good for 50. If you build a house you expect it to last for 100 years. If you build a cathedral you expect it to stand for 1000.

The timeline of things in the Internet Age is the scary part. Not a reflection on CC.


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Re: How old are you?

Postby nagerous on Fri May 13, 2016 9:32 am

With Twitter trending topics and memes are barely 24 hours old before being considered old news
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Re: How old are you?

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri May 13, 2016 1:11 pm

nagerous wrote:With Twitter trending topics and memes are barely 24 hours old before being considered old news


Oh, that's SO 11 o'clock this morning.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby notyou2 on Sat May 14, 2016 9:57 am

This thread is old and dried up
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Re: How old are you?

Postby iAmCaffeine on Sun May 15, 2016 4:25 am

Wow, I'm the only one in my age group.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun May 15, 2016 7:35 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:Wow, I'm the only one in my age group.


Most of us just passed the 24 hump.
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Re: How old are you?

Postby KoolBak on Sun May 15, 2016 8:21 am

....before you were born..... :lol:
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Re: How old are you?

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun May 15, 2016 8:26 am

notyou2 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
The age question is hoary in chess. Indeed, one of the earliest discussions of the now-universal player ranking system called the “Elo rating” (named for its inventor Arpad Elo) was in a 1965 article in The Journal of Gerontology. Using his novel statistical analysis, Elo found that the peak age for master-level chess performance was around 36, with a slow steady decline after that.

That was then. Today, chess is only getting younger. Neil Charness, a professor of psychology at Florida State University, has long studied the question of chess and performance. “Bobby Fischer became a grandmaster at age 15,” he says. “Then Judit Polgar beat his record.” And then Sergey Karjakin beat Polgar, by doing it in 2002 at age 12. “The record of the youngest age to achieve grandmaster status,” Charness tells me, “keeps getting beat.” More recently, the 13-year-old Wei Yi became the youngest to rise above a 2600 rating. Magnus Carlsen, the world’s current top-ranked player, was the youngest player to reach number one, at age 19. In a process akin to the “Flynn effect,” or the global rise in IQ scores over much of the last century, chess ratings have risen over time. Charness notes that “younger players are getting skilled faster than they used to,” thanks, in part, to better tools and better feedback: Sophisticated computer engines, databases, the ability to play players of any level at any time of the day.


http://nautil.us/issue/36/aging/learning-chess-at-40


You should plot this versus the decline of lead in paint and gasoline.


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Re: How old are you?

Postby apey on Sun May 15, 2016 11:39 am

:cry: oh wait wrong emoji :roll:
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