The people come together as one

[Symmetry]

Mexico already has tariffs on American goods, so it's fair and rational to do the same thing on Mexican goods coming into the United States. Mexican labor should be taxed just like anyone else's. We don't need new laws in this respect, but rather just to enforce laws already on the books.

As for setting a wire transfer fee regarding money going from the US to Mexico, there's nothing wrong with the United States establishing a cost to do business in it's borders. If you have a problem with limiting this just to funds transferred to Mexico, the fee could expand to all money sent out of the US via wire transfer. That means that instead of the $1.35 billion we would gather from money sent to Mexico, the United States would collect $12 billion a year, more than enough to build a wall.

It's not racist or discriminatory. Every other country has programs like this in place, and the United States is more than in it's right to do it.

Your proposed tax on just Mexico and Mexican immigrants does seem discriminatory, what with the discriminating and all. But hey, that's just pointing out the obvious.

How do you feel about the idea of "No taxation without representation"?

The British Home Office sets different visa requirements for people based upon their nationality. For a Chinese person to visit the UK as a tourist, they have to go through a lengthy application process and put down a 'deposit' of thousands of pounds as insurance against them illegally overstaying; a Malaysian can just turn up and travel for 6 months whenever they like, don't even need to fill out a form. Does that mean the British government is racist?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35243763

The visa agreement is a reciprocal one.

I don't see anything about a deposit.

That's because that page is a brief news article announcing a new visa agreement, not a policy document outlining all visa rules and requirements.

My point was that nationals of different countries get treated differently when applying for visas to the UK. You said taxing Mexican migrants only is racist - is it also racist that the Home Office requires citizens of some countries to meet certain financial benchmarks before they can come to the UK, but not citizens of other countries?

Hmm, as I pointed out, the visa situation regarding the UKvand China is something agreed between the two countries. No idea about deposits, still.

I suggested that just discriminating against Mexicans was discrimination. Do you agree that discrimination is discrimination?

[notyou2]

Mexico already has tariffs on American goods, so it's fair and rational to do the same thing on Mexican goods coming into the United States. Mexican labor should be taxed just like anyone else's. We don't need new laws in this respect, but rather just to enforce laws already on the books.

As for setting a wire transfer fee regarding money going from the US to Mexico, there's nothing wrong with the United States establishing a cost to do business in it's borders. If you have a problem with limiting this just to funds transferred to Mexico, the fee could expand to all money sent out of the US via wire transfer. That means that instead of the $1.35 billion we would gather from money sent to Mexico, the United States would collect $12 billion a year, more than enough to build a wall.

It's not racist or discriminatory. Every other country has programs like this in place, and the United States is more than in it's right to do it.

WHY DON"T YOU JUST SHOOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK DIFFERENT?????

I like blonde and Asian women.

You're a racist bigot like Drumpf. You have been revealed by your hate.

If you're going to accuse someone of being racist and bigotted you're better off not repeating racist and biggotted smear campaigns about their ethnic family name when you do it. It makes you a racist and bigoted hypocrite.

Show me where I repeated a bigoted smear campaign. If you are talking John Oliver, you are not only a bigot, but you are a moron too.

[GabonX]

Mexico already has tariffs on American goods, so it's fair and rational to do the same thing on Mexican goods coming into the United States. Mexican labor should be taxed just like anyone else's. We don't need new laws in this respect, but rather just to enforce laws already on the books.

As for setting a wire transfer fee regarding money going from the US to Mexico, there's nothing wrong with the United States establishing a cost to do business in it's borders. If you have a problem with limiting this just to funds transferred to Mexico, the fee could expand to all money sent out of the US via wire transfer. That means that instead of the $1.35 billion we would gather from money sent to Mexico, the United States would collect $12 billion a year, more than enough to build a wall.

It's not racist or discriminatory. Every other country has programs like this in place, and the United States is more than in it's right to do it.

WHY DON"T YOU JUST SHOOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK DIFFERENT?????

I like blonde and Asian women.

You're a racist bigot like Drumpf. You have been revealed by your hate.

If you're going to accuse someone of being racist and bigotted you're better off not repeating racist and biggotted smear campaigns about their ethnic family name when you do it. It makes you a racist and bigoted hypocrite.

Show me where I repeated a bigoted smear campaign. If you are talking John Oliver, you are not only a bigot, but you are a moron too.

A hypocrite that doubles down on his bigotted smears, no class

[Symmetry]

TLDR: some posters think targetting Mexicans is not discrimination.
Some peeps take issue with that.

[GabonX]

People like Symmetry, in all their disingenuous smugness, are why Donald Trump is so popular.

[mrswdk]

Still not clear why a Mexican who lives and pays taxes in the US should not get the same say on how the US is run as an American who lives and pays taxes in the US, other than 'that's what American law says'.

[GabonX]

Still not clear why a Mexican who lives and pays taxes in the US should not get the same say on how the US is run as an American who lives and pays taxes in the US, other than 'that's what American law says'.

It's what the laws of every country say. Voting is a right reserved for citizens. If we give up this basic principle of democratic nationalism, there is no concept of a nation.

By your logic, foreign nationals could flood the United States and vote to repeal or enact policies which go against the interests of US citizens. If someone wants to vote in US elections they need to become a legal citizen. If they want to do business in the United States without becoming citizens they do so under the terms set by the United States, and they don't get to band together to undermine the will of the US citizenry.

[mrswdk]

Still not clear why a Mexican who lives and pays taxes in the US should not get the same say on how the US is run as an American who lives and pays taxes in the US, other than 'that's what American law says'.

It's what the laws of every country say. Voting is a right reserved for citizens.

The laws of the UK allow all British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote in British elections, meaning Irish, Canadians, Autralians, Malaysians, Ugandans etc. living in the UK can vote for their representative in the British government just the same as British people can.

In the elections for Mayor of London, all British, European and Commonwealth citizens in London are allowed to vote.

If we give up this basic principle of democratic nationalism, there is no concept of a nation.

If you exclude people from voting just because they were born in another country, you are disenfranchizing and marginalizing entire subgroups of the population who work work for, contribute to and benefit from America's government just as much as American nationals do. Your rationale for this exclusion seems to be that you are worried the foreign-born population of the US will stage some sort of coup, seize power over national law-making and subject everyone else to their malign will (which is unlikely for a variety of reasons, not least because only 14% of the US population is foreign-born).

[saxitoxin]

Irish, Canadians, Autralians, Malaysians, Ugandans etc. living in the UK can vote for their representative in the British government just the same as British people can.

IOW neither Kunte Kinte from Uganada nor Dudley Chaddlesworth from Yorkshire can vote for House of Lords.

On that basis, everyone on Earth with a surname has the same electoral rights as British people.

BAM. I just blew your balls off.

[2dimes]

Irish, Canadians, Autralians, Malaysians, Ugandans etc. living in the UK can vote for their representative in the British government just the same as British people can.

IOW neither Kunte Kinte from Uganada nor Dudley Chaddlesworth from Yorkshire can vote for House of Lords.

On that basis, everyone on Earth with a surname has the same electoral rights as British people.

BAM. I just blew your balls off.

I thought he was talking about Mexicans living in a country being able to vote, suddenly the Micks, Aussies and Cunucks show up at the polls. Wat?

[notyou2]

Mexico already has tariffs on American goods, so it's fair and rational to do the same thing on Mexican goods coming into the United States. Mexican labor should be taxed just like anyone else's. We don't need new laws in this respect, but rather just to enforce laws already on the books.

As for setting a wire transfer fee regarding money going from the US to Mexico, there's nothing wrong with the United States establishing a cost to do business in it's borders. If you have a problem with limiting this just to funds transferred to Mexico, the fee could expand to all money sent out of the US via wire transfer. That means that instead of the $1.35 billion we would gather from money sent to Mexico, the United States would collect $12 billion a year, more than enough to build a wall.

It's not racist or discriminatory. Every other country has programs like this in place, and the United States is more than in it's right to do it.

I like blonde and Asian women.

You're a racist bigot like Drumpf. You have been revealed by your hate.

If you're going to accuse someone of being racist and bigotted you're better off not repeating racist and biggotted smear campaigns about their ethnic family name when you do it. It makes you a racist and bigoted hypocrite.

Show me where I repeated a bigoted smear campaign. If you are talking John Oliver, you are not only a bigot, but you are a moron too.

A hypocrite that doubles down on his bigotted smears, no class

DODGE, great debate skills Gibbon

[2dimes]

Dodge Stratus?

[Symmetry]

People like Symmetry, in all their disingenuous smugness, are why Donald Trump is so popular.

And I don't even get a commision.