Homosexuality

[Guiscard]

Cor 6:9-10. King James Version:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Paul originally used the Greek word malakoi. The translation differs greatly depending on which version you go with. It is interpreted as effeminate in the King James, and in other version as as actual 'homosexual perversion', but elsewhere in the bible it is used constantly to mean 'soft'. Indeed, Jesus describes clothes using the same word.

The second term, arsenokoitai, is again interpreted as 'homosexual'. Again, translations differ wildly. Paul was the earliest to actually use this word, and it is used very rarely after him, so the translation is vague. It could well refer to male prostitutes, or even child sex slaves, with no relation to the act of homosexuality. He could have used the widely used Greek word 'paiderasste', which specifically and obviously refers to homosexual intercourse. Either way it certainly doesn't include females.

As I said before, it is far too vague a command to be so militantly enforced in modern Christianity.

[Anarkistsdream]

What the f*ck does the Bible have to do with being gay???

Nothing...

God loves everyone equally, if you believe in that Christian bullshit...

And, you know what? You guys are all arguing the wrong goddamn point!!!

It may be your choice to sleep with a man or a woman, but it is not a CHOICE to who you are attracted to!!!

You can't help what turns you on... All people are just different.

It is obvious that none of you are homosexual or have any close friends or family that are...

[Guiscard]

It may be your choice to sleep with a man or a woman, but it is not a CHOICE to who you are attracted to!!!

You can't help what turns you on... All people are just different.

It is obvious that none of you are homosexual or have any close friends or family that are...

That's what most of us are arguing!

[heavycola]

I like the word that begins with 'arse'

Moving swiftly on, anarkistsdream makes an excellent point. Do i choose to be attracted to women who look and sound like my mother? No sir i do not.

[Guiscard]

but many of your arguments are based on the OT in other threads

like?

Creationism.

New testament in no way contradicts evolution. You argue against evolution.

[Anarkistsdream]

It may be your choice to sleep with a man or a woman, but it is not a CHOICE to who you are attracted to!!!

You can't help what turns you on... All people are just different.

It is obvious that none of you are homosexual or have any close friends or family that are...

That's what most of us are arguing!

Oh, no, I know that... It was directed at the Bible Thumpers.

[Capt Killroy]

you are so wrong strike wolf i knew somebody who was married for five years

then his wife turned gay left him took the two kids and almost destroyed this mans life

it all happened within four months so dont tell me shit like that dont happen

its has become the norm today get married have kids turn gay its the new fad

of the twenty first century

[dcowboys055]

lol that's the new fad?

[DirtyDishSoap]

my friend thinks its a brain disorder

[Anarkistsdream]

my friend thinks its a brain disorder

That's fucking retarded.

[Guiscard]

you are so wrong strike wolf i knew somebody who was married for five years

then his wife turned gay left him took the two kids and almost destroyed this mans life

it all happened within four months so dont tell me shit like that dont happen

its has become the norm today get married have kids turn gay its the new fad

of the twenty first century

Is your friend the character of Ross from the popular US comedy 'Friends'?

[Joep the 2nd]

my friend thinks its a brain disorder

tell ur friend hes a fucking asshole

[red bull]

ok i will not use anything from the bible beacuse you dont believe in it so whats the point in using it any way this is a true story... when i was 9 years old i had a very good friend {an elderly woman who has since died from cancer} that came to our farm to stay with us to get out of the city... {she used to live in the country } any way she had two nephews that were gay. i did not find that out till some time later in life. they were both in there 20s and my brothers and sisters and i had a great time with them we took them fishing to the barns in the wood every where we would go... of course they act'd like city folk every where we took them but non the less they followed but the whole time we did not know they had a different look on sexuality... so to make a long story short i believe it was about 3 months later my father {a pastor } told me they were gay {make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage } and he knew they were when they came.... but he told me that since the two boy had come to our house one of them {the older of the two } diside to "try" to become strait ...... and now 8 years later he is married to a woman and has 3 kids... see he made a choice just one visit to our farm and hanging out with myself and my sibs change his whole out look on sexuality...... wich makes me think you are not born with it.... its how you are brought up in your family what you beliveve who you hang out with and so on and so fourth.... oh i forgot the other brother yes is still gay BUT he also tried going "straight" after he saw his older brother go "straight" well with all that said i hope that made sence... sorry about the spelling and puncuation

[DirtyDishSoap]

my friend thinks its a brain disorder

tell ur friend hes a fucking asshole

you think i didnt?
dumb bastard doesnt have a clue (my friend not you)

[Backglass]

you are so wrong strike wolf i knew somebody who was married for five years

then his wife turned gay left him took the two kids and almost destroyed this mans life

it all happened within four months so dont tell me shit like that dont happen

its has become the norm today get married have kids turn gay its the new fad

of the twenty first century

Clue time Cappy.

The woman was always gay and most likely in denial. She didn't "Turn Gay" anymore than you "turned" heterosexual. I guess you have never heard the phrase "coming out of the closet" before.

Oh and by the way...one instance does not make it "the norm".

Homophobia, as far as I know, is a relatively new word.... much like "phat" or "bounce"(ie. I gotta bounce)

Ahhh yes, that NEW word Homophobia. Guess you haven't been around since the 70's.

It is a made up term taken from other words. Which is why I dissected the word

Made up word?! Sorry jay...it's a REAL word, not some invented compound word. An actual psychological term just like Arachnophobia and Agoriphobia.

Surely you dont doubt your precious Dictionary.com?

[btownmeggy]

Do i choose to be attracted to women who look and sound like my mother? No sir i do not.

But unfortunately... you are?

[Aegnor]

{make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage }

Who gave you the right to decide what's good for other people? They have their own right to marry a goat and a chair if they so choose. It's called a "democracy".

[heavycola]

Do i choose to be attracted to women who look and sound like my mother? No sir i do not.

But unfortunately... you are?

It's so weird bringing girls back to meet my parents. Especially when i call them 'mummy' by mistake.

[DirtyDishSoap]

i'd say leave them alone, let them do what they want, dont see why were bugging them to no end

[Backglass]

ok i will not use anything from the bible beacuse you dont believe in it so whats the point in using it any way this is a true story... when i was 9 years old i had a very good friend {an elderly woman who has since died from cancer} that came to our farm to stay with us to get out of the city... {she used to live in the country } any way she had two nephews that were gay. i did not find that out till some time later in life. they were both in there 20s and my brothers and sisters and i had a great time with them we took them fishing to the barns in the wood every where we would go... of course they act'd like city folk every where we took them but non the less they followed but the whole time we did not know they had a different look on sexuality... so to make a long story short i believe it was about 3 months later my father {a pastor } told me they were gay {make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage } and he knew they were when they came.... but he told me that since the two boy had come to our house one of them {the older of the two } diside to "try" to become strait ...... and now 8 years later he is married to a woman and has 3 kids... see he made a choice just one visit to our farm and hanging out with myself and my sibs change his whole out look on sexuality...... wich makes me think you are not born with it.... its how you are brought up in your family what you beliveve who you hang out with and so on and so fourth.... oh i forgot the other brother yes is still gay BUT he also tried going "straight" after he saw his older brother go "straight" well with all that said i hope that made sence... sorry about the spelling and puncuation

Unless you have actually spoken to these men and heard their stories, your fathers opinions have no weight. Also gay men raised to believe homosexuality is bad or a sin marry women in order to try to be "good" all the time and most suffer throughout their entire lives.

<sigh> One doesn't change sexual preference any more than you can change your mind and become a redhead.

BTW there are just as many gay "country folk" as "city folk" in case you were wondering.

[red bull]

{make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage }

Who gave you the right to decide what's good for other people? They have their own right to marry a goat and a chair if they so choose. It's called a "democracy".

well who gave them the right to vote oh say smoking in publice places ...... its called a democracy

[red bull]

ok i will not use anything from the bible beacuse you dont believe in it so whats the point in using it any way this is a true story... when i was 9 years old i had a very good friend {an elderly woman who has since died from cancer} that came to our farm to stay with us to get out of the city... {she used to live in the country } any way she had two nephews that were gay. i did not find that out till some time later in life. they were both in there 20s and my brothers and sisters and i had a great time with them we took them fishing to the barns in the wood every where we would go... of course they act'd like city folk every where we took them but non the less they followed but the whole time we did not know they had a different look on sexuality... so to make a long story short i believe it was about 3 months later my father {a pastor } told me they were gay {make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage } and he knew they were when they came.... but he told me that since the two boy had come to our house one of them {the older of the two } diside to "try" to become strait ...... and now 8 years later he is married to a woman and has 3 kids... see he made a choice just one visit to our farm and hanging out with myself and my sibs change his whole out look on sexuality...... wich makes me think you are not born with it.... its how you are brought up in your family what you beliveve who you hang out with and so on and so fourth.... oh i forgot the other brother yes is still gay BUT he also tried going "straight" after he saw his older brother go "straight" well with all that said i hope that made sence... sorry about the spelling and puncuation

Unless you have actually spoken to these men and heard their stories, your fathers opinions have no weight.

BTW there are just as many gay "country folk" as "city folk" in case you were wondering.

lol i know and theses men come to our house every summer and the one now brings his kids.... and what i ment by city folk is that they are defly afarid of our chickens that all lol

[Aegnor]

{make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage }

Who gave you the right to decide what's good for other people? They have their own right to marry a goat and a chair if they so choose. It's called a "democracy".

well who gave them the right to vote oh say smoking in publice places ...... its called a democracy

So you are saying that a man who fucks another man offends you the same way second hand smoking does?

Allow me laugh in your face and call you an idiot.

[Anarchy Ninja]

{make no mistake myself and my family do not support gay marriage }

Who gave you the right to decide what's good for other people? They have their own right to marry a goat and a chair if they so choose. It's called a "democracy".

well who gave them the right to vote oh say smoking in publice places ...... its called a democracy

i would hardly compare gay marriage to smoking in a public place. seriously how are they even comparable one is related to ones private life (just cause they arent married it doesnt mean they wont show public affection so yes it is just private life) and they other can give people life threating diseases such as cancer

[red bull]

<sigh> One doesn't change sexual preference any more than you can change your mind and become a redhead.

my i know how you know this ........... and who said he did not have problems? i most sertinaly did not say that infact he went through many hard places to reach his conslusion in his life ............