ok so who is for hillary clinton for PRESIDENT! adults only

[jay_a2j]

i dont know im sure she put in her imput cause she is a woman and im not saying she did help but he did a better job than bush ever did and clinton i mean come on how can we get mad at someone for getting some he*d i mean we got millions of cheating americans some our friends but were not treating them the way everyone treated clinton.

Because he was in OUR house (the oval office). On the job (no pun intended). If I was having sexual relations at work, I'd lose my job as would most people. Furthermore, Hillary is a feminist! Feminists useually don't tolerate cheating husbands...but she did, why? BECAUSE SHE IS A POWER HUNGRY BI#CH! And is using Bill to gain her own power.

BTW...the way you feel about Republicans is the way I feel about Liberals.

[areon]

Jay did you ever take that test in political science where there are 3 candidates? The first cheats on his wife, did some drugs, and lied about his life numerous times. The second is an alcoholic, abused his position of power in another office, and was a divisive figure. The third was a vegetarian, never smoked, and drank in moderation.

Now after hearing all these personal aspects who did you vote for FDR, Churchill, or Hitler? Which one did more in office that you would support? Did it have anything to to with their leadership?

[Kylie]

i dont know im sure she put in her imput cause she is a woman and im not saying she did help but he did a better job than bush ever did and clinton i mean come on how can we get mad at someone for getting some he*d i mean we got millions of cheating americans some our friends but were not treating them the way everyone treated clinton.

Because he was in OUR house (the oval office). On the job (no pun intended). If I was having sexual relations at work, I'd lose my job as would most people. Furthermore, Hillary is a feminist! Feminists useually don't tolerate cheating husbands...but she did, why? BECAUSE SHE IS A POWER HUNGRY BI#CH! And is using Bill to gain her own power.

BTW...the way you feel about Republicans is the way I feel about Liberals.

who is to say she isnt like most of american's these days taking beatings and cheating husbands cause they love them i mean who knows we dont know her intentions or where she is coming from.

[reverend_kyle]

Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.

And she did a really good job of it?

If you consider reducing our military to dangerously low levels.

I was in the Navy during the so called "reduction". Trust me, it was nothing as ridiculous as the reduction that the Bush Administration approved when they implemented cutting 20,000 airmen by 2009. Besides, why would we need an ultra-powerful military, when Russia had collapsed?

If you don't mind that the administration taking credit for an economy that was fueled by a Republican House and Senate.

An economy that was balanced by raising taxes and cutting down the military. If the Republicans want to take the blame for that, I'd be more then happy to assign them that.

If you don't mind the lies and sex scandals.

Actually, I didn't. It was none of our business to begin with. Moreover, I thought this was Hillary we are talking about, not Bill.

If you don't mind our nuke secrets being sold to China.

I have yet to see proof that they were sold, instead of stolen, which the CIA has corroborated time and time again.

Yeah, she was a blast!

That is, if you believe the disgusting rhetoric that she "ran" the country.

jesse you are wasting your time Jay doesnt respond to reason.

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for the record Hilary forced bill to have a sex scandal

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[unriggable]

Hillary has already run the country for 8 years.

And she did a really good job of it?

If you consider reducing our military to dangerously low levels.

If you don't mind that the administration taking credit for an economy that was fueled by a Republican House and Senate.

If you don't mind the lies and sex scandals.

If you don't mind our nuke secrets being sold to China.

Yeah, she was a blast!

I dont see the point in the military if we use it for stupid reasons. The economy was better first half of clintons admin anyways. I'm pretty sure denying wiretapping is also a lie, shooting a guy in the face is also a scandal, having people in your admin being prosecuted for revealing a CIA official is a lie and a scandal. Yep, our current administration sure kicks ass!

[vgmmaster]

Unless I'm mistaken, Hiliary is against video game violence near the extent of what Jack Thompson is. For that reason alone, I will vote against her.

[Knight of Orient]

im 17, but am gonna be old enough to vote in the comin election. The only thing that would scare me more than an all out nuclear war would be hillary becomin president.

[Sackett58]

I'm a Democrat.

Anyone taking Hilary as a running mate better have their life insurance paid up. 666

[Blueoctober]

Jay did you ever take that test in political science where there are 3 candidates? The first cheats on his wife, did some drugs, and lied about his life numerous times. The second is an alcoholic, abused his position of power in another office, and was a divisive figure. The third was a vegetarian, never smoked, and drank in moderation.

Now after hearing all these personal aspects who did you vote for FDR, Churchill, or Hitler? Which one did more in office that you would support? Did it have anything to to with their leadership?

good point i am sorry no one chose hitler.he was the vegetarian non-smoker moderate drinker right?

[Shaninon]

If she somehow did make it through the primaries, I would love to vote for Hilary, just for the historical significance of her candidacy. That said, I really don't want her to win the primaries, because, as people have very aptly demonstrated here, I believe that she is simply too divisive of a figure to have a chance in the election. I think, also, that the country needs a regime change more than anything else at this point, so symbolic statements have to, sadly, fall by the wayside.

As to the criticism voiced on voting along party lines, I definitely do it, and view it as a necessity in today's political environment. With the state of the campaign trail today, any candidate elected is beholden to his or her party, as it is entirely impossible to win an election without spending literally millions in advertising and other campaign concerns. Until there is some serious reform to campaign financing, and a candidate's party affiliation is a reflection of her values rather than an list of her financiers, party lines impose too much influence on potential office holders to ignore.

[b.k. barunt]

Meet the new boss . . . same as the old boss.

[jay_a2j]

Jay did you ever take that test in political science where there are 3 candidates? The first cheats on his wife, did some drugs, and lied about his life numerous times. The second is an alcoholic, abused his position of power in another office, and was a divisive figure. The third was a vegetarian, never smoked, and drank in moderation.

Now after hearing all these personal aspects who did you vote for FDR, Churchill, or Hitler? Which one did more in office that you would support? Did it have anything to to with their leadership?

good point i am sorry no one chose hitler.he was the vegetarian non-smoker moderate drinker right?

No, not a good point.... because you left out that he murdered millions of Jews. You overlook the fact that the Clinton's are habitual liars and that most of those associated with the Clinton's are either missing or dead. You do realize that last time Hillary ran for Senate here in NY the Republican Party asked the Republican candidate running against Hillary to DROP OUT of the race! Now why in HELL would they do that? You figure it out.

[neoni]

No, not a good point.... because you left out that he murdered millions of Jews.

not before he was elected

[jay_a2j]

No, not a good point.... because you left out that he murdered millions of Jews.

not before he was elected

Guess they should of dug deeper.

[luns101]

I would never vote for Hillary. But who is out there from either party that can move forward a viable agenda? The country (at least those who vote) are pretty much divided as to which direction to take the country.

[Hologram]

Well, I'm technically not an adult, but I will be able to vote when the time comes so I will say that I would not vote for Hilary because I believe that she is too far left. Don't get me wrong, there are times for conservatism and times for liberalism, but Hilary is too partisan and I don't think that would be healthy for the Presidency. The President must be someone who can compromise and play either side of the fence when needed.

[b.k. barunt]

I think Hillary goes both ways - on the fence thing i mean.

[Hologram]

I would rather have Andrew Johnson rise from the grave and run this country than Hillary

Now, THAT, says a lot.

[Hologram]

american politics is a joke

yes it is.

[Hologram]

This is another example of why I do not like the party system. People get judged by what party they run under not who they are. And as Morph's relative said "any woman but that woman".

This is the comparative Politics student in me talking but...

The system of electing leaders we have naturally regresses into a 2 party system. Same thing is happening in England (and they have much stricter party discipline, but a lot more accountability so they actually get things done)

Yeah I shouldn't have said party system. What I really meant is how it is working. I understand that this country will probably always have just 2 parties that really stand a chance at winning, heck 3rd party candidates don't even get to participate in the debates. BUT I do not like how it is headed. It is at this point, becomig a problem where the 2 parties cannot see eye to eye.

I was commenting on how candidates are often viewed in the party sytem. A person is often just seen as a republican or democrat and these people who think that way may vote strictly based on political lines and not necessarily for the better candidate.

I would really like to see a 3rd party that stabilizes and becomes strong before one of the other parties absorbs it. That way the House of Representatives will get the vote for President more often and give small state America more of a say. (When the vote goes to the House, the state only gets one vote and all the representatives must agree. So states like California, Texas, and New York will never submit a vote)

[morph]

one we still have no choice who goes in, our votes count for shit in all actuality, its the what the hell, the name of it is suddenly gone.... collagic vote??? dammit... i had it earlier...

that is why bush is even in the office, second we had jack shit choices between bush and gore, a guy who could make choices, though the choices we now do not like, or a guy who kept tossing and turning on what he wanted...

and if you sit here and tell me "o but bush is doing the war in iraq" pull something that he had done before he went into president, we know what he has done, but we have no idea what al gore would have done, as ive said, almost all americans were blood hungry for revenge against the people who did 9/11.... Bush just thought we had to go through every other country to do it... (im not quite happy with Bush either, i just view him better then gore)


Also, kylie your still voting for the party, not the actual candidates...

(weird thing is im starting to agree with some, some not all of Jay's posts... i need to wash myself with bleach now.. till i bleed)

Hillary is bad, just is, a friend just said that she is likely doing it just to spite her husband...

also am i thinking of the words electoral collage, who votes the president in for the "people"

[btownmeggy]

We need to elect someone who is more moderate, and less of an extreme right or left winger.

Hillary is NOT an extreme left winger. She is much more conservative than Obama, who is also not an extreme left winger.

Yes she is. She's just is moving to the right because she can pick up more votes that way. She is a liberal feminist through and through.

Hillary simply isn't a communist revolutionary who would like to impose a dictatorship of the proletariat through an armed revolution. You can accept that fact or not.

Probably the most leftist senator in recent years (perhaps ever) is the recently-elected Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a socialist. The Senate was designed by the Constitution to be a conservative body. Only when nearly everyone in a particular state wants the dictatorship of the proletariat will we see a true extreme left winger in the Senate.

The more important part of my response is a question: What exactly is a "feminist" in your opinion, and why is it a bad thing?

[jay_a2j]

The more important part of my response is a question: What exactly is a "feminist" in your opinion, and why is it a bad thing?

Good question. I am for equal rights for women don't get me wrong. Same pay as men, the right to vote, yada yada yada. However, my definition of a feminist is a woman who boarder lines or just hates men. One who "doesn't need men". I don't think women should be in combat... my opinion, but look at history. Only in modern times has women in combat been an issue. This is where equal rights crosses the line. The whole abortion issue of "Its my body I can do what I want with it". Is insanely selfish and just not the case. In order for a woman to get pregnant a man must be involved...the father. Why does he have no rights to his own offspring? Also, its not her "body" that is being killed...it is the life of a child within her.

[Backglass]

I am for equal rights for women don't get me wrong. Same pay as men, the right to vote, yada yada yada. However, my definition of a feminist is a woman who boarder lines or just hates men.

So Hillary Clinton hates men now? Please turn off Rush Limbaugh and think for yourself.

I don't think women should be in combat... my opinion, but look at history.

So much for "same rights as men".

The whole abortion issue of "Its my body I can do what I want with it".

Imagine that...someone wanting to have control over their own body instead of being told what to do by LAW. How selfish!

Personally, I am on the fence with regards to Hillary as a president but what I can't understand is the outright seething, bitter, vile hatred that some people spew. Someone in this forum even had in their sig that she should by lynched and hung!!! For what? Speaking her mind? I believe that this woman could be a right wing saint and still be loathed, simply because she is Bill Clinton's wife.

[btownmeggy]

The more important part of my response is a question: What exactly is a "feminist" in your opinion, and why is it a bad thing?

Good question. I am for equal rights for women don't get me wrong. Same pay as men, the right to vote, yada yada yada. However, my definition of a feminist is a woman who boarder lines or just hates men. One who "doesn't need men". I don't think women should be in combat... my opinion, but look at history. Only in modern times has women in combat been an issue. This is where equal rights crosses the line. The whole abortion issue of "Its my body I can do what I want with it". Is insanely selfish and just not the case. In order for a woman to get pregnant a man must be involved...the father. Why does he have no rights to his own offspring? Also, its not her "body" that is being killed...it is the life of a child within her.

What makes you think that Hillary Clinton hates men?

I would recommend to you in the future that when you mean to refer to a person whom you perceive to hate men, you use the term "man-hater". Using "feminist" as an insult sure DOES make it sound like you thing women are inferior or deserve different legal and social rights than men. The definition of feminism is "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men" according to dictionary.com.

I am a feminist and while maybe I don't "need men", I prefer to have them around, and I generally like them and even love a few.

Not only women are feminists. Anyone who recognizes the long-standing inequality or mistreatment of women in any number of social situations, thinks it's wrong, and makes some effort to change it is a feminist.

In fact, the right to equal pay is one of the biggest issues affecting the attainment of gender equality in developed countries. By saying that you think women should have equal pay, you are promoting feminism.

Maybe YOU are a feminist, jay. (See, that's not an insult, but a compliment.)