Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[BigBallinStalin]

Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.

Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.

You certainly are worth taking seriously.

Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.

You're going to call him on this, but you don't have anything to say about what Saxitoxin says about Israelis?

I pretty much like what Mets has to say about sax and bias.

I don't agree that saxi is an anti-Semite, but it's possible; I'm just not convinced. Based on a previous discussion years ago about Israel and Palestine, saxi is referring to the Israeli government when he says Israel. If he says Israelis, then he's referring to the citizens who support/push the Israeli government's policies toward the Palestinians. The latter stance is rough because many people vote, thus to some degree support whatever their government does (e.g. by implication, when Americans vote, then they 'approve' of the US invasion of Iraq, US executive sanctioning the torturing 1000s in the two recent wars, drone strikes that kill a few suspected terrorists but mostly innocents civilians, etc.).


About sax and the Israelis:

There's definitely a loud minority within Israel that exercises a disproportionate control over government. These people are the Orthodox Jews (they have some special name which I forget). Dur, not all Orthodox are as pro-war and fanatical, but you get what I mean. When I think of Isreali foreign policy, these are the people I have in mind, and sax is right in calling out this group as fanatical and cultish.

The other group of Israelis which support this kind of way of handling the problem are very similar to the millions of Americans who rallied around the flag, approved of the two wars, believed in the absurd claims of reconstruction, and continue to maintain this view of American Exceptionalism, of unreal capabilities of government, etc. Those kind of people explain much of the stupidity in politics, and unsurprisingly Israel has plenty of them (just like nearly all democracies). I have mixed opinions about the uninformed participating in the democratic process.

[GabonX]

I found a Jew that doesn't like Israel! Everybody look, there's a Jew that serves my purposes!

This proves I am not an anti Semite.

[PLAYER57832]

I found a Jew that doesn't like Israel! Everybody look, there's a Jew that serves my purposes!

This proves I am not an anti Semite.

saxi likes antagonistic rhetoric, likes to rile people up. He rarely gives us glimpses of what his true views might be. Is he anti-semite? First define what that means! To a lot of people anyone opposing Israel's political views or just simply saying we should questioning what is done in the name of Judaism/Jews is an "anti semite". I certainly meet that definition! (I also, note, am in favor of questioning just about any view).

Is he in the view that belief in the old Testament Laws, the Torah, etc. or simply being born of a Jewish mother makes you automatically evil or somehow deficient,, I doubt it, though I could certainly see him arguing he thinks that way if it might stir up the pot without getting him in trouble.

[GabonX]

Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.

Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.

You certainly are worth taking seriously.

Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.

You're going to call him on this, but you don't have anything to say about what Saxitoxin says about Israelis?

I pretty much like what Mets has to say about sax and bias.

I don't agree that saxi is an anti-Semite, but it's possible; I'm just not convinced. Based on a previous discussion years ago about Israel and Palestine, saxi is referring to the Israeli government when he says Israel. If he says Israelis, then he's referring to the citizens who support/push the Israeli government's policies toward the Palestinians. The latter stance is rough because many people vote, thus to some degree support whatever their government does (e.g. by implication, when Americans vote, then they 'approve' of the US invasion of Iraq, US executive sanctioning the torturing 1000s in the two recent wars, drone strikes that kill a few suspected terrorists but mostly innocents civilians, etc.).


About sax and the Israelis:

There's definitely a loud minority within Israel that exercises a disproportionate control over government. These people are the Orthodox Jews (they have some special name which I forget). Dur, not all Orthodox are as pro-war and fanatical, but you get what I mean. When I think of Isreali foreign policy, these are the people I have in mind, and sax is right in calling out this group as fanatical and cultish.

The other group of Israelis which support this kind of way of handling the problem are very similar to the millions of Americans who rallied around the flag, approved of the two wars, believed in the absurd claims of reconstruction, and continue to maintain this view of American Exceptionalism, of unreal capabilities of government, etc. Those kind of people explain much of the stupidity in politics, and unsurprisingly Israel has plenty of them (just like nearly all democracies). I have mixed opinions about the uninformed participating in the democratic process.

Saxitoxin has said numerous times in this thread that the primary reason anyone supports Israel is religious fanatacism associated with racism and violence. He's advocated confiscation of Jewish property internationally and stated Israelis should leave the country of their birth or "be drowned in the peace well" and that they should be "sanitized from Israel by hook or by crook" etc. His comments are sweeping indictments of groups that go beyond the orthodox in Israel.

I believe the group you're talking about that held disproportionate power in Israel was the Shas party. I remember a couple years ago Saxitoxin posted a picture of the parties spiritual leader next to Netenyahu and Shimon Perez claiming the image was proof that Bibi and Perez were both part of an orthodox cult... Bibi kicked Shas out of his coalition in favor of the more moderate party of Yair Lapid (I forget the name of Lapid's party) in the next election, so they don't hold the power they did in the previous government.

[saxitoxin]

Saxitoxin has said numerous times in this thread that the primary reason anyone supports Israel is religious fanatacism associated with racism and violence.

Correct. I have said that and stand by it.

He's advocated confiscation of Jewish property internationally

False. I have said that anyone who has contributed to the illegal status quo should have to pay Palestinians for loss of property after a civil process. This should include countries like the U.S. and Germany, and also individuals regardless of their religious or ethnic background, who have contributed to outfits like Friends of the IDF and the World Zionist Congress.

and stated Israelis should leave the country of their birth or "be drowned in the peace well" and that they should be "sanitized from Israel by hook or by crook" etc.

False. You've taken three different quotes from me about three different subjects and condensed them into a single sentence to produce your own statement.

His comments are sweeping indictments of groups that go beyond the orthodox in Israel.

Correct. I indict all Zionists, regardless of religion. I extend blame to Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox Jews, Evangelical Christians, Druze and Muslims, and the non-religious.

Likewise, I applaud the Anti-Zionist efforts of everyone, regardless of religion, including Orthodox Jews such as Neturei Karta, and Reform and Non-Religious Jews like Jews Against Genocide and the Jewish Anti-Zionist League, and the Old Yeshiva community. I have extensively quoted my agreement with Jews like Dr. Uri Davis, Max Blumenthal, etc.

[GabonX]

I found a Jew that doesn't like Israel! Everybody look, there's a Jew that serves my purposes!

This proves I am not an anti Semite.

saxi likes antagonistic rhetoric, likes to rile people up. He rarely gives us glimpses of what his true views might be. Is he anti-semite? First define what that means!

I have. Look on page 12, and on page 17... Or I can copy and paste for you but people get on my case for that.

The point is his arguments revolve around distorting reality and lumping the vast majority of the worlds Jewish population in to a group which he calls "Zionists" and then applies all manner of outrageous blasohemy and traditional European antisemitism to. Seemingly the only time a Jewish person is of any use in his world view is when he can use them to denounce Israel.

I'm not saying that you or everyone I disagree with here is an anti Semite. I may disagree with you but that doesn't mean you're guilty of applying the blanket bigotry that Saxitoxin does... But for anyone that's paying attention and reads the things he's said its crystal clear, and I'm not the only one who's taken note of it.

[saxitoxin]

I found a Jew that doesn't like Israel! Everybody look, there's a Jew that serves my purposes!

This proves I am not an anti Semite.

saxi likes antagonistic rhetoric, likes to rile people up. He rarely gives us glimpses of what his true views might be. Is he anti-semite? First define what that means!

that'll show 'er, Gabby; Pamela Geller* would be proud

* keynote speaker at the "Rally for Israel" on Saturday in New York City

[GabonX]

Whyed you edit out the part about how I'm a white supremacist? And the part about me going to Sunday school??

[saxitoxin]

Whyed you edit out the part about how I'm a white supremacist? And the part about me going to Sunday school??

brevity

But, based on the absolute vitriol you and your confederates have expressed for Arabs in this thread, such as comparing them to snakes and declaring them squatters, and refusing to condemn the keynote speaker at the nation's largest pro-Israel rally [even though it only had 15 people at it], Pamela Geller (who has called Barack Obama the son of Malcolm X and a crack whore), it is clear you're most likely a white supremacist.

This isn't surprising. During the apartheid era, Israel was the only nation that would deal with South Africa and provided weapons to help South Africa kill blacks. Since that time, Israel's most rabid followers have come from the white supremacist ranks.

[saxitoxin]

Seventeen different nations, including the U.S., have now suspended all flights into David Ben-Gurion airport, the only way in or out of Israel other than its two seaports, due to the self-defense operations of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. This is the first time in more than 20 years the airport has been shut-down. The Monitor, and other outlets, outline how this will hurt Israel's economy by cutting it off from the world.



For those who say the rocket attacks do nothing, they are wrong. They've just hit Israel's ballsack with a baseball bat. Palestinian self-defense operations are working. The key to the self-defense strategy is to shake the status quo in Israel - make the world see it is an unstable place and shatter any appearances of normalcy. Qassam rocket barrages work in tandem with the BDS boycott that has been joined by labor unions, church groups, and academia in disrupting the appearance of routine. The strategy is working.

[BigBallinStalin]

Their rocket strategy works almost as well as incomplete economic embargoes that last a few weeks (if even). The problem is that (a) embargoes don't dissuade key political decision-makers because they can live well while the people suffer, and (b) this 'embargo' restricts civilian(?) air traffic, yet the sealanes are open. The economic embargo is already ineffective, and embargoes in general aren't effective (e.g. the US sanctioning Iraq pre-2003 in order to diminish Saddam's control; same goes for Iran).

More importantly, launching missiles at civilian targets really doesn't create good PR nor are such attacks effective in (1) demoralizing the enemy and (2) making the enemy incur costs significant enough for it to stop attacking. However, (3) such attacks may serve well to boost fundraising, but it's doubtful.

For example, recall the US fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo in WW2, or the Germans with their V2 rockets flying into Great Britain. Those governments intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, but since the key decision-makers in victim-governments hardly incur the direct costs (2), the war is resumed.

RE: (3), Hamas has isolated itself by focusing on killing civilians. It just doesn't look good for any country to donate to their cause--even if that country hates Israel. Al-Qaida suffered the same unintended consequence after 9/11. Many of their donors thought that they took it way too far, so funding shriveled up. The same is happening to Hamas, so they need to disavow terrorist tactics and focus on more conventional means for inflicting harm/defending themselves.

One caveat is that if Hamas keeps pouring money into rocket tech, they may have the capacity to launch more accurate missiles in order to hit Israeli government/military sites. That's one possible reason.

[saxitoxin]

Their rocket strategy works almost as well as incomplete economic embargoes that last a few weeks (if even). The problem is that (a) embargoes don't dissuade key political decision-makers because they can live well while the people suffer, and (b) this 'embargo' restricts civilian(?) air traffic, yet the sealanes are open. The economic embargo is already ineffective, and embargoes in general aren't effective (e.g. the US sanctioning Iraq pre-2003 in order to diminish Saddam's control; same goes for Iran).

More importantly, launching missiles at civilian targets really doesn't create good PR nor are such attacks effective in (1) demoralizing the enemy and (2) making the enemy incur costs significant enough for it to stop attacking. However, (3) such attacks may serve well to boost fundraising, but it's doubtful.

For example, recall the US fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo in WW2, or the Germans with their V2 rockets flying into Great Britain. Those governments intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, but since the key decision-makers in victim-governments hardly incur the direct costs (2), the war is resumed.

RE: (3), Hamas has isolated itself by focusing on killing civilians. It just doesn't look good for any country to donate to their cause--even if that country hates Israel. Al-Qaida suffered the same unintended consequence after 9/11. Many of their donors thought that they took it way too far, so funding shriveled up. The same is happening to Hamas, so they need to disavow terrorist tactics and focus on more conventional means for inflicting harm/defending themselves.

One caveat is that if Hamas keeps pouring money into rocket tech, they may have the capacity to launch more accurate missiles in order to hit Israeli government/military sites. That's one possible reason.

Well, regrettably, that's a false narrative (Hamas is targeting civilians) that the Palestinian forces have yet to overcome in the popular press.

Numbers tell a different story, however, and show that the Palestinian forces are going after military targets. In this conflict:

- There have been 29 Israeli fatalities, and 27 of them have been military fatalities (Qassam has successfully targeted legal combatants more than 90% of the time).
- In contrast, there have been about 600 Palestinian fatalities, more than 550 of which were civilian (the IDF hits legal combatants less than 10% of the time).

Further, what U.S. / Israeli press don't mention is that the rockets that have hit Tel Aviv have all been landing in the HaKirya area. Half of HaKirya is home to the IDF's largest military installation. As GabonX has observed, these are homemade rockets without advanced targeting systems. Other rockets have also been landing in areas that are home to major IDF installations (Israel happens to build civilian settlements right next door to military bases). Plus, it's illogical to target civilians if you have limited weapons, like Qassam. You are better to spend your resources on attacking the enemies weapons stores. (In contrast, for the IDF who has unlimited weapons, it makes sense to target Palestinian civilians as their goal is racial extermination so kids and birthing-age women are who you want to take out. A single man can impregnate a large number of women, if necessary, but wombs are a rarer commodity. This guides the IDF strategy off mass civilian death.)

[aad0906]

This is the first time in more than 20 years the airport has been shut-down.

It is open as usual, even though some airlines will avoid it for 24 hours.

[saxitoxin]

Earlier Mets cited the IDF Twitter feed as proof of something or another. I said the IDF cannot be trusted in respect of objective facts. Now, from the highly respected DEBKAfile (an Israeli-based site edited by former IDF soldiers and sailors):

The IDF finally Tuesday, July 22, listed Golani soldier Sgt. Oron Shaul, aged 20, from Poriya Elite, missing after an initial attempt to declare him presumed dead, mainly to head off Hamas extortions. This did not work. It was not accepted by the family without proof, and Hamas was quick to claim the missing soldier was in their hands. This was just one of IDF bids to mold facts for public consumption that went amiss.

http://www.debka.com/article/24120/The- ... is-capture

If the IDF lied to this poor young man's family - one of their own soldiers - to write him off as dead rather than cost Benny a few Knesset votes from the bad publicity of a POW exchange, you seriously think they're not going to lie about Palestinians? LMAO. Anyway, here's hoping SGT Shaul makes it home safely and quickly (as we saw with the case of Gilad Shalit, he will be treated according to the highest possible standards and as a fratre soldier by the men of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades during his incarceration, a fact Shalit even confirmed).

[a6mzero]

Look up metaphor in the dictionary Big Ballinstalin and try to refrain from putting words in peoples mouth. U must be taking after Phatscotty.

[saxitoxin]

A dramatic and very sad turn of events created by the intolerant Zionist machine. The wonderful author, celebrated feminist, and Jewish-American Naomi Wolf (Wolf was an observant Jew who even lived in Quds for 2 years) has just renounced Judaism. She says she attended temple on Friday and, due to the refusal of the congregation to express solidarity with the Palestinian people who are being exterminated, left the synagogue, and then turned in her Jewish membership card.

I stand with the people of Gaza because no one stood with us. I went to synagogue last Friday night and had to leave because I kept waiting for the massacre of Gaza to be addressed. ..nothing. where is god? God is only ever where we stand with our neighbor in trouble and against injustice. I turn in my card of faith as of now because of our overwhelming silence as Jews...I want no other religion than this, that is, seeing rather than denying my neighbor under fire and embracing rather than dismissing those targeted with annihilation and ethnic cleansing.

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.aut ... 0481684476

Obviously, Ms. Wolf's decision would not be celebrated by any obeisant Muslim, no matter how well-intentioned she was in her action, as Islam cherishes the Jewish faith. The Quran says:

Those who believe (Muslims), and those who are Jews, Christians, or Sabians, shall have their reward with the Lord! On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[BigBallinStalin]

Their rocket strategy works almost as well as incomplete economic embargoes that last a few weeks (if even). The problem is that (a) embargoes don't dissuade key political decision-makers because they can live well while the people suffer, and (b) this 'embargo' restricts civilian(?) air traffic, yet the sealanes are open. The economic embargo is already ineffective, and embargoes in general aren't effective (e.g. the US sanctioning Iraq pre-2003 in order to diminish Saddam's control; same goes for Iran).

More importantly, launching missiles at civilian targets really doesn't create good PR nor are such attacks effective in (1) demoralizing the enemy and (2) making the enemy incur costs significant enough for it to stop attacking. However, (3) such attacks may serve well to boost fundraising, but it's doubtful.

For example, recall the US fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo in WW2, or the Germans with their V2 rockets flying into Great Britain. Those governments intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, but since the key decision-makers in victim-governments hardly incur the direct costs (2), the war is resumed.

RE: (3), Hamas has isolated itself by focusing on killing civilians. It just doesn't look good for any country to donate to their cause--even if that country hates Israel. Al-Qaida suffered the same unintended consequence after 9/11. Many of their donors thought that they took it way too far, so funding shriveled up. The same is happening to Hamas, so they need to disavow terrorist tactics and focus on more conventional means for inflicting harm/defending themselves.

One caveat is that if Hamas keeps pouring money into rocket tech, they may have the capacity to launch more accurate missiles in order to hit Israeli government/military sites. That's one possible reason.

Well, regrettably, that's a false narrative (Hamas is targeting civilians) that the Palestinian forces have yet to overcome in the popular press.

Numbers tell a different story, however, and show that the Palestinian forces are going after military targets. In this conflict:

- There have been 29 Israeli fatalities, and 27 of them have been military fatalities (Qassam has successfully targeted legal combatants more than 90% of the time).
- In contrast, there have been about 600 Palestinian fatalities, more than 550 of which were civilian (the IDF hits legal combatants less than 10% of the time).

Further, what U.S. / Israeli press don't mention is that the rockets that have hit Tel Aviv have all been landing in the HaKirya area. Half of HaKirya is home to the IDF's largest military installation. As GabonX has observed, these are homemade rockets without advanced targeting systems. Other rockets have also been landing in areas that are home to major IDF installations (Israel happens to build civilian settlements right next door to military bases). Plus, it's illogical to target civilians if you have limited weapons, like Qassam. You are better to spend your resources on attacking the enemies weapons stores. (In contrast, for the IDF who has unlimited weapons, it makes sense to target Palestinian civilians as their goal is racial extermination so kids and birthing-age women are who you want to take out. A single man can impregnate a large number of women, if necessary, but wombs are a rarer commodity. This guides the IDF strategy off mass civilian death.)

Hold on, sax. I'm a man of science, so only facts (and their sources) will persuade me.

So, what percent of Hamas missiles have targetted and have hit Israeli government sites?

(Also, as a sidenote: the reason why terrorists might not target govt./military buildings is due to the higher costliness of the attack. Many times, it's easier to hit 'softer' targets, like civilian ones. This can explain why it is logical "to target civilians if you have limited weapons."

[Metsfanmax]

Plus, it's illogical to target civilians if you have limited weapons, like Qassam. You are better to spend your resources on attacking the enemies weapons stores. (In contrast, for the IDF who has unlimited weapons, it makes sense to target Palestinian civilians as their goal is racial extermination so kids and birthing-age women are who you want to take out. A single man can impregnate a large number of women, if necessary, but wombs are a rarer commodity. This guides the IDF strategy off mass civilian death.)

You have this narrative backward. It is very unlikely for Hamas to actually defeat Israel in an all-out military conflict, nor to substantially deplete its general military resources. Therefore, attacking its weapons stores is a relative waste. Instead, it would make much more sense for Hamas to attack nonmilitary targets as a way to demoralize the Israelis (and from what I have read, it does have some effect on the citizens). The only chance Hamas has in this conflict is to win diplomatically, not militarily, and so its military actions have to be with a greater strategy in mind.

On the other hand, the major thing Hamas does have to use against Israel seems to be its rockets, so it would be perfectly logical for Israel to just take those out and leave everything else -- there's no reason for them to attack civilians. And if their goal was really racial extermination, then they could do a lot more efficient of a job than they are currently doing.

[Dukasaur]

Lol, the "wonderful" Naomi Wolf.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/10/books/feminism-lite-she-is-woman-hear-her-roar.html

Ms. Wolf's philosophically embroidered reminiscences about former boyfriends -- which try to turn the current craze over memoir-writing into an excuse for pompous moralizing -- suffer, as so much of this book does, from an annoying self-importance and myopia. The AIDS crisis, for instance, appears fleetingly in this book as a development that shook Ms. Wolf's own ''brave-girl, my entitled-girl demeanor,'' a development that ''gave elements in our culture tacit license to regard every sexually active woman as a slut once more.''

The same sort of melodramatic inflation of language and sentiment that undermined Ms. Wolf's earlier books (''The Beauty Myth'' and ''Fire With Fire'') infects this volume as well. Of the danger of earthquakes in her hometown of San Francisco, she writes: ''It gave girls in the Bay Area the license that young women have in wartime: if today is your last day, do you really want to die a virgin?'' And of the dangers (once again) of being thought promiscuous: ''We could die, socially; in terms of our identities as good children, we could die to our families; we could even die literally. We already understood that our own death could be the shadow side of our desire.''

Throughout ''Promiscuities,'' Ms. Wolf combines heavy-breathing Nin-like effusions with the cloying New Age language of self-help groups and the pastel-colored prose employed by those facts-of-life pamphlets that the makers of sanitary napkins used to give to pre-pubescent girls.

Such a profound thinker.

[saxitoxin]

I ❤ ISRAEL! I ❤ ISRAEL! YAAAAY ISRAEL!

yeah, we get it


Anyway, SLATE Magazine has blamed the racist Birthright trip (which I discussed previously) for the death of the two U.S. citizen IDF soldiers, decrying it as a brainwashing program to turn Americans into religious zealot baby killers. The Birthright trip targets socially awkward and mal-adjusted Jews to convert them to the Zionist cult. Like all good cults, Birthright promises drugs and sex to appeal to its potential converts and even concludes with a large orgy for all the socially awkward virgins (seems hypocritical of all holy roller Evangelicals to be gawking over the biblically ordained Israel, which it turns out is actually just a large, government-funded swingers club):

The night in the tent, we'd all heard, would be the sexual apex of the trip. It came right at the halfway point, in a sort of Bedouin-style tent hostel in the Negev desert. The tent was huge—it had to be to accommodate all of us in it together—and we fanned out to plot our sleeping spots for the night. I had heard so much about this night from past participants, it was like watching a prophecy unfold. We slugged cheap vodka around a bonfire while a 20-year-old Israeli played the acoustic guitar and sang the wrong words to a Jason Mraz song. The air was crackling with sexual tension. The whole thing eventually came to a boil in a curly-haired cauldron of writhing hanky panky. Everyone around me seemed to be getting fingered. I had downed just enough Nyquil and vodka slurpees to keep the noises to a foggy din and wake up my worst self the next morning.

Here's a great lecture hosted at Tufts University during Anti-Israel Week in which Blumenthal explains how Birthright program works in detail.

It also turns out the lead APC in the Gaza invasion - which moved down a road that had been prepared for an ambush by the Resistance - was intentionally filled with IDF soldiers of American birth. Benny's goal, apparently - make sure the first wave of casualties included Americans for the sympathetic headlines it would garner.



The professional Chilean football team C.d.P. has replaced all the "1s" on their jerseys with a map of Palestine that doesn't show the existence of Israel; only a unified Palestinian state from the river to the sea. Members of the club have also had the Palestinian flag tatooed on their arms in solidarity with the Gazan people!

[saxitoxin]

Dov Lior Issues Halakah (equivalent of Fatwah) Calling for Extermination of all non-Jews in Gaza

Senior national religious leader and Chief Municipal Rabbi of Kiryat Arba and Hebron Rabbi Dov Lior published a letter this week saying that according to Jewish law it would be permitted to destroy the entire Gaza strip to bring peace to southern Israel.

Lior said that he had received questions about whether it is permitted according to Jewish law to harm a civilian population not directly involved with the combatants.

Addressing the current hostilities with Hamas, the rabbi continued “In the case of Gaza, it would be permitted for the Minister of Defense to even order the destruction of all of Gaza so that the south will no longer suffer and to prevent injury to our people who have been suffering for so long from the enemies surrounding us.”

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... ael-368605

Lior is also a member of the Council of Rabbis and has previously issued halakahs ordering non-Jewish women to avoid Christian sperm if seeking artificial insemination as they will have "barbarian children." He has called Barack Obama a "kushi" (Hebrew "N" word) and in 2011 he wrote the foreword to the book King's Torah, that called for Jews to behead non-Jewish babies with ceremonial swords to keep the Gentile population low. He has also called for POW's captured by Israel to be used for medical experimentation and live vivisection. (This would presumably have included U.S. Navy sailors who survived the Israeli attack on USS Liberty, had any been taken alive.) He called Baruch Goldstein (Israeli gunman who massacred 29 Palestinians in a mass shooting) as "holier than the martyrs of the Holocaust."

Just another day in the Middle East's only democracy. Remember, these are the people the bible thumpers like GabonX, Dukasaur, Zero, and Mets support.

[a6mzero]

And u support people who gun down a groom and his wedding party because they were singing and dancing. Yes that would be Hamas.