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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby tzor on Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:12 am

LYR wrote:By the way guys, don't take me 100% on this, but I've heard many people tell me that the New York Times is heavily biased against Israel. If I had the proof to back it up, I would, but I don't, sorry.


Well I can't argue for or against your point either. I know that the times has been exceptionally sloppy of late. I generally don't like the Times and I wouldn't be surprised to find a number of biases which has no business in true journalism but alas who ever said newspapers were true journalism?
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:28 am

LYR wrote:The Israeli's are tough. If they didn't do what they needed to do, they wouldn't be able to survive.

By the way guys, don't take me 100% on this, but I've heard many people tell me that the New York Times is heavily biased against Israel. If I had the proof to back it up, I would, but I don't, sorry. (However, one instance comes to my mind when a friend mentioned in class that the New York Times published an article that showed Israeli soldier brutality for shooting at children throwing rocks (showing three pictures (not in order, which is important, but I can't remember the order), one being children throwing rocks, the other showing a badly beaten boy, and the other showing and Israeli soldier with a gun) and saying that the Israeli soldier was shooting at the children. In reality, the boy just happened to look more Islamic, even though he was an Israeli, and he was hurt from the children throwing rocks. The soldier actually helped the boy. When the New York Times was told of this, they published a tiny little article correcting this mistake in one of the nothing pages.)

If it were not for the fact that HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of Palestinien children have been injured and killed in precisely those circumstances, and that we only hear (in the regular media) about 1/100 of those incidents, but hear a large percentage of the cases where Israelis are injured ... you might have a case.

BUT, one thing MUST be clarified. Opposition to acts of Israel or even the establishement of the POLITICAL entity known as Israel does not in any way, shape or form mean one is "anit Jewish". The REAL truth is that the Balfore declaration upon which Israel's establishment was based, was not a vlid legal document by international standards. The SECOND historical reality is that Israel probably would not have existed if it were not for the collective guilt associated with the Holocaust ... and a desire for so many to see Jews "elsewhere" .. .i.e. antisemitism (rather ironic) was the biggest reason Israel today exists.

FURTHER, as per the "anti-US bias" put forward ... study history. If it were not for the US continually taking the Isreali side, Israel would not exist.

We, in the US get criticized (rightfully) for our depredation and discrimination of Native Americans. Yet anyone suggesting that Israel has acted in any way incorrectly in ceasing thousands and thousands of Arab homes, orchards and grazing lands .... is supposed to somehow be "anti JEWISH". THAT is one of the supreme ironies I will never understand.

Human Rights Watch, other independen organizations have cited example after example of Iraeli courts refusing to recognize ANY deed presented by Palestinians ... never mind that , in many cases, that same familiy lived there for over a thousand years. The Isrealis have continued to put up settlements in areas that were supposed to be disputed. At the time Israel was established, the percentage of Jews within the territory considered Israel was just over 50% AFTER intense immigration. The percentage of arabs in the Palestinien areas over 90%. Teh Israelis have continued to allow immigration as a means of taking claim to land. By contrast, any Palestinien who leaves the territory ... for education or any reason is rarely allowed back in. My friend's brother was NOT allowed back legally for his father's burial. He had to sneak in. To renew a Visa, you have to physically return ... and that reentry, especially for young males, is routinely denied.

THOSE are NOT the acts of a faithful Jew or Jewish nation.

Irael is not going to disappear, any more than the US .. nor do I think they should. BUT,unless Irael starts acting in a more humane manner toward the Palestiniens, they WILL continue to be at war . .. and find that public opinion is no longer quite as supportive as it was.
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby Ntetos on Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:57 pm

Actually it was decided that Israel would be created before even the Nazis were in power.
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby LYR on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:19 pm

#1: Towards PLAYER: Balfour Declaration, not Balfore.

#2: The U.S. was not always on Israel's side. Read Six Days of War (the first hundred pages will do), and you'll see.

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Ntetos wrote:Actually it was decided that Israel would be created before even the Nazis were in power.


If you could somehow support this, please do. Lets see.............

a: U.S. - LOTS of anti-semitism in in the U.S. in the 30s-50s.

b: England - They published a white paper SEVERELY restricting Jewish immigration to Israel/ Palestine from 1939-1945 (ironic, I know.......) because of pressure from Arabs.

c: France - Not so sure about this one, but as far as I know, there was always alot of anti-semitism in France.

d: Italy - Not so sure about this one either, but seeing as they were part of the Axis, if they had attempted to support a Jewish state (which I highly doubt would have happened), I'm sure Germany would have dissuaded them form doing that.

e: Soviet Union - HMMMMMMMMMMMMM. WELL, there has ALWAYS been anti-semitism in Russia, but I think they voted for Israel in 1948. However, In the 1960s (most particularly the Six Day War), They provided Syria and Egypt with ammunition, explosives, etc. etc. So I guess we can say that before the Nazis took power, the Soviet Union was pro-Jewish state, although I'm not that sure.

f: Germany - ........................
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby Ntetos on Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:24 am

I can't remember where I read it but it seems that Wikipedia agrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isreal
The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby kalmatos on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:03 am

religion always hides all of the truth which it deem unfit for its followers to hear
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Re: Whats so good about religion?

Postby LYR on Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:26 pm

Ntetos wrote:I can't remember where I read it but it seems that Wikipedia agrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isreal
The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.


It did, but Britain crushed it with the white paper, as I have said before.
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