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Postby Neutrino on Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:37 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:I wouldn't exactly call a cow, pig, or a chicken sentient. The pig would probably the closest, but I would not call farm animals sentient.

As for the fetus, what else will it be other then a baby? Unless of course, you decide to kill it.

Also, cows are raised for people to eat, they have been for thousands of years. Except for the Hindus and possibly the Native Americans, people and cultures world wide have breed cattle for this, also, for their milk. And comparing a cow to a human just doesn't cut it for those of us that do not consider livestock to be sentient species.


I think you quite successfully missed the point here.
An unborn fetus canot be considered sentient. Neither can a cow. Why is it right to kill and eat one en masse yet a horrible crime to kill the other?
The length of time that cows have been used as livestock is also completely superflous. time and/or numbers does not make something right.

It has always confused me why anti-abortionists are so concerned about bringing new life into the world and doing nothing to help that which is already established. Yay, you made abortion illigal, but for all the time and effort you spent achieving that, X million Africans died of curable diseases. Meanwhile, the western world, is hit by a huge influx of teenage mothers with babys they have no idea how to take care of and abortions are relegated to back-alley affairs and deaths among mothers and babys skyrocket.
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Postby Nobunaga on Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:45 pm

... This was a Hillary thread... looking for the connection.

... Abortion is a non-issue. It's quite uninformed to think any president, of any party, could overturn (through Supreme Court nominations and appointments) Roe v Wade.

... Personally, I am against abortion... but I've never been pregnant, so ...

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Postby radiojake on Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:31 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:I wouldn't exactly call a cow, pig, or a chicken sentient. The pig would probably the closest, but I would not call farm animals sentient.



Wow, how extremely arrogant. How on earth can you not consider any animal with living, breathing and very real instincts and thoughts not sentient?

My case and point. Human's are fucked because we have people who think like this guy, and I'm sure there's more of you too.
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