Israel

[saxitoxin]

Archbishop Alexios of Tiberias vowed to remain at the church until the bitter end and refused to leave in the face of the onslaught, promising be martyred before abandoning his station.

“As long as there is at least one Christian in the territory of Gaza, I will not go anywhere, because I can be a hope for them, so I will stay in the province that believes in me. If I die, I will have a dignified death as my destiny!” the Archbishop said, reports the Orthodoxia News Agency.

“This is our homeland,” His Eminence earlier said in comments to the charitable fund the Holy Order of St. George. “We will not abandon it. Our fate is with Christ, and we accept whatever outcome He allows, whether we live or die… It is Christ Who sustains us!”

https://orthochristian.com/156751.html

[HitRed]

Gaza Order of Battle
Lots of details. Worth the watch. You can skip the advertising upfront.

[Pack Rat]

Archbishop Alexios of Tiberias vowed to remain at the church until the bitter end and refused to leave in the face of the onslaught, promising be martyred before abandoning his station.

“As long as there is at least one Christian in the territory of Gaza, I will not go anywhere, because I can be a hope for them, so I will stay in the province that believes in me. If I die, I will have a dignified death as my destiny!” the Archbishop said, reports the Orthodoxia News Agency.

“This is our homeland,” His Eminence earlier said in comments to the charitable fund the Holy Order of St. George. “We will not abandon it. Our fate is with Christ, and we accept whatever outcome He allows, whether we live or die… It is Christ Who sustains us!”

https://orthochristian.com/156751.html

Did you show the same compassion for hospitals, schools, nurseries, apartment buildings and homes in Ukraine that were intentionally hit with artillery, missiles and tanks from the fascist government of Russia?

[saxitoxin]

Archbishop Alexios of Tiberias vowed to remain at the church until the bitter end and refused to leave in the face of the onslaught, promising be martyred before abandoning his station.

“As long as there is at least one Christian in the territory of Gaza, I will not go anywhere, because I can be a hope for them, so I will stay in the province that believes in me. If I die, I will have a dignified death as my destiny!” the Archbishop said, reports the Orthodoxia News Agency.

“This is our homeland,” His Eminence earlier said in comments to the charitable fund the Holy Order of St. George. “We will not abandon it. Our fate is with Christ, and we accept whatever outcome He allows, whether we live or die… It is Christ Who sustains us!”

https://orthochristian.com/156751.html

Did you show the same compassion for hospitals, schools, nurseries, apartment buildings and homes in Ukraine that were intentionally hit with artillery, missiles and tanks from the fascist government of Russia?

nope

[saxitoxin]

This is the difference between a military operation and a genocide.

If Russia had, proportionally (adjusted for time and population), killed as many noncombatants in Ukraine as Israel has killed in Gaza, there would be 2,700,000 dead Ukrainian noncombatants instead of 9,701.

Noncombatant deaths in Ukraine (pop. 20,000,000) in a 100-week period:
9,701
[https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/09/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-24-september-2023]

Noncombatant deaths in Gaza (pop. 2,000,000) in a 3-week period:
4,651
[https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/22/Gaza-health-ministry-4-651-Palestinians-killed-in-Israeli-strikes-since-October-7]

[Dukasaur]

Incredibly perverse how terrorist organizations like Hamas hide their military facilities in the middle of civilian zones and then try to make the other guy look bad when he ends up killing a few civilians while striking at the enemy's military power.

[Votanic]

Incredibly perverse how terrorist organizations like Hamas hide their military facilities in the middle of civilian zones and then try to make the other guy look bad when he ends up killing a few civilians while striking at the enemy's military power.

If only Gaza's urban zoning had been properly divided into residential, retail, industial, and 'terroristrial' (?) sectors, none of this would have happened. Of course, such zoning does require additional land resources. Therefore Gaza must make plan and take action now to insure necessary expansion into neighboring lands areas for future development.

Of course, on the other hand, having the bad terrorists, good church-going folk, and others, such as children (the terrorist/church-goers of tomorrow) all together, in close proximity, does help to break down the long-held, but ultimately false dichotomy beween necessary military targets and 'oh-so-innocent' civilian targets.

[Lonous]

You can find a growing number of Jewish groups siding with and supporting the Palestinians.
They demand an end to the apartheid in Israel, and Netayahu's Gestapo tactics.



There are no such groups in the reverse, Palestinians in support of being racially oppressed by Israel.

[saxitoxin]

Incredibly perverse how terrorist organizations like Hamas hide their military facilities in the middle of civilian zones and then try to make the other guy look bad when he ends up killing a few civilians while striking at the enemy's military power.

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The British government confirmed Tuesday that it had placed missile batteries at six sites around London in advance of the upcoming Summer Olympics, including atop two apartment buildings where residents had previously expressed reservations about hosting the anti-aircraft weapons.

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/uk-place ... d=16704551

[bigtoughralf]

to make the other guy look bad when he ends up killing a few civilians

If by 'a few' you mean 'more than 4,000 plus the 2.4 million being deprived of food, water and fuel'.

[Votanic]

I have a dream* that one day on the beige hills of 'Pal-rael'**, the sons (daughters, other & non gendered) of all the world's stupid religions and ethnicities
will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood (sisterhood, otherhood, etc.)... and, uh,... do stuff together, or something.

* AKA: delusion, fantasy, marketing campaign, etc. (the exact terminology may vary)
** Remember 'The rael is your pal'.

[Lonous]

[Votanic]

Okay, so Polanski has a back-up plan if France (Switzerland, Poland, etc) ever throw him to the American wolves.

[HitRed]

October 22, 23 Adoration

The Good Shepherd

Take my hand and enter deeper into my heart from where all mercy flows. I come to lead the way to my Father’s house. Come follow the Good Shepherd home to where peace and joy reign forevermore. Come take my hand and walk with the Lord your God. I come with all glory and honor from on high. Follow and come after me. Follow in the path of truth. Seek me.

[Dukasaur]

to make the other guy look bad when he ends up killing a few civilians

If by 'a few' you mean 'more than 4,000 plus the 2.4 million being deprived of food, water and fuel'.

So you're telling me 4,000 people have already died as a result of the Hamas cowards hiding behind innocent civilians?

[Votanic]

Ugh, I just went through a wretched hell of a row, over on GC, and now I'm totally fried.
So can we drop all this Israel-Hamas bickering for awhile and just chat about something pleasant.
Anyone seen any pretty butterflies lately?

[Pack Rat]

Homo

[saxitoxin]

Gaza: 1 out of every 400 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in the last two weeks.
"The IDF is extremely careful to avoid noncombatant casualties and very sad when - despite their best efforts - they happen. This is how a civilized nation goes to war."

Ukraine: 1 out of every 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed by the RF in the last two years.
"The Russians are marauding war criminals! BARBARIANS!"

[Votanic]

Gaza: 1 out of every 400 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in the last two weeks.
"The IDF is extremely careful to avoid noncombatant casualties and very sad when - despite their best efforts - they happen. This is how a civilized nation goes to war."

Ukraine: 1 out of every 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed by the RF in the last two years.
"The Russians are marauding war criminals! BARBARIANS!"

FINE. Then let's chat about WAR.
Conventional warfare is just endless tipped-over teacups.
Go nuke or go home.

[saxitoxin]

Gaza: 1 out of every 400 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in the last two weeks.
"The IDF is extremely careful to avoid noncombatant casualties and very sad when - despite their best efforts - they happen. This is how a civilized nation goes to war."

Ukraine: 1 out of every 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed by the RF in the last two years.
"The Russians are marauding war criminals! BARBARIANS!"

FINE. Then let's chat about WAR.
Conventional warfare is just endless tipped-over teacups.
Go nuke or go home.

"Nuclear weapons have had a major restraining effect on international conflict. The slow proliferation of nuclear weapons may have had a stabilizing influence." - Kenneth Waltz

[Votanic]

Gaza: 1 out of every 400 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in the last two weeks.
"The IDF is extremely careful to avoid noncombatant casualties and very sad when - despite their best efforts - they happen. This is how a civilized nation goes to war."

Ukraine: 1 out of every 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed by the RF in the last two years.
"The Russians are marauding war criminals! BARBARIANS!"

FINE. Then let's chat about WAR.
Conventional warfare is just endless tipped-over teacups.
Go nuke or go home.

"Nuclear weapons have had a major restraining effect on international conflict. The slow proliferation of nuclear weapons may have had a stabilizing influence." - Kenneth Waltz

The next time Putin, Kim, Iran, or whichever entity you consider to be the U.S. Prez threatens you with nuclear war if you don't behave, just shout back, "I double dare you, ya big pansy" and flip 'em the bird. They so need to have their bluff called.

Wouldn't it be funny if we all found out Russia's old missiles are too dilapidated to even get off the ground or out of the sub.

...and if they do work, big deal. You didn't think you were going to live forever, did you?

[Dukasaur]

Gaza: 1 out of every 400 Palestinians have been killed by the IDF in the last two weeks.
"The IDF is extremely careful to avoid noncombatant casualties and very sad when - despite their best efforts - they happen. This is how a civilized nation goes to war."

Ukraine: 1 out of every 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed by the RF in the last two years.
"The Russians are marauding war criminals! BARBARIANS!"

Hamas is hiding amongst a civilian mass with a density of 15,000 people per square mile. Just like London, England. And within that population, they are carefully concealed and completely decentralized. Just imagine if you were given the task of bombing all the bartenders in London, without accidentally harming any of their patrons. As close to impossible as can be.

The Ukrainian forces are fighting in areas that have largely been evacuated. When the Russians bomb civilian targets in Chaplyne or wherever, they are hitting buildings fifty from the nearest combatants. It's entirely a premeditated act of terror.

[bigtoughralf]

Just imagine if you were given the task of bombing all the bartenders in London, without accidentally harming any of their patrons.

Funnily enough the Met police don't solve all their problems with indiscriminate carpet bombing.

When the Russians bomb civilian targets in Chaplyne or wherever, they are hitting buildings fifty from the nearest combatants. It's entirely a premeditated act of terror.

Whereas when the Israeli government ordered a 'complete siege' of the entire population in Gaza - aka 'a premeditated war crime against civilians' - that's okay?

[saxitoxin]

Just imagine if you were given the task of bombing all the bartenders in London, without accidentally harming any of their patrons.

Funnily enough the Met police don't solve all their problems with indiscriminate carpet bombing.

Urinate in public: get an ASBO.

Do it again: all your neighbors are incinerated with white phosphorous.