BREXIT

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm enjoying the collaspe of the UK political system. Considering joining the labour party so I can keep voting for leader candidates that the MP's hate, just to continue to highlight this disparity between politicians and the people. Its crazy.

[Keefie]

I'm enjoying the collaspe of the UK political system. Considering joining the labour party so I can keep voting for leader candidates that the MP's hate, just to continue to highlight this disparity between politicians and the people. Its crazy.

If the people had their chance Corbyn would be smashed out of site. This is a far left attempt at a takeover which if not stopped will result in the break up of Labour as we know it.

[mrswdk]

Good stuff. Labour are a relic and the longer they stay in unelectable disarray, the better ^0^

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm enjoying the collaspe of the UK political system. Considering joining the labour party so I can keep voting for leader candidates that the MP's hate, just to continue to highlight this disparity between politicians and the people. Its crazy.

If the people had their chance Corbyn would be smashed out of site. This is a far left attempt at a takeover which if not stopped will result in the break up of Labour as we know it.

Good. The last thing we need is the stagnant mess which is uk politics.

And I think you are wrong, a lot of people support Corbyn.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Hollande calls for Britain to hurry up.

Firstly, this has bugger all to do with Hollande, it is a matter for the UK to decide. And Secondly, one of the biggest reasons for hate of the EU is slow paced beaurocracy, so now we can add hypocrisy to the list.

[waauw]

Hollande calls for Britain to hurry up.

Firstly, this has bugger all to do with Hollande, it is a matter for the UK to decide. And Secondly, one of the biggest reasons for hate of the EU is slow paced beaurocracy, so now we can add hypocrisy to the list.

How does it have nothing to do with Hollande? If the UK wishes to leave the EU, it's the business of every EU member. And the problem is that the UK won't even start up the process.

[mrswdk]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

[waauw]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

Nothing.

Doesnt seem that bad a position to me.

[mrswdk]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

Nothing.

Doesnt seem that bad a position to me.

Correction:

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

The UK leaves the EU and every single one of its EU-related agreements, gets put on third party WTO terms, almost certainly takes a huge export hit from its loss of easy access to the European market, and has to start all over again from scratch now negotiating from an even weaker position.

[mrswdk]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

There will be no formal negotiations, but the different parties involved can sniff each other out by delivering speeches about what they want and seeing what reaction they get from the other side (which they are already doing).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

Nothing.

Doesnt seem that bad a position to me.

Correction:

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

The UK leaves the EU and every single one of its EU-related agreements, gets put on third party WTO terms, almost certainly takes a huge export hit from its loss of easy access to the European market, and has to start all over again from scratch now negotiating from an even weaker position.

You mean the EU collaspses as it loses all contribution from the UK, and the EU countries have to start negotiating with the UK from an even weaker position.

Thats the reality.

[waauw]

Article 50 is retarded. As soon as it's used, the UK would have two years to agree to a deal with the EU or be totally screwed. That's a horrible bargaining position to be in. Obviously UK is not gonna use it straight away.

I'm guessing that's the point. Hence why there will be no negotiations until the article has been invoked.

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

Nothing.

Doesnt seem that bad a position to me.

Correction:

And at the end of two years what happens if no agreement is reached?

The UK leaves the EU and every single one of its EU-related agreements, gets put on third party WTO terms, almost certainly takes a huge export hit from its loss of easy access to the European market, and has to start all over again from scratch now negotiating from an even weaker position.

You mean the EU collaspses as it loses all contribution from the UK, and the EU countries have to start negotiating with the UK from an even weaker position.

Thats the reality.

Another posibility is the collapse of the UK and a weakening of the British position. Hail Scottish independence and Irish re-unification.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Another posibility is the collapse of the UK and a weakening of the British position. Hail Scottish independence and Irish re-unification.

And? Both Scotland and Ireland take more from England than they give back. Scotland and/or Irish independence is an economic gain for England and might do a fair bit to make everyone happier neighbours. Good on em, Irish re-unification should have happened ages ago, and Scotland is strong enough to stand on their own.

There is one thing Europe wants, and thats access to London.

[waauw]

Another posibility is the collapse of the UK and a weakening of the British position. Hail Scottish independence and Irish re-unification.

And? Both Scotland and Ireland take more from England than they give back. Scotland and/or Irish independence is an economic gain for England and might do a fair bit to make everyone happier neighbours. Good on em, Irish re-unification should have happened ages ago, and Scotland is strong enough to stand on their own.

There is one thing Europe wants, and thats access to London.

You mean as long as the big banks remain there? Some of those banks have already threatened to move away.

Brexit Boon Seen for European Cities Poaching From London

Thousands of jobs at London’s largest financial institutions are at risk of leaving the country after the U.K. voted to exit the European Union. The cities most likely to reap the benefits include Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin.

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Paris is already a major hub for London-based HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe’s biggest bank. Frankfurt is Europe’s second-largest financial center, with a pool of talent to match. Dublin offers exiled bankers the English language and a similar legal system, and Amsterdam and Luxembourg are two more contenders a short flight away. They’re all keen for the jobs.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-27/brexit-boon-seen-for-european-cities-poaching-london-bankers

[Conchobar]

As someone who is mostly Irish and Scots, I can firmly state that most of the people there are borderline MAD. The historical reasons for the anger are, as always, complex.

The historical reasons are not in fact historical, they are in fact false.

Ireland was not left to fend for itself by the english during the famine. Somewhat misguidedly, england sent loads of grain, they just didnt know what to do with it. The irish gentry, left their people and went to england for the duration.

Yup, the Irish have a deepseated hatred of the english, because of the irish.

You are American, you have no idea.

What complete bullshit. During the famine years the Irish tenant farmers produced a surplus of food but it was EXPORTED by the landowners for profit while people starved. Fact.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As someone who is mostly Irish and Scots, I can firmly state that most of the people there are borderline MAD. The historical reasons for the anger are, as always, complex.

The historical reasons are not in fact historical, they are in fact false.

Ireland was not left to fend for itself by the english during the famine. Somewhat misguidedly, england sent loads of grain, they just didnt know what to do with it. The irish gentry, left their people and went to england for the duration.

Yup, the Irish have a deepseated hatred of the english, because of the irish.

You are American, you have no idea.

What complete bullshit. During the famine years the Irish tenant farmers produced a surplus of food but it was EXPORTED by the landowners for profit while people starved. Fact.

And what nationality were the landowners? Irish.

[mrswdk]

Don't waste your breath, Conch. Ginkapo studied most of his history at the Oliver Cromwell School of English Awesomeness.

Next up he'll be telling you about how the Black and Tans were just good guys doing a tough job in difficult circumstances.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Don't waste your breath, Conch. Ginkapo studied most of his history at the Oliver Cromwell School of English Awesomeness.

Next up he'll be telling you about how the Black and Tans were just good guys doing a tough job in difficult circumstances.

Come tell us how you slew,
Them ol' Arabs two by two
Like the Zulus they had
Knives and bows and arrows
Of how bravely you faced one,
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened all the natives
To the marrow

[waauw]

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[riskllama]

ha, not bad...

[mrswdk]

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But I like living outside the oppression of a police state!
France: erm...

Hooray for freedom. Hooray for England!

[riskllama]

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But I like living outside the oppression of a police state!
China: erm...

Hooray for freedom. Hooray for England!

fixed that for ya, mrs...

[mrswdk]

You LIE!!

But srsly, everyone knows France is worst European country outside of Greece. Love life, love northern Europe.

UK, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden. The holy trinity.